Animal Cruelty

• Manhattan Buckeye

  "And for 30ish years, I have never heard of a dog, cat, cow, horse, chicken, or any other animal that we had that froze to death because they were outside."
  
  Because they live in barns or coops - did you actually keep your livestock outside?
• LJ

  

  mcburg93;1590295 wrote:You can be lulled into a sense of security with your dogs and that is fine. That movie I am talking about had rottweilers, pitt bulls, dobermans, and German shepards barking their heads off and the robbers just walked on in through a window or an unlocked door. The one house they had trouble with that had dogs was a house with poodles. They did not bark but once the robbers were in the house the dogs would not allow them upstairs. They moved around freely downstairs but when they tried to go upstairs the dogs would go after them. It is a good watch and you can be fooled by how mean you think your dog is while you are gone

  Full size Standard Poodles? Those are widely regarded as the best guard dogs there are. Very territorial
• se-alum

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590245 wrote:"I just find it ridiculous that sheriff department detective was investigating this incident, when they are plenty of unsolved burglaries, and other crimes against humans"
  
  This is a friendly suggestion: think about the type of person that would do that to a dog, and how likely they are committing crimes against humans.

  I've put several pets down, and I'm not a threat to commit a crime against a human.
• se-alum

  

  OSH;1590293 wrote:I'm not in southeastern Ohio anymore and I still don't see a problem with it. And, it happens all over the country, not just southeastern Ohio.
  
  Dogs are made for living outside. I forgot that dogs are domesticated and need a 3-bedroom 1.5-bath house with air conditioning and heating. Better make sure they are eating gluten-free and Paleo too. If anything it can be considered cruelty to keep dogs out of their natural habitat. Why should they be cooped up in a house on the couch when they could be outside running around like they are supposed to be? At least our dogs were able to run free wherever and whenever they wanted to. And for 30ish years, I have never heard of a dog, cat, cow, horse, chicken, or any other animal that we had that froze to death because they were outside. We've only had one issue in losing any animals to the weather and that was a couple cows stood under a tree that got struck by lightning (and boy did that smell for days) -- they also had access to a barn, but went to the tree...crazy how that works, doing what they do even with the luxury of a barn.
  
  Like I said, as long as the dogs have an "escape" outside, it's not cruel. If they have a dog house with some straw/hay, they'll be fine. If they have access to-from a barn, they'll be fine. As long as they can get out of the elements, they are doing what they've done for thousands of years.

  I wonder how those Alaskan sled dogs are able to spend all year outside in those Alaskan winters?
  
  Also, it's laughable to think a dog is going to keep someone out of your house if they really want in.
• Crimson streak

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590299 wrote:Again, the dog isn't trained to attack. It would bother us if he would and expose us to liability. But he goes absolutely nuts if anyone knocks on the door or even approaches the house - that is what he is trained to do. And we're pretty damned sure he does it when we're gone, because he does it when we come to the house - and he sleeps in the same bed with us.
  
  Based on this thread there is more evidence of ignorant and improper dog owners from SE Ohio - that isn't us. It takes a lot of work, dedication and effort to train a dog properly. You don't just put them outside during an Ohio winter with a "wall" to shelter them. It takes months to train them.

  Your dog is a ***** stfu. No dog is going to keep anyone out of your house.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Crimson streak;1590316 wrote:Your dog is a ***** stfu. No dog is going to keep anyone out of your house.

  No one has ever broken in, and we lived in meth-ville USA back in SouthEast.
  
  And if you don't shelter your dogs properly - a garage or barn is ok, you don't deserve to be a dog owner. And this is probably the most rednecky thread I've posted on in months.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  se-alum;1590306 wrote:I've put several pets down, and I'm not a threat to commit a crime against a human.

  Did you just leave the dog out in the open - Jesus you just hijacked your own thread.
• OSH

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590299 wrote:It takes a lot of work, dedication and effort to train a dog properly. You don't just put them outside during an Ohio winter with a "wall" to shelter them. It takes months to train them.

  Crazy, it's amazing that dogs have been around for years and years without humans "training" them. It's also crazy to think that there are animals all over the world that live without indoor plumbing too!
  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590301 wrote:"And for 30ish years, I have never heard of a dog, cat, cow, horse, chicken, or any other animal that we had that froze to death because they were outside."
  
  Because they live in barns or coops - did you actually keep your livestock outside?

  I didn't know cows and chickens were born in a barn from their origin! That's nuts!
  
  The cows were able to go in a bard, at times. They were also outside and properly fed. They are animals. Animals do exist outside.
  
  I couldn't imagine how many barns, coops, houses, shacks, or huts must exist to properly ensure that no animals in the world are treated cruelly by allowing them to live in their natural habitats. Oh, the humanity and redneckery.
  
  
  All that said, we NEVER kept an animal chained up forever. That, I would agree, is cruelty. It pains me to see animals chained up with trenches dug around due to their only allowed movement.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  The bard is William Shakespeare, the barn is where I grew up.
  
  And I realize it is SouthEast Ohio culture to tie or fence your dog off outside, that doesn't make that culture correct. I've spent too much time defending it to not react negatively when people think it is normal to mistreat animals. It isn't.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Crazy, it's amazing that dogs have been around for years and years without humans "training" them."
  
  Because they are wild, and called wolves. The domesticated ones that you want around your children - they are dogs that need training, because they are fast (again they have four legs - you have two), and have strong jaws, and very sharp teeth.
• Mohican00

  

  dlazz;1590286 wrote:Someone doesn't know how to quote.
  
  LOL what a noob

  something about being on a phone or some shit
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Mohican00;1590370 wrote:something about being on a phone or some shit

  Shut up Mohican, we're talking about a problem with SE Ohio and mistreatment of animals. To the extent a freaking former mod actually started a thread about it - and is too stupid to realize he's on the wrong side of the argument.
• Mohican00

  

  works now
• GoChiefs

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590374 wrote:Shut up Mohican, we're talking about a problem with SE Ohio and mistreatment of animals. To the extent a freaking former mod actually started a thread about it - and is too stupid to realize he's on the wrong side of the argument.

  You're an idiot if you think this is an issue in just SE Ohio.
• GoChiefs

  

  Mohican00;1590383 wrote:works now

  LOL
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Indeed, I'm on my fast one, that is why I am very quick on questioning why redneck people are trying to explain their behavior about shooting dogs? Or defending people that leave dogs that they've shot at the "whatever place it is".
• Manhattan Buckeye

  GoChiefs;1590385 wrote:You're an idiot if you think this is an issue in just SE Ohio.

  It isn't, it is just the one I defend. I agree this happens in West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and some parts of southwest Virginia. But for my township and county, there isn't any animal abuse tolerated, and I'll come back from England to make sure it doesn't happen.
• GoChiefs

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590391 wrote:It isn't, it is just the one I defend. I agree this happens in West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and some parts of southwest Virginia. But for my township and county, there isn't any animal abuse tolerated, and I'll come back from England to make sure it doesn't happen.

  It happens everywhere. LMAO.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  It is a laughing matter?
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590374 wrote:Shut up Mohican, we're talking about a problem with SE Ohio and mistreatment of animals. To the extent a freaking former mod actually started a thread about it - and is too stupid to realize he's on the wrong side of the argument.

  You went on a tangent about Shakespeare because of OSH writing "bard" instead of "barn" on a message board and yet you get in a hissy about people making fun of you because of the way you quote other posts! LOL. It should not be that hard to figure out. If you would act less like a total d00cher to other posters you probably would not harassed so much.
  
  Now please carry on about the dogs because it is the kind of entertainment I come here for to see how someone who is so flippant about the suffering of human beings get so up in arms about Dogs spending time outside in Ohio!
• GoChiefs

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590396 wrote:It is a laughing matter?

  The laughing matter is the fact that you are so naive that you think it only happens in SE Ohio, West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and some parts of southwest Virginia.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Because dogs deserve respect. If that makes me MB'd, that makes me MB'd. Not apologizing for that.
• OSH

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590365 wrote:And I realize it is SouthEast Ohio culture to tie or fence your dog off outside, that doesn't make that culture correct. I've spent too much time defending it to not react negatively when people think it is normal to mistreat animals. It isn't.

  Two things here:
  
  1) It isn't just southeastern Ohio, West Virginia, or eastern Kentucky.
  2) You haven't defended it with anything but:
  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590290 wrote:Because it can get cold, and it is cruel. Dogs can live in the wild but they do so in packs. You chain or cage them and it is a different story and unfortunately it happens often in SE Ohio.
  
  Jesus, just when I think Ohio isn't that backwoods or rednecky, I read this and I understand why my wife hates it. I really grew up in the armpit of America with you rubes.

  "Because it can get cold" and "it is cruel" is not defending it. That's your opinion that it is cruel. You haven't said anything about what someone should do. How do you ensure that dogs are not kept outside? Why is it cruel?
  
  There are all kinds of animals that live outside. They are made that way, that is the beauty behind the different species in how they adapt and survive. Dogs have fur, they'll be fine. They also have a keen sense in finding shelter, which they do -- and it also can be provided. One could argue that training, caging, selective breeding, and domesticating wild animals is inhumane.
• LJ

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1590391 wrote:It isn't, it is just the one I defend. I agree this happens in West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and some parts of southwest Virginia. But for my township and county, there isn't any animal abuse tolerated, and I'll come back from England to make sure it doesn't happen.

  Oh shut the fuck up.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  OSH, they don't live "outside" without shelter. If you can't provide a good home, you shouldn't provide dog ownership.