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• gut

  Killing Eli would be an amazing shocker. Last time he sent Eli to prison. I could see him cutting Eli off, but Nucky really does seem to value family now. But I think Knox may be getting a visit from Richard Harrow.
  
  Chalky may be a goner, too. Although maybe Nucky tries to turn Knox, offering up Narcisse and Masseria and a major heroine bust to advance Knox's career. I think they need to wrap-up a few more story lines so next season can focus more on Capone.
  
  LOL - forget Nucky is a major scumbag?!? Like 4 shows ago he "set-up" that kid to take a murder rap for his nephew.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Not a great last episode.
  
  I feel they set up next season to be all about Capone and Chicago...which would be great.
  
  So was richard Harrow dead/dying? I mean he can't just sit there overnight after being shot; he'd bleed out, right? No idea what is going to happen with that.
  
  Really wish he would have just taken the shot and killed Narcisse. that little extra hesitation ruined everything.
• Pick6

  

  Wasn't as action packed of an episode I thought it would be for a season finale, but I think it set up a lot for next season. Saves them from having to create a storyline out of nothing like they did this season with Narcisse. Wish that fucker would have been shot. You know that is going to make Chalky go after Nucky. I'm glad that Eli beat the hell out of the prohi.
• gut

  Wow. So after about 58 minutes I'm sitting there thinking "amazing - this is either a GREAT episode or a terrible one"...and then they killed Richard.
  
  With the exception of Richard, and I guess Knox, well and damn I guess they threw in Maybelle...they teased at least 3-4 other dramatic endings that had much more realistic, if unsatisfying, conclusions(?)
  
  The scenes with Nucky and his brother, and Director Hoover and Narcisse, were two of the best of the entire series. And, damn, they'd made you feel so bad for Eli - just trying to do right by his family, but he ALWAYS ends up on the short-end.
• gut

  And now for my WTF? moments tonight:
  1) Didn't realize the FBI was at the hotel above the Onyx, but how exactly do they swoop-up Narcisse?
  
  2) I thought Daughter had run off...singing at the end she seemed oddly unhappy. I thought she didn't really like singing "white folk" music.
  
  3) How in hell did Torio survive that? (*in real life, Torio retired after a botched assassination attempt)
  
  4) WTF does Lurch come from to pick-up Eli? I guess that's supposed to tell us that Eli is actually in Chicago?!?
  
  5) Can't believe Richard missed.
• gut

  SportsAndLady;1542529 wrote: So was richard Harrow dead/dying? I mean he can't just sit there overnight after being shot; he'd bleed out, right? No idea what is going to happen with that.

  Definitely dead. That was his life flashing before his eyes and going to his "happy place". I'd say theoretically someone could find him and he might yet live, but I think they slammed that door with the shot of him with the non-disfigured face.
  
  I didn't really like how they did Richard like that. Didn't understand the twitch/hesitation at first, but then remembered he "gave that up". I don't know if he promised his sister or what exactly happened there, but he had definitely lost the edge. Guess the point is he wasn't capable of killing any more, which I think was too subtle - you had to be majorly on your game to realize he couldn't take that shot in real time.
• gut

  OK, I'm coming around to "BRILLIANT finale". Might have to watch it again.
  
  One question:
  What exactly did Nucky mean when he said to Willie "he's your father, my brother...I'm not the man you think I am"? So we know he didn't kill Eli, which is what Nucky is trying to say, I think. But I'm curious because in order to understand that, you have to know what Nucky thinks Willie thinks of him - and that's where I'm at a bit of a loss.
  
  I lean toward "I'm not a monster, but I'm no hero either"
• bases_loaded

  

  If you read about Torrio that's exactly how it happened.
  
  It didn't hit me until late last night. But wasn't Hoover going to a meeting with the AG, who Nucky was banging last year and owed him a favor for getting Cincinatti. Is Hoover more concerned with keeping the black man down than organized crime? If so Nucky struck a deal that saved his brothers life by sending him out west to Chicago for a little bit while narcisse takes the fall for Knox death.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Feel pretty terrible.
  
  My former roommates and I were cooking some alligator last night, and we accidentally started a small grease fire that set off the fire alarm system. Apparently the building's alarm system is tied directly to the fire department, so the local fire department came rushing over. The guys were really cool and after chatting it up with them for awhile, they mentioned they were watching the Season Finale of Boardwalk Empire. On the one hand, I felt terrible that we pulled them away from the Finale; on the other, I was thinking "nice to know tax dollars are likely being spent to purchase HBO for firemen.
  
  #CoolStoryBro
• gut

  bases_loaded;1542672 wrote:If you read about Torrio that's exactly how it happened.
  
  It didn't hit me until late last night. But wasn't Hoover going to a meeting with the AG, who Nucky was banging last year and owed him a favor for getting Cincinatti. Is Hoover more concerned with keeping the black man down than organized crime? If so Nucky struck a deal that saved his brothers life by sending him out west to Chicago for a little bit while narcisse takes the fall for Knox death.

  I honestly don't remember Nucky hooking up with an AG...must have missed it. I don't think he needed any tip - he figured out at that family dinner that the insurance agent was Knox.
  
  As for Hoover, I haven't paid close enough attention but I think he's more interested in the communist and anti-establishment connections. He doesn't seem to really believe in organized crime across state lines, or at least isn't sure how they'd prosecute it.
  
  Some of the blogs/critics have said everything in Chicago so far has been pretty close to historically accurate (so don't read up on these guys if you don't want spoilers!). They mentioned Bugs Moran last night, too, so maybe we'll see him next year.
• bases_loaded

  

  Bugs Moran is the guy who tried to kill Torrio.
  
  And Nucky hooked up with the AG last season. Shes the one that put the guy from Cincy who always talks in the 3rd person behind bars. I'm not talking about him being tipped off, Im saying that he struck a deal to make sure his brother wouldn't take the hit from the Knox murder. Hoover is setting up some black guy as the murderer with help from Narcisse.
  
  But I could've been tired and missed alot.
• gut

  bases_loaded;1543021 wrote:Bugs Moran is the guy who tried to kill Torrio.
  
  And Nucky hooked up with the AG last season. Shes the one that put the guy from Cincy who always talks in the 3rd person behind bars. I'm not talking about him being tipped off, Im saying that he struck a deal to make sure his brother wouldn't take the hit from the Knox murder. Hoover is setting up some black guy as the murderer with help from Narcisse.

  If it's the DA I'm thinking of, I didn't think they actually hooked up but I may have missed it.
  
  I understand what you're trying to say with Hoover. I don't know. Not sure any deal was struck and that's just Hoover working with what he had to turn Narcisse an informant. Hoover thinks these guys are just common criminals and really isn't interested in them and seems to feel they are beneath his office and time. Conveniently it allows them to bring back Eli at some point.
  
  Even one of the writers said Nucky was going to kill Eli if Willie hadn't shown up (I'm not so sure, but you can't really argue with a writer). I don't think he made any deal for Eli, and "saving" him off in Chicago is more about gaining Willie's trust and confidence.
• dlazz

  I thought it was a solid finale.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Bringing this back.
  Anybody started watching the final season that started? Pretty good so far.
  Love the move ahead, 1931.
  We finally get to see all the main players at their height.
  Capone, the rise of Luciano, the entrance of Elliot Ness, and the intro of Edward Kennedy was pretty neat.
  Seems like it is a solid ending to the series thus far.
  It appears the final few episodes are going to be Nucky v. Luciano.
  I wonder where Narcisse and Chalky will fit in?
• gut

  Yeah, I missed the premiere but am caught up now.
  
  I didn't care for the skip ahead. Didn't show any of the hits other than the failed one on Nucky, or Rothstein's death (which I think was a suicide?) Maybe none of that was dramatic enough, but disappointing that they very casually mentioned Rothstein's death and provided no details.
  
  WHY won't the get rid of Jillian?
  
  Good question on Narcisse and Chalky. Honestly I think their story arcs may pretty much be done (Chalky will probably snap or try to escape at some point, and be gunned down).
  
  I don't know much about Ness other than the "Untouchables". Appears the Treasury is already deeply embedded in Capone's organization.
• HelloAgain

  gut;1654371 wrote:Rothstein's death (which I think was a suicide?)

  He was killed over a gambling debt IRL. They kind of foreshadowed this with his gambling issues last season(the scene where he loses to Nucky, then the scene where Meyer has to get him to leave the poker table.)
• gut

  HelloAgain;1654378 wrote:He was killed over a gambling debt IRL. They kind of foreshadowed this with his gambling issues last season(the scene where he loses to Nucky, then the scene where Meyer has to get him to leave the poker table.)

  Yeah, I knew it was something like that. Wish they would have shown it. I feel like they've moved too slowly to wrap-up this year and had to skip ahead, leaving out a lot of the good stuff. All that wasted screen time on Jillan...
• HelloAgain

  Is there anyone in the world who has ever cared about Margaret's character?
  
  I still really like this show, unfortunate to see its run cut a little short. But hopefully they can still wrap it up well. First 3 seasons were great. Last season was just alright.
• TedSheckler

  

  I liked Margaret when she was banging Owen.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Margaret and Jills stories both suck. No more of that shit
• gut

  series finale Sunday
  
  Disappointed with how it's wrapping-up, but they are staying true to history. Not going to read-up on Nucky to see how it turns out. I believe he's a composite, anyway, so who knows.
  
  So I'm feeling like this will almost be more of an epilogue with the true finale being the penultimate episode last week.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I love it actually. I thought they have done a great job at being Nucky full circle with the flashbacks. To me, that circles back to the first few seasons. I also like they move ahead in time, and how they focused on the creation of the Commission.
  The drop of bodies is a little of a surprise, but that is the era I guess. I have not expected the last few though.
  
  I am not sure myself is Nucky makes it. In history, he does, but not sure if they may stick with that.
  The end of the last episode to me was a little odd, but it makes it shape up like everything is coming full circle, back to the 1st season.
  
  Also, anyone guess if the kid that Nucky may be helping may be Jimmy's son? One theory I read.
• TedSheckler

  

  It sucks they skipped ahead so far for this season, but with HBO canceling the show and only giving them 8 episodes, they had to wrap it up quick.
• gut

  ptown_trojans_1;1666479 wrote:Also, anyone guess if the kid that Nucky may be helping may be Jimmy's son? One theory I read.

  All fair. Not faulting the writing, just feeling they had to move too swiftly to wrap it up. Capone could have been a show unto itself, but they kind of made it a caricature.
  
  Interesting theory on Jimmy's son. Hadn't even thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense, especially with flashbacks to his mom.
• bases_loaded

  

  TedSheckler;1666510 wrote:It sucks they skipped ahead so far for this season, but with HBO canceling the show and only giving them 8 episodes, they had to wrap it up quick.

  I did not know this. Did it not have enough gheys for HBO to keep it rolling? I assumed Boardwalk was the one calling it quits, now I'm pissed at HBO