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The Steubenville incident v. Anonymous

  • fan_from_texas
    GoChiefs;1355207 wrote:Eh...very questionable. Its certainly not clear if anyone is underage or not. But like others have said, I dont know what the documents say.

    Yeah, I would advise you to stay clear. There's no safe harbor for good intentions when it comes to kiddie porn possession.
  • GoChiefs
    fan_from_texas;1355239 wrote:Yeah, I would advise you to stay clear. There's no safe harbor for good intentions when it comes to kiddie porn possession.

    Deleted a long time ago.
  • kayo
    killer_ewok;1355108 wrote:These dudes go hard. This is great.
    They may 'go hard', but there are also plenty of unsubstantiated charges and dubious 'facts' in that blog post:
    wrote:The victim had been intentionally drugged with a “date rape” intoxicant.
    Has this been proven?
    wrote:In May of 2012, Ed Wilson a Steubenville Big Red football player and two other unknown individuals shot out the windows of 14 vehicles in Steubenville. Despite being arrested, and confessing to the crime – he was never sentenced or made to pay restitution.
    Maybe true, but I couldn't find anything online about it.
    wrote:Coach Sacchoia’s motto to his boys is: “lie till you die”.
    wrote:Assistant Coach Pierro handles this aspect of the “program”, allowing the boys to view porn on his computer – and even providing drugs and alcohol to those who are “extra” deserving.
    wrote:The “date rape” drug used to knock the victim of the gang rape unconscious was supplied by this criminal (Nathan Hubbard) with the knowledge and consent of Parks and Pierro.
    Pretty serious charges without a shred of evidence.
    wrote:Not only is this football team the very epicenter of social life in this otherwise sleepy little mid-western town, but it is a huge economic engine in the community – generating millions of dollars in economic activity, tax revenue – and income in the form of hundreds of jobs.


    Millions of dollars and hundreds of jobs, really? I sense an exaggeration here.
  • killer_ewok
    kayo;1355385 wrote:They may 'go hard', but there are also plenty of unsubstantiated charges and dubious 'facts' in that blog post

    My comment had to do with the dirt they are able to find on people (dox).
  • OSH
    kayo;1355385 wrote:They may 'go hard', but there are also plenty of unsubstantiated charges and dubious 'facts' in that blog post:
    They are unsubstantiated to you and I, but we don't know what they've uncovered, looked at, or read. Nor do we know who they've talked to.

    So, they could be VERY substantiated.
  • scoreboard
    Why was a second thread needed?
  • kayo
    OSH;1355437 wrote:They are unsubstantiated to you and I, but we don't know what they've uncovered, looked at, or read. Nor do we know who they've talked to.

    So, they could be VERY substantiated.
    Well sure, but if they ARE substantiated, why can't they provide the proof? I'm all for rooting out corruption and criminality, but it's hard to make a fair-minded judgment with all the facts. Many on here seem not to care too much about that.
  • OSH
    kayo;1355444 wrote:Well sure, but if they ARE substantiated, why can't they provide the proof? I'm all for rooting out corruption and criminality, but it's hard to make a fair-minded judgment with all the facts. Many on here seem not to care too much about that.
    They are providing proof, just slowly but surely. They are wanting the right authorities to get involved with the mess before doing EVERYTHING. At least, that's my take on it.
  • Curly J
    kayo;1355444 wrote:Well sure, but if they ARE substantiated, why can't they provide the proof? I'm all for rooting out corruption and criminality, but it's hard to make a fair-minded judgment with all the facts. Many on here seem not to care too much about that.

    Along the lines of what OSH is saying. Are they supposed to give the evidence to the corrupt Sheriff that they outed for him to investigate?
  • kayo
    Curly J;1355468 wrote:Along the lines of what OSH is saying. Are they supposed to give the evidence to the corrupt Sheriff that they outed for him to investigate?
    If they don't trust anyone from law enforcement, why not put the evidence into the public domain? I have serious doubts about whether they have the evidence to back up some of their claims.
  • wes_mantooth
    It was always an ongoing joke about what a corrupt POS Abdella was growing up in the area. Ties to the mob, taking money...etc. I am sure some of it was bullshit, but the talk was always there
  • ytownfootball
    kayo;1355470 wrote:If they don't trust anyone from law enforcement, why not put the evidence into the public domain? I have serious doubts about whether they have the evidence to back up some of their claims.
    The interwebs is the public domain. They're not law enforcement, they can't put evidence out there for public consumption anyway and jeopardize legal prosecution. All they can do is lead law enforcement in the right direction. They've done that. The byproduct is damning in the court of public opinion, that can't be avoided.
  • Curly J
    wes_mantooth;1355471 wrote:It was always an ongoing joke about what a corrupt POS Abdella was growing up in the area. Ties to the mob, taking money...etc. I am sure some of it was bullshit, but the talk was always there

    I could be wrong, but in the video they published The Sheriff said he/his Department confiscated the cell phones of the players to ensure, nothing could be deleted from them...according to him. Later he states he's not in charge of the investigation and the local PD is handling it. WTF. That's part of the corruption they are referring to.
  • kayo
    ytownfootball;1355474 wrote:The interwebs is the public domain. They're not law enforcement, they can't put evidence out there for public consumption anyway and jeopardize legal prosecution. All they can do is lead law enforcement in the right direction. They've done that. The byproduct is damning in the court of public opinion, that can't be avoided.
    But they already did put SOME evidence out there, so why not all of it? I guess I have a problem with vigilante justice, especially when some of it is being done by means that are clearly illegal (hacking). The whole MOW/Jim Parks things is particulary scary, especially if it turns out that he isn't guilty of anything. Right now they've found files on his computer, which they describe like this...

    "Among the many interesting things discovered in this trove were several pornographic images of extremely young women, quite possibly underage. One particularly difficult to explain image lifted from James Parks E-Mail is this picture, which appears to show a scantily clad under-age student. It would seem to have been surreptitiously shot in the girls bathroom at the high school."

    "quite possibly underage", "appears to show...under-age student", and "seems to have been...at the high school"

    These charges are qualified (possibly, appears, seems), and yet they draw a picture of someone that is a true creeper. If he is, I hope he gets what he deserves. But if he isn't, then the 'damning in the court of public opinion' will have taken its toll.

    There is plenty of smoke here, I'll give you that. But some of these 'truthers' are seeing the smoke and immediately trying to fight a fire that may or may not be there.
  • OSH
    They have stated to a certain individual that is tied to the whole situation that they are "contacting AT&T and/or Verizon about backed up MMS from the cell phones." Supposedly the providers have a database of cell phone contacts and can trace messages.

    That is one of the bits that take a little bit of time.

    This stuff doesn't happen overnight. There is a lot that could be considered hearsay, but to others, it is truth. The right people will be involved -- could potentially be the federal government if certain things are outed. Anonymous isn't some rinky-dink organization that is based off of lies and rumors. They will only get involved if there's reason to be involved. I am sure that this will uncover MORE than an underage rape case -- which has already been tweeted about in corruption, drugs, etc. We have only seen the beginning.
  • fish82
    @KYAnonymous has found the "deleted" video with Nodianos and the Crew chatting about the rape. It's hitting Twitter and YouTube like crazy.
  • killer_ewok
    @KYAnonymous: try this youtube video let me know if it plays via @fastjason1010 http://t.co/ZB8xTazo "nodianos confessions"

    Link is in there. Oh. My. God. This is disgusting. Hope these dudes are getting what's coming to them.
  • justincredible
    killer_ewok;1355658 wrote:@KYAnonymous: try this youtube video let me know if it plays via @fastjason1010 http://t.co/ZB8xTazo "nodianos confessions"

    Link is in there. Oh. My. God. This is disgusting. Hope these dudes are getting what's coming to them.
    Jesus christ.
  • Automatik
    Not gonna watch this at work.

    Brief summary of vid?
  • Fly4Fun
    These kids truly are disgusting and vile idiots.

    At least it sounds like there is 1 guy in the video with some moral tendencies, but obviously not enough to really do anything.
  • killer_ewok
    Automatik;1355666 wrote:Not gonna watch this at work.

    Brief summary of vid?

    Assholes (one worse than the others) jokingly doing a play-by-play of the rape. A couple were saying it was fucked up that they raped her and what if it was your sister. Unreal.
  • Fly4Fun
    Automatik;1355666 wrote:Not gonna watch this at work.

    Brief summary of vid?
    It's basically just a video of some asshole making jokes about the girl being "Dead." They are to the effect that she didn't move when they were raping her, she didn't move when thy put their dick in her anus. She didn't move when people were pissing on her. Some idiot continues to make jokes the whole time. Eventually 1 guy starts to say this isn't funny and this was rape. But he didn't do anything about it, just argued with the idiots.
  • Fly4Fun
    The idiots in this video should be shitting bricks right about now.
  • killer_ewok
    Fly4Fun;1355675 wrote:The idiots in this video should be shitting bricks right about now.

    Yep.
  • xKoToVxSyNdRoMe
    killer_ewok;1355658 wrote:@KYAnonymous: try this youtube video let me know if it plays via @fastjason1010 http://t.co/ZB8xTazo "nodianos confessions"

    Link is in there. Oh. My. God. This is disgusting. Hope these dudes are getting what's coming to them.
    Jesus Christ dude. Glad they were stupid enough to film all this and glad Anonymous got involved.