Man executes two teens for breaking into home on Thanksgiving

• Al Bundy

  isadore;1334009 wrote:7 breakins
  they keep coming back
  they harassed and tortured him
  october $10,000 stolen
  "no suspects"
  gosh a failure of the law

  If he had a pit bull to guard his home, he would not have been robbed.
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1334018 wrote:If he had a pit bull to guard his home, he would not have been robbed.

  if he had a pit bull he would be dead. Their first favorite meal is babies, the second is old people.
• reclegend22

  

  isadore;1334009 wrote:7 breakins
  they keep coming back
  they harassed and tortured him
  october $10,000 stolen
  "no suspects"
  gosh a failure of the law

  Have to agree with this.
  
  Again, the guy took it too far by going all medieval on these kids and performing a point-blank execution and then hauling the carcasses down to his dungeon. When phrased like that, it sounds pretty horrible. Or, as WearPants would say, "IT SOUNDS LIKE MURDER!" Wanted to put that out there before we had to re-hear it.
  
  However, taking into consideration everything this guy had been through -- the continual after-dark break-ins by masked robbers, threat of harm, accompanying emotional trauma, loss of tens of thousands of dollars, etc. -- I might have snapped and killed these f----ers, too. They are dirt and the world is better that they're dead.
• WebFire

  reclegend22;1334021 wrote:Have to agree with this.
  
  Again, the guy took it too far by going all medieval on these kids and performing a point-blank execution and then hauling the carcasses down to his dungeon. When phrased like that, it sounds pretty horrible. Or, as WearPants would say, "IT SOUNDS LIKE MURDER!" Wanted to put that out there before we had to re-hear it.
  
  However, taking into consideration everything this guy had been through -- the continual after-dark break-ins by masked robbers, threat of harm, accompanying emotional trauma, loss of tens of thousands of dollars, etc. -- I might have snapped and killed these f----ers, too. They are dirt and the world is better that they're dead.

  Ok. And you'd still be charged with murder. I don't understand what the argument is.
• isadore

  the difference between the law and true justice. they got what they deserved.
• WebFire

  isadore;1334029 wrote:the difference between the law and true justice. they got what they deserved.

  Haha. Ok.
• reclegend22

  

  WebFire;1334024 wrote:Ok. And you'd still be charged with murder. I don't understand what the argument is.

  The argument is that this guy, despite the awkward way in which he handled the bodies, might -- or, in my opinion, should -- get off with a much lighter sentence than murder due to the emotional distress he was obviously in, and certainly shouldn't get more than a year or two of jail time, if any. There have been cases (just saw one on 48 Hours Hard Evidence the other day) where people have straight up committed murder in broad daylight, in public, for no reason at all, with witnesses, and got off with much less due to claiming self-defense. It's probably rare, and I no scholar of law, but this guy doesn't deserve hard time.
• isadore

  or some jury nullification by a jury skewing toward retirees
• gut

  isadore;1334009 wrote:7 breakins - so drive your trailer to a new park
  
  they keep coming back - get a big dog
  
  they harassed and tortured him - bull
  
  october $10,000 stolen - he's a moron for keeping that much cash around. Probably illegal moonshine money. Or maybe if he had used that $10k to put some bars on the window they kept breaking into the problem is solved and he'd have money left over.

  FIFY
• gut

  reclegend22;1334032 wrote:The argument is that this guy, despite the awkward way in which he handled the bodies, might -- or, in my opinion, should -- get off with a much lighter sentence than murder due to the emotional distress he was obviously in

  I'm not aware of any "battered burglarized" defense. Why didn't he put bars on the window? Why not get a dog? Instead he plotted and waited to ambush the next person that broke in.
  
  Putting a gun under someone's chin and pulling the trigger is a virtually impossible sell in any scenario. I don't think a jury will be particularly sympathetic when the victim is an unarmed teenage girl.
• I Wear Pants

  Bar the windows, better doors and locks, security services, more lights, etc, etc. It's never the person's fault they got robbed or broken into but there are certainly steps you can take to make it less likely to happen.
  
  Either way, this guy murdered a person. I don't feel bad for him. Sucks that he had break ins but that doesn't mean you need to commit murder.
• I Wear Pants

  reclegend22;1334032 wrote:The argument is that this guy, despite the awkward way in which he handled the bodies, might -- or, in my opinion, should -- get off with a much lighter sentence than murder due to the emotional distress he was obviously in, and certainly shouldn't get more than a year or two of jail time, if any. There have been cases (just saw one on 48 Hours Hard Evidence the other day) where people have straight up committed murder in broad daylight, in public, for no reason at all, with witnesses, and got off with much less due to claiming self-defense. It's probably rare, and I no scholar of law, but this guy doesn't deserve hard time.

  How does he not deserve hard time? He executed someone.
  
  You don't get to murder people and get off easy simply because you've been robbed a few times before.
• gut

  I Wear Pants;1334178 wrote: You don't get to murder people and get off easy simply because you've been robbed a few times before.

  This is the sort of case a public defender prays he doesn't get. The guy probably has mental issues (I can only assume) aside from being broken into multiple times. He really had $10k, and had it laying around the house?
  
  I wonder if the NRA will get involved in this guy's defense. I can't imagine they would go anywhere near this one.
• I Wear Pants

  Well the NRA isn't exactly logical so who knows.
• isadore

  gut;1334096 wrote:FIFY

  hardly a surprise you would be indifferent to the obvious persecution of an old man.
• gut

  isadore;1334268 wrote:hardly a surprise you would be indifferent to the obvious persecution of an old man.

  Ultimately even the gubmit could not protect him from his own stupidity.
• isadore

  I Wear Pants;1334177 wrote:Bar the windows, better doors and locks, security services, more lights, etc, etc. It's never the person's fault they got robbed or broken into but there are certainly steps you can take to make it less likely to happen.
  
  Either way, this guy murdered a person. I don't feel bad for him. Sucks that he had break ins but that doesn't mean you need to commit murder.

  I wear pants wrote: It's never the person's fault they got robbed or broken into

  Right, but then your heart bleeds for the scum who victimized this old man. The law should have protected him, it did not. So he did what was needed and just.
• isadore

  gut;1334270 wrote:Ultimately even the gubmit could not protect him from his own stupidity.

  the local law enforcement failed him. He was the continuing victim. He did what was needed to stop this continuing torture.
• gut

  isadore;1334272 wrote: He was the continuing victim. He did what was needed to stop this continuing torture.

  Nope, bars + dog + motion activated flood lights do wonders to deter break-ins.
  
  This guy chose to become a vigilante and will now face a jury for the consequences of his poor choices.
• isadore

  gut;1334273 wrote:Nope, bars + dog + motion activated flood lights do wonders to deter break-ins.
  
  This guy chose to become a vigilante and will now face a jury for the consequences of his poor choices.

  this guy knew about security and this was the only alternative available to him. law enforcement failed him.
• reclegend22

  

  I Wear Pants;1334177 wrote:Bar the windows, better doors and locks, security services, more lights, etc, etc.

  gut wrote:Nope, bars + dog + motion activated flood lights do wonders to deter break-ins.

  This guy is a retired senior citizen. Not the warden at Shawshank. But yeah, he should have just turned his home into Alcatraz. SMH.
  
  And as for something such as a bright outdoor light, how do you know that he doesn't have one? My guess is that you don't. Not to mention the fact that those types of deterrents don't stop masked robbers high on crystal meth. Or whatever the case may have been. They're coming in regardless if they know that they are targeting a house that's been successfully hit before, in which case this man's was.
  

  gut wrote:Instead he plotted and waited to ambush the next person that broke in.

  He had every right to have his gun locked and loaded, ready to blow the head off the next intruder that climbed through one of his windows. That's not an "ambush." It's called protecting yourself and your property.
• LJ

  

  reclegend22;1334307 wrote:
  
  
  He had every right to have his gun locked and loaded, ready to blow the head off the next intruder that climbed through one of his windows. That's not an "ambush." It's called protecting yourself and your property.

  No, he literally killed the first guy, dragged him to the basement, then went back upstairs and waited for more without calling the cops. Absolutely no reason to not call the cops after the first guy was down.
• reclegend22

  

  LJ;1334310 wrote:No, he literally killed the first guy, dragged him to the basement, then went back upstairs and waited for more without calling the cops. Absolutely no reason to not call the cops after the first guy was down.

  I understand what the guy did. I was simply responding to the idea that by simply having his gun ready to kill the next masked burglar who entered his house, the guy was therefore planning an "ambush" or the "perfect murder." That's ridiculous. He had every right to be on the ready, to shoot and to kill.
  
  As I said, the awkward way in which the guy handled the bodies after the first criminal was killed was certainly not the way to handle things. That might be what gets him hard time. But, honestly, I think the guy just had broke mentally and all-out snapped, believing that these thieves were never going to stop and might eventually kill him. So, he took advantage of the opportunity and ended their lives. I hope he gets off on some sort of temporary insanity/distress cause.
• LJ

  

  reclegend22;1334317 wrote:I understand what the guy did. I was simply responding to the idea that by simply having his gun ready to kill the next masked burglar who entered his house, the guy was therefore planning an "ambush" or the "perfect murder." That's ridiculous. He had every right to be on the ready, to shoot and to kill.
  
  As I said, the awkward way in which the guy handled the bodies after the first criminal was killed was certainly not the way to handle things. That might be what gets him hard time. But, honestly, I think the guy just had broke mentally and all-out snapped, believing that these thieves were never going to stop and might eventually kill him. So, he took advantage of the opportunity and ended their lives. I hope he gets off on some sort of temporary insanity/distress cause.

  
  I hope not
• WebFire

  LOL, snapping doesn't make it ok.