Muslim Extremists

• Heretic

  

  jmog;1268602 wrote:THIS!
  
  I agree 100% the pastor is a complete idiot and moron and anything else you want to call him.
  
  However, he still has freedom of speech in this nation, as much as he's using that freedom to act like an idiot, he still has that freedom.
  
  Extremists in this religion do terrible things to Christians or about Christians all the time and you don't see extreme Christians in America killing innocent Muslims over it.

  That's true. In America, the extreme Christians just do things like...
  
  1. Run from funeral to funeral letting everyone know that GOD HATES PHAGS!!!
  
  2. Handle snakes in an attempt to win Darwin awards.
  
  3. Use political clout in an attempt to ensure women have no jurisdiction over their body (ie: abortion) regardless of whether rape was involved or not. When that doesn't work, fuck it, just bomb a clinic or two!
  
  4. Molest altar boys.
  
  But, you are right. You don't really hear about them going after the innocent Muslims.
• Devils Advocate

  

  
• sleeper

  

  I hope we send 5,000 troops armed to the teeth to protect the embassy. Post signs everywhere that state "This is the property of the USA. Trespassers will be shot on sight with no warning."
  
  EZ.
• BGFalcons82

  

  sleeper;1268797 wrote:I hope we send 5,000 troops armed to the teeth to protect the embassy. Post signs everywhere that state "This is the property of the USA. Trespassers will be shot on sight with no warning."
  
  EZ.

  No need to worry about that, sleeper. Although, this administration has a hair-trigger for drone attacks. Hope they just kill the bad guys and no one else. Hope and hope.
  
  I would expect letters of apology from the administration for allowing a preacher in Florida and a filmmaker in Cali to tout and publish such blasphemy. THEY are the perpetrators, not the terrorists. How dare anyone in this country spew such hatred....freedom of speech my ass when Islam is being treated with such indignity. Then, on his next visit, he'll make sure to slip in an appropriate bow or two. Maybe a little kneeling, too.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  FatHobbit;1268685 wrote:Then why do you post about the "religion of peace" whenever some muslim (or Norwegian) crazy does something crazy? Is it not an attempt to paint all muslims as crazy?

  I use that term because that is the collective message from Muslim countries and leaders within the faith when asked about these terroristic acts. The simply tell us that Islam is a religion of peace, that these are a few extremists, that this is not Islam, etc. Meanwhile these types of acts happen over and over again. For the zillionth time, I don't suggest that there aren't nutballs in every faith. However I contend that there are not a "few extremists" at work here. There is a sizeable chunk of the population of these Muslim countries that finds it reasonable to cause murder and mayhem because of a picture in a newspaper or - in this case - a video made by some dumbass preacher.
  
  
  If these acts were done in the name of Christianity, and Christian leaders responded with hte same lame message we hear from the Islamic leaders, I'd point he finger at them equally.
• FatHobbit

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1268829 wrote:I use that term because that is the collective message from Muslim countries and leaders within the faith when asked about these terroristic acts. The simply tell us that Islam is a religion of peace, that these are a few extremists, that this is not Islam, etc. Meanwhile these types of acts happen over and over again. For the zillionth time, I don't suggest that there aren't nutballs in every faith. However I contend that there are not a "few extremists" at work here. There is a sizeable chunk of the population of these Muslim countries that finds it reasonable to cause murder and mayhem because of a picture in a newspaper or - in this case - a video made by some dumbass preacher.
  
  
  If these acts were done in the name of Christianity, and Christian leaders responded with hte same lame message we hear from the Islamic leaders, I'd point he finger at them equally.

  Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib apologized "to the American people and the government, and also to the rest of the world" for the "cowardly criminal act."

  Consulate security staff opened fire after they heard gunfire outside the mission, Al-Sharif said."This led to more anger and this is when the consulate was stormed," he said, suggesting that people loyal to deposed dictator Moammar Gadhafi were aiming to create chaos among the protesters."Criminals managed to get in and they burned and ransacked the consulate," he said.

  
  
  

  Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur said Stevens was "a friend of Libya, and we are shocked at the the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi." "I condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms. This is an attack on America, Libya and free people everywhere," Abushagur said on Twitter.

  
  
  

  Libya's governing party condemned the attack as a "criminal and cowardly act" and vowed to "track down the perpetrators and to maintain the country's security and the safety and security of its guests," Libya's official LANA news agency reported.

  
  Who defended the attack?
  
• FatHobbit

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1268829 wrote:There is a sizeable chunk of the population of these Muslim countries that finds it reasonable to cause murder and mayhem because of a picture in a newspaper or - in this case - a video made by some dumbass preacher.

  You can't even be sure that this attack was because of the video or related to religion. It very well could have been Gadhafi supporters using that as an excuse to stir up trouble.
• I Wear Pants

  Sonofanump;1268724 wrote:You are better than that, you can tell.

  Fuck you. I couldn't. I don't appreciate people telling me what I think or believe. If I said I can't tell I can't tell.
• jmog

  Heretic;1268781 wrote:That's true. In America, the extreme Christians just do things like...
  
  1. Run from funeral to funeral letting everyone know that GOD HATES PHAGS!!!
  
  2. Handle snakes in an attempt to win Darwin awards.
  
  3. Use political clout in an attempt to ensure women have no jurisdiction over their body (ie: abortion) regardless of whether rape was involved or not. When that doesn't work, **** it, just bomb a clinic or two!
  
  4. Molest altar boys.
  
  But, you are right. You don't really hear about them going after the innocent Muslims.

  1. Reprehensible, but not killing anyone.
  2. Absolutely stupid, but not harming anyone.
  3. Please, oh for God's sake please, show me where ANYONE in ANY level of government is even close to reversing Roe v Wade, until then this has no value. Expressing their views on a topic and actually changing the laws are about as far away from each other as the Earth is from the moon.
  4. Reprehensible, possibly ruining kids lives, absolutely. However, while the priests should have been arrested and charged EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, they were not doing this "for religious reasons" as the Muslims we are talking about. They didn't say "God told me to do it" as the Muslims are. They weren't saying "I raped the boy in God's name" like the Muslims are.
  5. The closest corollary you have come to is the bombing of the abortion clinics. I can and will buy that one. However, here in America we arrest, try, and sometimes give the death penalty (other times life or long sentences) to these people. What are the chances Egypt or Libya does the same to these 'protestors'?
• FatHobbit

  

  http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-3-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/?hpt=hp_t1
  
  
  

  A London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.The assault "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday. It was "the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault," the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.
  The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location. The second wave was directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said, citing unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

  This is admittedly from a london think tank (and I don't think has actually been proven) but it still seems just as likely to me.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  jmog;1268862 wrote:1. Reprehensible, but not killing anyone.
  2. Absolutely stupid, but not harming anyone.
  3. Please, oh for God's sake please, show me where ANYONE in ANY level of government is even close to reversing Roe v Wade, until then this has no value. Expressing their views on a topic and actually changing the laws are about as far away from each other as the Earth is from the moon.
  4. Reprehensible, possibly ruining kids lives, absolutely. However, while the priests should have been arrested and charged EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, they were not doing this "for religious reasons" as the Muslims we are talking about. They didn't say "God told me to do it" as the Muslims are. They weren't saying "I raped the boy in God's name" like the Muslims are.
  5. The closest corollary you have come to is the bombing of the abortion clinics. I can and will buy that one. However, here in America we arrest, try, and sometimes give the death penalty (other times life or long sentences) to these people. What are the chances Egypt or Libya does the same to these 'protestors'?

  Yeah, jmog wins this one.
• sleeper

  

  Going to have to agree with jmog on those concepts. Shocking I know.
• gut

  FatHobbit;1268836 wrote:You can't even be sure that this attack was because of the video or related to religion. It very well could have been Gadhafi supporters using that as an excuse to stir up trouble.

  Well, GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead. Anyone catch demonstrators over there chanting "Obama Obama we're all Osama"? And on 9/11?
  
  I don't think it really matters what we say or do. The radical elements use hatred/fear - something right out of the Democratic playbook - of the West to gain and maintain power.
• FatHobbit

  

  gut;1268898 wrote:The radical elements use hatred/fear - something right out of the Democratic playbook - of the West to gain and maintain power.

  Do you mean radical christians use hatred/fear to gain and maintain power? Or is running to the internet screaming about "the religion of peace" every time there is a terrorist attack (even when it's a norwegian who is opposed to multiculturalism) not trying to stir up hatred and fear?
• I Wear Pants

  Jmog is absolutely correct but I don't believe it has that much to do with Christianity being a more "peaceful" religion but rather that Islamic majority countries tend to be in horrible, impoverished, uneducated, violent places. This breeds hatred and radicalism.
  
  We don't have Christians (for the most part) killing people in the streets or in embassies here. I attribute that far more to our laws and cultural/political/economic stability than to the Christian religion.
• I Wear Pants

  gut;1268898 wrote:Well, GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead. Anyone catch demonstrators over there chanting "Obama Obama we're all Osama"? And on 9/11?
  
  I don't think it really matters what we say or do. The radical elements use hatred/fear - something right out of the Democratic playbook - of the West to gain and maintain power.

  Please, like it's not the go to tactic for the Republicans as well. "Obama will kill your granny with death panels", "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is a Kenyan", "Obama is a socialist/marxist/etc", "Obama is purposely trying to bankrupt America so he can rebuilt it".
  
  If you think either one of the current major political parties is good and pure or anything close to it you're a fool.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  The Egyptians hate us because our government stole billions of dollars from us and sent it over there to prop up a dictator that brutally cracked down on their people. They could give a fuck less about some video.
• I Wear Pants

  Cleveland Buck;1268932 wrote:The Egyptians hate us because our government stole billions of dollars from us and sent it over there to prop up a dictator that brutally cracked down on their people. They could give a fuck less about some video.

  Well it's a bit of both, but probably more of the former. Though I wouldn't say our government stole the money. More like they used it in a way that was different than what we gave it to them for (roads, social services, protection, none of which propping up foreign dictators falls under). It'd be like you giving me $10 for a sandwich but instead of using it for food I gave it to a guy to buy drugs with. Oh yeah, I also borrowed $1000 in your name to give to a bunch of other thugs.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  I Wear Pants;1268936 wrote:Well it's a bit of both, but probably more of the former. Though I wouldn't say our government stole the money. More like they used it in a way that was different than what we gave it to them for (roads, social services, protection, none of which propping up foreign dictators falls under). It'd be like you giving me $10 for a sandwich but instead of using it for food I gave it to a guy to buy drugs with. Oh yeah, I also borrowed $1000 in your name to give to a bunch of other thugs.

  No, they stole it. Well, at least they stole it from me. I never gave them anything. They took it.
• Belly35

  

  This Sunday after church I'm picking up more ammo... and bacon BLT for lunch
• I Wear Pants

  Belly35;1268942 wrote:This Sunday after church I'm picking up more ammo... and bacon BLT for lunch

  Can't fault either of those choices. Though I hope the ammo is to go shooting/practice rather than a paranoid attempt to stock up or something. No one is coming for you (would likely be a poor choice on their part if they were anyway).
  
  Muslims don't eat bacon do they? They're missing out that's for damned sure.
• jmog

  I Wear Pants;1268910 wrote:Jmog is absolutely correct but I don't believe it has that much to do with Christianity being a more "peaceful" religion but rather that Islamic majority countries tend to be in horrible, impoverished, uneducated, violent places. This breeds hatred and radicalism.
  
  We don't have Christians (for the most part) killing people in the streets or in embassies here. I attribute that far more to our laws and cultural/political/economic stability than to the Christian religion.

  
  What about Jews in Israel which is a poor country (Jews have similar moral codes to Christians).
  What about the Christians in India which is a poor country?
  What about the Christians in pretty much all of South America?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  jmog;1268953 wrote:What about Jews in Israel which is a poor country (Jews have similar moral codes to Christians).
  What about the Christians in India which is a poor country?
  What about the Christians in pretty much all of South America?

  Our troops don't occupy India or South America, and they are welcome in Israel because they know we are there to fight their wars for them.
• QuakerOats

  I Wear Pants;1268917 wrote:Please, like it's not the go to tactic for the Republicans as well. "Obama will kill your granny with death panels", "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is a Kenyan", "Obama is a socialist/marxist/etc", "Obama is purposely trying to bankrupt America so he can rebuilt it".
  
  If you think either one of the current major political parties is good and pure or anything close to it you're a fool.

  
  
  Thanks. I had been wondering what obama meant when he said he would "fundamentally transform America". No worries.
• I Wear Pants

  jmog;1268953 wrote:What about Jews in Israel which is a poor country (Jews have similar moral codes to Christians).
  What about the Christians in India which is a poor country?
  What about the Christians in pretty much all of South America?

  Israel is a terribly violent place.
  
  India isn't a Christian majority country to my understanding.
  
  South America is also pretty damned violent, though I don't know that much about their culture/if religion is very much a culprit in any of the violence there.