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Skyhook79

sleeper;1149535 wrote:Great. When I die, after living my life to the fullest held back by no false beliefs that were never proven, I can't wait to have a talk with God on his weakness. I will simply explain to him that he was not strong enough to convince me, cited lack of evidence and my inability to associate myself with flawed logic.

God is most definitely weak and since this is a statement of fact, like your entire belief system, I can use the faith cop out instead of having to prove it with logic and evidence.

That statement made me think of this:

The Good Person: WOW! All this time I didn’t think you were real… My bad. but I was a “good person”, so I guess it’s all good, right?
God: No, it’s not “all good”
The Good Person: HA HA, I know you’re kidding… I mean it’s not like I was Hitler or anything, I was a good person, and went out of my way to help… most of the time.
God: I’m not laughing .. in fact your rejection of me makes me extremely sad.
The Good Person: Okay, Okay… I’m sorry.. But come on.. I went to Church.
God: You went a few times, but never invited me into your heart … By the way: your Aunt Nancy, the one who I brought home last year… the one who tried to open your heart to me… she says hello.. She’s hangs out in my Throne Room with me every day.
The Good Person: Aunt Nancy? The weird Jesus Freak? Ah, she was so annoying… Always wanting me to pray with her… Come on, you have to admit, she was just a little weird, right?
God: Excuse me! I happen to love her passion about the gift of my Son… You know, I sent Him to die for everyone… this included YOU. This was MY SON… MY ONLY SON… I sent Him to suffer FOR YOU. I sent Him to endure the most painful death imaginable, FOR YOU. And yet, you rejected every single invitation.
The Good Person: I was just joking, you know that… you’re God, right?
God: I am God. A reality you clearly rejected until you met me face to face. And, I know your heart… I know what you call “a joke” was really an attempt to justify your rejection of Me.
The Good Person: So I messed up… OK, I’m sorry… Don’t you forgive people like me?
God: I gave you every resource imaginable to accept the gift of my Son while you were alive, but you rejected Him… You rejected the Cross….
I gave you my Word, the Bible, the ultimate instruction manual, and you choose to listen only to those who would try to disprove it — but never could.
I told you how I created everything, but you choose to place more faith in coming from nothing, a “big bang”… I mean seriously… you thought you came from NOTHING?
You tried to publicly undermine the significance of MY SON by repeatedly demeaning my followers by referring to them as “freaks” or “holy rollers” and a whole host of other names.
You always knew in your heart that there was a something more to life, but you never thought I was important enough to seek out.
I told you through your Aunt Nancy to give up the ways of the world — they would lead to nowhere, but you laughed at her and chose to embrace worldly behaviors, without reservation…. and I know about each one of them.
You supported causes that rejected me, and then you turned around and cursed, mocked and blamed me when things didn’t work out.
…. unfortunately, you became your own god, of yourself…..
The Good Person: So what now?
God: I’m sorry, I don’t know you.

I Wear Pants

So you're saying god isn't all knowing then Skyhook?

I Wear Pants

OSH;1149254 wrote:IWP:

It would help if you actually read the Bible instead of googling "funny" pics or memes. I don't care if you do that googling...just make sure you get the chance to read the verse OR just look like sleeper...

Here's the [NASB] 2 Kings 2:23-24 passage:

It hardly says that "God sent bears." You have complained about Christians picking and choosing Bible verses to fit whatever they want...that's exactly what you did -- and did it terribly. At least when Christians do it they get the verse right, there's SOME applicable material with it.

That sure sounds like bears came out and tore up people.

And I've read the Bible cover to cover several times. I'll post funny things when I feel like and I'm not going to feel the need to point out that they're meant to be funny instead of actual debate when they're as obvious as that one.

I Wear Pants

Skyhook79;1149306 wrote:Did you look both ways before you crossed? were you texting? Checking out a good looking girl? Everyone is going to die eventually and sometimes it's caused by decisions of others or just happens, we are not promised tomorrow. Too many times we look at life on earth as the end all. If you believe in Jesus death is the beginning of true life.

Because it actually is. There is nothing more after this. No salvation, no damnation, no eternal consciousness. What you were before you were born (nothing) is what you return to. This fleeting moment in time with others who happen to be sharing it with us is all we get.

pmoney25

sleeper;1149627 wrote:With all given knowledge, it is illogical for matter to be created. So God cannot do that.

I win again. How does it feel?

If matter was not created at one point then the Universe must be eternal although all scientific evidence points to the fact that the Universe is not eternal. So it had to have had a beginning and the Logical conclusion is that something must have created it. What that is can be up for debate but if it was Created which all evidence supports that it was, based off your arguement God could have done that.

I Wear Pants

I hate how people seem to think that since some of our current best explanations for how things came to be involve some complexity or small odds that they think it makes more sense for something like a god to exist. A god would have to be far more complex and unlikely than any of our current explanations.

OSH

I Wear Pants;1149647 wrote:That sure sounds like bears came out and tore up people.

And I've read the Bible cover to cover several times. I'll post funny things when I feel like and I'm not going to feel the need to point out that they're meant to be funny instead of actual debate when they're as obvious as that one.

Not arguing that at all. The fact that your "funny thing" you posted is obviously incorrect is a lousy attempt at being "funny." It's inaccurate. It's the same thing that you (and/or others) have accused Christians of doing -- apparently you missed my point there -- of misusing Biblical references for whatever he/she wants to relate them to. If it's not "okay" for Christians to do it...then it's really not "okay" for others to do it.

I Wear Pants;1149653 wrote:I hate how people seem to think that since some of our current best explanations for how things came to be involve some complexity or small odds that they think it makes more sense for something like a god to exist. A god would have to be far more complex and unlikely than any of our current explanations.

I hate how this "current best explanations for how things came to be involve some complexity or small odds that they think it makes more sense for" science to be all-knowing and 100% correct. How many times is science going to have "current" and "best explanations" for things?

I know, I know...things continue getting better scientifically. I get it. But the "current best explanation" will only go wrong next year when something "better" comes out. Oh, and then it will be obsolete the next year. And the next. And the next. Meanwhile, science is just "figuring things out." Or "that's what science does."

I've said it before...science WILL NEVER figure out where we came from. It'll never be accurate on the age of the earth. They might as well be better served saving their money in that regard and figure out a way to cure cancer (or migraines, for my sake).

pmoney25

I Wear Pants;1149653 wrote:I hate how people seem to think that since some of our current best explanations for how things came to be involve some complexity or small odds that they think it makes more sense for something like a god to exist. A god would have to be far more complex and unlikely than any of our current explanations.

I don't come from the God makes more sense crowd. The idea of God is more complex and beyond explanation. I totally understand that having a God create everything does not make sense to a lot of people and it is a valid arguement and a reason for debate. I do not believe that God and Science have to be at odds. I don't think that just because Atheists have not been able to find a cause for the start of the universe than that must mean God exists.

At this time it really is beyond Human capability to really understand how it all started, regardless if you believe in God or not. I do not pretend to think that I know for sure or that I am right and you are wrong.

OSH

pmoney25;1149661 wrote:I don't come from the God makes more sense crowd. The idea of God is more complex and beyond explanation. I totally understand that having a God create everything does not make sense to a lot of people and it is a valid arguement and a reason for debate. I do not believe that God and Science have to be at odds. I don't think that just because Atheists have not been able to find a cause for the start of the universe than that must mean God exists.

At this time it really is beyond Human capability to really understand how it all started, regardless if you believe in God or not. I do not pretend to think that I know for sure or that I am right and you are wrong.

So much truth in both of these statements.

enigmaax

Skyhook79;1149642 wrote:That statement made me think of this:

The Good Person: WOW! All this time I didn’t think you were real… My bad. but I was a “good person”, so I guess it’s all good, right?
God: No, it’s not “all good”
The Good Person: HA HA, I know you’re kidding… I mean it’s not like I was Hitler or anything, I was a good person, and went out of my way to help… most of the time.
God: I’m not laughing .. in fact your rejection of me makes me extremely sad.
The Good Person: Okay, Okay… I’m sorry.. But come on.. I went to Church.
God: You went a few times, but never invited me into your heart … By the way: your Aunt Nancy, the one who I brought home last year… the one who tried to open your heart to me… she says hello.. She’s hangs out in my Throne Room with me every day.
The Good Person: Aunt Nancy? The weird Jesus Freak? Ah, she was so annoying… Always wanting me to pray with her… Come on, you have to admit, she was just a little weird, right?
God: Excuse me! I happen to love her passion about the gift of my Son… You know, I sent Him to die for everyone… this included YOU. This was MY SON… MY ONLY SON… I sent Him to suffer FOR YOU. I sent Him to endure the most painful death imaginable, FOR YOU. And yet, you rejected every single invitation.
The Good Person: I was just joking, you know that… you’re God, right?
God: I am God. A reality you clearly rejected until you met me face to face. And, I know your heart… I know what you call “a joke” was really an attempt to justify your rejection of Me.
The Good Person: So I messed up… OK, I’m sorry… Don’t you forgive people like me?
God: I gave you every resource imaginable to accept the gift of my Son while you were alive, but you rejected Him… You rejected the Cross….
I gave you my Word, the Bible, the ultimate instruction manual, and you choose to listen only to those who would try to disprove it — but never could.
I told you how I created everything, but you choose to place more faith in coming from nothing, a “big bang”… I mean seriously… you thought you came from NOTHING?
You tried to publicly undermine the significance of MY SON by repeatedly demeaning my followers by referring to them as “freaks” or “holy rollers” and a whole host of other names.
You always knew in your heart that there was a something more to life, but you never thought I was important enough to seek out.
I told you through your Aunt Nancy to give up the ways of the world — they would lead to nowhere, but you laughed at her and chose to embrace worldly behaviors, without reservation…. and I know about each one of them.
You supported causes that rejected me, and then you turned around and cursed, mocked and blamed me when things didn’t work out.
…. unfortunately, you became your own god, of yourself…..
The Good Person: So what now?
God: I’m sorry, I don’t know you.

This makes god sound like a butt hurt egomaniac.

I Wear Pants

OSH;1149660 wrote:Not arguing that at all. The fact that your "funny thing" you posted is obviously incorrect is a lousy attempt at being "funny." It's inaccurate. It's the same thing that you (and/or others) have accused Christians of doing -- apparently you missed my point there -- of misusing Biblical references for whatever he/she wants to relate them to. If it's not "okay" for Christians to do it...then it's really not "okay" for others to do it.

I hate how this "current best explanations for how things came to be involve some complexity or small odds that they think it makes more sense for" science to be all-knowing and 100% correct. How many times is science going to have "current" and "best explanations" for things?

I know, I know...things continue getting better scientifically. I get it. But the "current best explanation" will only go wrong next year when something "better" comes out. Oh, and then it will be obsolete the next year. And the next. And the next. Meanwhile, science is just "figuring things out." Or "that's what science does."

I've said it before...science WILL NEVER figure out where we came from. It'll never be accurate on the age of the earth. They might as well be better served saving their money in that regard and figure out a way to cure cancer (or migraines, for my sake).

The age of the earth it will be pretty accurate on. What might be difficult to ever get a more certain explanation on is things like how the big bang and such occurred. But that doesn't make god a better answer.

People said we will never fly, and we will never get to the moon, etc, etc. Be careful when saying what science will never do.

Edit: And if you agree that bears tore people up in that passage I don't see what you disagree with.

pmoney25;1149661 wrote:I don't come from the God makes more sense crowd. The idea of God is more complex and beyond explanation. I totally understand that having a God create everything does not make sense to a lot of people and it is a valid arguement and a reason for debate. I do not believe that God and Science have to be at odds. I don't think that just because Atheists have not been able to find a cause for the start of the universe than that must mean God exists.

At this time it really is beyond Human capability to really understand how it all started, regardless if you believe in God or not. I do not pretend to think that I know for sure or that I am right and you are wrong.

You are absolutely right. Which is why most people who are atheists are agnostic atheists. I don't know that there is no god(s), I have just seen zero evidence that suggests there is one or that god(s) are a more likely explanation for, well, anything.

I think what seems like god and science being at odds isn't really that at all. It's just that there is a very deliberate attempt by the world religions that's been going on for a very, very long time to dispute any science that either does or seems to refute parts of their holy books (written thousands of years ago likely by uneducated people).

I have no problem with religion but when I'm debating it with people it frustrates me and many other atheists when the theist in the discussion doesn't want to debate with logic and such. If you aren't willing to debate in that manner then why even bother? (Not saying you did this or do this, just an example).

OSH

enigmaax;1149664 wrote:This makes god sound like a butt hurt egomaniac.

I thought the same thing. I hope I never hear a whiny little rant like that.

I Wear Pants;1149665 wrote:The age of the earth it will be pretty accurate on. What might be difficult to ever get a more certain explanation on is things like how the big bang and such occurred. But that doesn't make god a better answer.

People said we will never fly, and we will never get to the moon, etc, etc. Be careful when saying what science will never do.

Edit: And if you agree that bears tore people up in that passage I don't see what you disagree with.

The age of the earth will never be accurate. I will say that. We will really NEVER know either. So why bother? We can't even figure out when people are born in other countries...how are we going to figure out how old the earth is?

I explained the problem with your little ["funny"] meme. You must've overlooked it.

Here it is again:

The [NASB] 2 Kings 2:23-24 passage:

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.

Can you see a difference in your "funny" meme that says "God sent bears" and what the actual passage says? Big difference. What your "funny" meme is is illogical and illiterate.

I Wear Pants

Don't try to belittle me by putting "little" in front of things. That's simply childish.

We can get a pretty good idea of the age of the earth with various methods of science. And of course you may expect me to explain all of them in detail but I am not a scientist let alone one in that field.

Which is another thing, theists often expect atheists to be experts in biology and other fields which is unfair.

OSH

I Wear Pants;1149678 wrote:Don't try to belittle me by putting "little" in front of things. That's simply childish.

We can get a pretty good idea of the age of the earth with various methods of science. And of course you may expect me to explain all of them in detail but I am not a scientist let alone one in that field.

Which is another thing, theists often expect atheists to be experts in biology and other fields which is unfair.

What is childish? That...or...being completely belittling a sacred religious text through illiteracy?

And what is a "pretty good idea of the age of the earth?" Was it 20 to 400 million years old? Which is a difference of 380 million years! Or is it 80 to 100 million years old? A difference of 20 million years.

Or is it, as Wikipedia reports...

4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 10[SUP]9[/SUP] years ± 1%).

What exactly is "a pretty good idea?" How much leniency is given to science?

I Wear Pants

That seems relatively accurate to me.

Or you'd rather assume it's 6000 years old because one book you like says it is I take it.

And now I'm illiterate too. Glad we're acting like adults.

pmoney25

I Wear Pants;1149665 wrote:

You are absolutely right. Which is why most people who are atheists are agnostic atheists. I don't know that there is no god(s), I have just seen zero evidence that suggests there is one or that god(s) are a more likely explanation for, well, anything.

I think what seems like god and science being at odds isn't really that at all. It's just that there is a very deliberate attempt by the world religions that's been going on for a very, very long time to dispute any science that either does or seems to refute parts of their holy books (written thousands of years ago likely by uneducated people).

I have no problem with religion but when I'm debating it with people it frustrates me and many other atheists when the theist in the discussion doesn't want to debate with logic and such. If you aren't willing to debate in that manner then why even bother? (Not saying you did this or do this, just an example).

I agree. Like I mentioned earlier, I spent a good chunk of my life being an atheist so I really do get your side of the arguement.

I honestly believe that the reason for our existence is to figure life out. Since the beginning, we have been constantly moving forward and looking for answers to lifes questions. How do we keep warm? How do we move our possessions without carrying them on our backs? How do we Fly? How do we communicate around the world? and many many more. That is why I don't think Science and God cannot be on the same page. I do not believe the Earth is 6000 years old or believe that someone lived inside a whale or that donkeys and snakes talk. I believe God wants us to achieve our full potential and when we do, that we may eventually all live in paradise. However I believe that God wants us to do this on our own and without interference from him. So that is why we have sin and have free will to believe in him.

I Wear Pants

Can I ask why you believe that? Also, are we talking about the Christian god or what?

OSH

I Wear Pants;1149688 wrote:That seems relatively accurate to me.

Or you'd rather assume it's 6000 years old because one book you like says it is I take it.

And now I'm illiterate too. Glad we're acting like adults.

You tell me how that meme you posted isn't Biblically illiterate. Please. It definitely doesn't accurately portray 2 Kings properly. It's the same sort of Biblical illiteracy that MANY preachers/pastors/priests/etc. use when they quote Matthew 18:20:

"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."

I cringe every time I hear some clergy-person say that. Every time it is said completely out of context.

I told you what I'd rather "assume" in regards to the age of the earth. And that was, "not even worry about it." Why? Because it doesn't matter. We never will know -- unless God tells us (that is, if He exists, right?). So some claim 20-400 million years...or 80-100 million years...or 4.54 billion years (can't forget the plus/minus .05 billion years there either)...and that is accurate? There's a difference from 20 million years to 4.54 billion (again, plus/minus some). That's a big gap. And...it'll only get worse as science continues to go-round and round with it.

I'd rather not worry about it. It's not like someone is actually going to say..."hey, you got it, you figured out that the earth was born on January 1 of 4,542,134,198 years ago!"

DeyDurkie5

Con_Alma;1149553 wrote:He does want you to follow Him, but if he made you, you wouldn't be following him for good purpose but rather because you were being forced to. He wants you to follow him out of love.

Clearly there hasn't been a response or you would believe. If it were a response that's required for your belief then it wouldn't take much faith at all would it?

You didn't capatalize he, you are fucked con alma. You owe two hail mary's and buttsex with the wife. that is the only way to save you after this horrendous error.

Skyhook79;1149642 wrote:That statement made me think of this:

The Good Person: WOW! All this time I didn’t think you were real… My bad. but I was a “good person”, so I guess it’s all good, right?
God: No, it’s not “all good”
The Good Person: HA HA, I know you’re kidding… I mean it’s not like I was Hitler or anything, I was a good person, and went out of my way to help… most of the time.
God: I’m not laughing .. in fact your rejection of me makes me extremely sad.
The Good Person: Okay, Okay… I’m sorry.. But come on.. I went to Church.
God: You went a few times, but never invited me into your heart … By the way: your Aunt Nancy, the one who I brought home last year… the one who tried to open your heart to me… she says hello.. She’s hangs out in my Throne Room with me every day.
The Good Person: Aunt Nancy? The weird Jesus Freak? Ah, she was so annoying… Always wanting me to pray with her… Come on, you have to admit, she was just a little weird, right?
God: Excuse me! I happen to love her passion about the gift of my Son… You know, I sent Him to die for everyone… this included YOU. This was MY SON… MY ONLY SON… I sent Him to suffer FOR YOU. I sent Him to endure the most painful death imaginable, FOR YOU. And yet, you rejected every single invitation.
The Good Person: I was just joking, you know that… you’re God, right?
God: I am God. A reality you clearly rejected until you met me face to face. And, I know your heart… I know what you call “a joke” was really an attempt to justify your rejection of Me.
The Good Person: So I messed up… OK, I’m sorry… Don’t you forgive people like me?
God: I gave you every resource imaginable to accept the gift of my Son while you were alive, but you rejected Him… You rejected the Cross….
I gave you my Word, the Bible, the ultimate instruction manual, and you choose to listen only to those who would try to disprove it — but never could.
I told you how I created everything, but you choose to place more faith in coming from nothing, a “big bang”… I mean seriously… you thought you came from NOTHING?
You tried to publicly undermine the significance of MY SON by repeatedly demeaning my followers by referring to them as “freaks” or “holy rollers” and a whole host of other names.
You always knew in your heart that there was a something more to life, but you never thought I was important enough to seek out.
I told you through your Aunt Nancy to give up the ways of the world — they would lead to nowhere, but you laughed at her and chose to embrace worldly behaviors, without reservation…. and I know about each one of them.
You supported causes that rejected me, and then you turned around and cursed, mocked and blamed me when things didn’t work out.
…. unfortunately, you became your own god, of yourself…..
The Good Person: So what now?
God: I’m sorry, I don’t know you.

That was the gayest story I've ever seen. Also, you are creepy skyhook. Holy shit, aree you cats gone wild??? It all makes sense.

I Wear Pants

OSH;1149697 wrote:You tell me how that meme you posted isn't Biblically illiterate. Please. It definitely doesn't accurately portray 2 Kings properly. It's the same sort of Biblical illiteracy that MANY preachers/pastors/priests/etc. use when they quote Matthew 18:20:

I cringe every time I hear some clergy-person say that. Every time it is said completely out of context.

I told you what I'd rather "assume" in regards to the age of the earth. And that was, "not even worry about it." Why? Because it doesn't matter. We never will know -- unless God tells us (that is, if He exists, right?). So some claim 20-400 million years...or 80-100 million years...or 4.54 billion years (can't forget the plus/minus .05 billion years there either)...and that is accurate? There's a difference from 20 million years to 4.54 billion (again, plus/minus some). That's a big gap. And...it'll only get worse as science continues to go-round and round with it.

I'd rather not worry about it. It's not like someone is actually going to say..."hey, you got it, you figured out that the earth was born on January 1 of 4,542,134,198 years ago!"

Dude, the exact date isn't the point. It's the general age that helps us understand other things. Who is claiming 20 million years? I've not seen that. The generally accepted model right now is around 4.5 billion years as far as I'm aware. You see something we don't have all the answers for and think either it means god is a viable answer or that it doesn't matter since we'll never know. Well we likely won't be able to prove god(s) exist or don't so what's the point of worshiping them.

Person got called bald, bears killed people. That's all that mattered in the comic. And I don't see why you're getting butthurt over a comic anyway.

pmoney25

Yea the Christian God. I am a Christian. I believe the way I do because I asked the same questions that you do. I went out and looked for the answers and my search got me to the point that I am now. I believe that the way to heaven is through Christ and to accept him as my savior and to treat other well for like Skyhook posted earlier, those are the two great commandments. I believe the Bible has a lot of great teachings in it and can be a guide on how to live your life. However I also understand that a lot of the Bible was written as a reflection of the Culture of the time. Not all of the early church fathers believed the accounts of the Old Testament to be 100% accurate. Many well respected and great thinkers of the time.

My idea of faith is that God gave us free will. That God gives us the choice to believe. So that is why I believe that God really does not interfere with Day to Day life and that it is up to us to figure out how to improve our lives. That the tools God gave us (our hearts and minds) can be used to create miracles(cures, inventions that improve life.) I believe that God gave us the ability to do those things because that is what paradise is really about. Freedom of the heart and mind to improve our lives and those around us. I believe that is what God and Christ want from us. If God were to just reveal himself and give the answers it would really defeat the purpose of living in my opinion. That finding the answers on our own will make us appreciate this little precious time we have and gain a better understanding of how great all this is. So I guess that is the best I can answer your question. I may be wrong and maybe I should believe the Bible to be 100% accurate and follow it to a T. It is possible I am wrong about all of it and I can accept that. However, I do not believe I am wrong and I believe that when my time comes I will be with Christ.

OSH

I Wear Pants;1149707 wrote:Dude, the exact date isn't the point. It's the general age that helps us understand other things. Who is claiming 20 million years? I've not seen that. The generally accepted model right now is around 4.5 billion years as far as I'm aware.

Person got called bald, bears killed people. That's all that mattered in the comic. And I don't see why you're getting butthurt over a comic anyway.

The exact date isn't the point...right. But being plus/minus 500 million years is terrible! That's not that good of accuracy there. The 20 million years was the first (or one of the first) "guess" by science. This accepted model changes so regularly. But, I guess that's alright because it's "science."

No butthurt here. People get "called out" over inaccuracies all the time. I just pointed out that the meme is VERY inaccurate in what it's trying to be "funny" or "sarcastic" about Christianity and Judaism's holy scripture. If they are going to do it...at least be accurate. If you are going to use it, at least make sure it is legitimate. It is no different than a Christian claiming something different than what Darwin or some other scientist actually claimed. I would come up with an example...but apparently you haven't understood why I "called out" that meme thus far. Continuing on about it won't do any good.

sleeper

pmoney25;1149650 wrote:If matter was not created at one point then the Universe must be eternal although all scientific evidence points to the fact that the Universe is not eternal. So it had to have had a beginning and the Logical conclusion is that something must have created it. What that is can be up for debate but if it was Created which all evidence supports that it was, based off your arguement God could have done that.

Why does something have to create it? Why is that "something" the Christian God? If you say "God did it", don't you have to make the even greater leap to assume something greater created that God? And so on and so on.

I've said it before and I'll say again. Religion is for the weak who have no money, no intelligence, and want to feel special or that if they dedicate their boring pathetic lives to "god" that they will be rewarded after they die. It's an adult fairy tale and luckily for people like me, it's losing its grasp on the minds of the people slowly but surely. Once we put these fairy tales behind us, then we can start solving big boy problems that God is too lazy to solve.

Like I said, next time you get sick, just pray. Let me know how that works out for you. LOL

I Wear Pants

pmoney25;1149710 wrote:Yea the Christian God. I am a Christian. I believe the way I do because I asked the same questions that you do. I went out and looked for the answers and my search got me to the point that I am now. I believe that the way to heaven is through Christ and to accept him as my savior and to treat other well for like Skyhook posted earlier, those are the two great commandments. I believe the Bible has a lot of great teachings in it and can be a guide on how to live your life. However I also understand that a lot of the Bible was written as a reflection of the Culture of the time. Not all of the early church fathers believed the accounts of the Old Testament to be 100% accurate. Many well respected and great thinkers of the time.

My idea of faith is that God gave us free will. That God gives us the choice to believe. So that is why I believe that God really does not interfere with Day to Day life and that it is up to us to figure out how to improve our lives. That the tools God gave us (our hearts and minds) can be used to create miracles(cures, inventions that improve life.) I believe that God gave us the ability to do those things because that is what paradise is really about. Freedom of the heart and mind to improve our lives and those around us. I believe that is what God and Christ want from us. If God were to just reveal himself and give the answers it would really defeat the purpose of living in my opinion. That finding the answers on our own will make us appreciate this little precious time we have and gain a better understanding of how great all this is. So I guess that is the best I can answer your question. I may be wrong and maybe I should believe the Bible to be 100% accurate and follow it to a T. It is possible I am wrong about all of it and I can accept that. However, I do not believe I am wrong and I believe that when my time comes I will be with Christ.

I have never understood this. Why would that be?

To me this idea seems to usually be used to separate people into "true believers" and such. As in, "if he doesn't reveal himself only true believers will believe and if he shows himself everyone will believe". Which seems silly to me. (You didn't say that or insinuate it, just how I've seen it used before, an anecdote)

So how do you reconcile the question of how god came to be and such and why he's seemingly so cool with so many terrible things happening? And since you said the Christian god is the one you believe in do you also believe he is all knowing and all powerful and omnipresent like most Christians? Because if so I can't find any reason outside of he is himself evil for him to create and allow as much bad as there is in the world (and if he is all knowing, all powerful, and omnipresent he would have created and therefore be responsible for everything).

I just don't see how that's a very likely answer. Also please don't take this as me attacking you. I know I'm asking a lot of questions but people like you who seem to have a more cerebral and less indoctrinated belief in Christianity intrigue me.

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I think its funny how faith has to be how we are "saved". Why does God rely on faith?

It's seriously a crock of shit. People need to grow up.

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