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Ohio State Next Season

  • se-alum
    thedynasty1998 wrote:There's no doubt in my mind OSU should be better next year.
    I think alot is being put on the shoulders of 5 unproven Freshman. I don't know how you could say OSU should be better next year. I think the correct word is "could".
  • Cleveland Buck
    If Turner were to come back next year the Buckeyes would be a preseason top 2 or 3 team and legitimate title contender. Unfortunately, you have a better chance of seeing me suit for the Buckeyes next season then you do Evan Turner.
  • Laley23
    For APR nothing really matters. Kids leaving early will always hurt the program unless by chance they are able to have a grade constituting "good standing".

    Kids not enrolling hurts the APR because they "drop-out". Kids enrolling now and dropping out before April 12 will still be "drop-outs". If he doesnt drop out but stops going to classes and misses the final etc, than more than likely he will have a poor grade(s) and in the end will still hurt the APR.
  • centralbucksfan
    Laley23 wrote: For APR nothing really matters. Kids leaving early will always hurt the program unless by chance they are able to have a grade constituting "good standing".

    Kids not enrolling hurts the APR because they "drop-out". Kids enrolling now and dropping out before April 12 will still be "drop-outs". If he doesnt drop out but stops going to classes and misses the final etc, than more than likely he will have a poor grade(s) and in the end will still hurt the APR.
    If Turner does not withdraw before OSU April 12th deadline, then decides to not go to class, or drop out(samething), it hurts the APR. That is fact.
    If Turner chose to NOT enroll, it wouldn't affect the APR. But now that he has enrolled, if he doesn't withdraw by the deadline above, then goes attend...it goes against the APR.

    Per article in Dispatch:
    " He has until April 12 to withdraw from school and avoid triggering an Academic Progress Rate penalty that could cost the basketball program a future scholarship, as Greg Oden and Kosta Koufos did with belated withdrawals in 2007 and '08, respectively.

    The deadline for underclassmen to enter the NBA draft is midnight April 25.
  • Laley23
    ^^Im pretty sure it would still hurt. The voice of the Bucks was just on the radio in Toledo (I forget his name) and he was saying that Turner enrolled so it wouldnt hurt the Bucks like Oden and Koufous did by not enrolling.

    I could be wrong. The whole thing is so retarded that I tried to read the stipulations and got pissed and bored so I stopped after the first paragraph.:D
  • centralbucksfan
    Laley23 wrote: ^^Im pretty sure it would still hurt. The voice of the Bucks was just on the radio in Toledo (I forget his name) and he was saying that Turner enrolled so it wouldnt hurt the Bucks like Oden and Koufous did by not enrolling.

    I could be wrong. The whole thing is so retarded that I tried to read the stipulations and got pissed and bored so I stopped after the first paragraph.:D
    It is confusing. But having gone thru this with OSU the past few years...I do know for a fact that athletes enrolling, and not withdrawing in time from schools withdraw date, hurts the APR.
  • Laley23
    centralbucksfan wrote:
    Laley23 wrote: ^^Im pretty sure it would still hurt. The voice of the Bucks was just on the radio in Toledo (I forget his name) and he was saying that Turner enrolled so it wouldnt hurt the Bucks like Oden and Koufous did by not enrolling.

    I could be wrong. The whole thing is so retarded that I tried to read the stipulations and got pissed and bored so I stopped after the first paragraph.:D
    It is confusing. But having gone thru this with OSU the past few years...I do know for a fact that athletes enrolling, and not withdrawing in time from schools withdraw date, hurts the APR.
    Yeah, I knew that, that part is the obvious part because they obviously arent "Progressing Academically". I just get confused on whether it hurts if a kid simply never enrolls for his next semester. I thought it did, but could be wrong.
  • Big Gain
    mallymal614 wrote: I guess we can now discuss the possibilities for next year’s buckeyes. Of course a lot of it depends on whether or not Evan Turner returns. If he does decide to return (which is a slim possibility) the Buckeyes are preseason #1 or #2 in the national polls in my opinion. If not, they probably ranked in the top 15 because they still will have four starters back and a top recruiting class coming in. Like others have mention, my main concern will be the point guard position assuming Turner doesn’t come back. I heard ideas about possibly Lighty or Diebler running it, but I don’t think they are nearly the ball handler Turner is. It’s one thing to bring the ball up the court with no pressure but against a pressing team, could they really handle it? Hopefully one of the incoming freshmen Craft, Smith, or Sibert can fill the void. To sum everything up, I think this team is capable of at least another sweet 16 appearance. It will come down to the point guard position whether or not they are final four ball club.
    Turner wasn't that great of a ball handler until he worked at it 4 hours a day every day since the end of his Sophomore season. If Lighty worked on his handle as much as Turner did over the past year I'd prefer a fifth year Senior running the offense as opposed to any of the Freshman. One of whom can hopefully share time with Lighty and learn on the job.
  • Big Gain
    sportchampps wrote: Sullinger better get more minutes then Dallas.
    One thing for sure, Sullinger can't go for more than 20-25 minutes unless he puts forth the effort to get in Big Ten shape.
  • Big Gain
    centralbucksfan wrote:
    mallymal614 wrote: Playing without Evan Turner this season is a lot different than it will be next. We must realize that players across the country progress each year, so players like Buford, Lighty, and Diebler should be improved. With the freshmen class coming in, it can provide depth that the team lacked, especially when Turner was out. There is no doubt OSU will be much better if Turner decides to come back, but I don’t think they will have the same struggles without him next season as they did this one.
    I don't disagree with this statement at all. My point was how special Turner is. His presence on the floor alone, makes everyone else so much better. Sure they will improve...no question. Just as they did from last year to this. But for them to be THAT much better without Turner...is a stretch IMO. I see NO way next years team will be better without Turner. OSU is a better team next year, WITH Turner.
    I think the confusion is...are they better then this years team? Certain area's, yes. But again, Turner is the guy who does so much, breaks down a defense, rebounds, assists, and a player who is able to make something...out of nothing as the shot clock runs down.
    I think this OSU team this year, was pretty special to be honest. The exceeded everyone expectations. I thought they would be good...but not this good. They clicked, they played very well together, they accepted their roles, very coachable, etc, etc. Yes, they lacked depth, and a post presence. Which makes it even more impressive with what they did.
    I am pumped for the future. But I am not expecting a better team next year without Turner on the floor. Hopefully I am wrong and pleasantly surprised. I just can't yet count on true frosh who have yet to step foot on a college campus. Experience goes a LONG way. All you have to do is look at the final four this year to see that.
    As you said, this team overachieved. It's quite obvious if Matta wants to get back to the Fina Four he better get busy and recruit some athletic 6-8 to 6-10 players instead of so many guards. Look at the highly regarded 2011 class. Only ONE post player, 3 guards and a 6-6 tweener. OSU's weakness this year will still be a weakness next year, with or without Turner.
  • Big Gain
    Wooball wrote:

    I agree PG is a very important position, but WVU, even with Truck Bryant did not have great PG play. MSU won yesterday despite Korrie Lucious trying to blow the game for them. They basically used their center/power forward to run offense the last 5 minutes of the game. So while it makes it easier to have a high quality point, I still think that next years team could have more post season success than this years.
    WHAT??? You didn't watch WVU against Kentucky? Backup PG Joe Mazulla was the single biggest factor in WVU winning that game.
  • Big Gain
    ThumperAC wrote: I cannot wait for next year!

    I predict this starting lineup (Turner is going to cash his lottery check)

    1-Jordan Sibert
    2-William Buford
    3-David Lighty
    4-Deshaun Thomas
    5-Jared Sullinger

    I have watched Sibert and Sullinger each a few times in person the last two years and I am confident they will start. Also, watching Thomas go against Northland this year, the kid was very impressive, he can handle the ball and has a great jumper. I am very interested to see how Diebler and Lauderdale fit in, but I really do not see either of them starting next year. We also have Craft, Smith, and Weatherspoon coming in too. I have not seen Craft or Smith in person so I really cannot comment on them.
    Sibert, Thomas and Sullinger are no where near in the same class as Conley, Cook and Oden. If Kentucky can't get to the Final Four this year with their Freshman, Ohio State won't make it to the Sweet 16 next year with their Freshmen.
  • Big Gain
    Hb31187 wrote: Craft will start at the point, at least from what ive seen from him playing. Hes one of the best on ball defenders of the freshman class next year, is very smart, and doesnt turn the ball over. He doesnt look to score much and distributes...which is damn good when you're surrounded by 4 scorers next year whenever you're on the court. He'll be kinda like Travis Walton from MSU, sets up the offense and plays lock up D
    Craft doesn't look to score? He averaged 25/game this year. Some think Matta didn't get the best PG in Ohio's class. Lima CC played against Craft for 4 years, as well as Lima Senior and Lima CC's head coach of 32 years said the kid going to Robert Morris is better.
  • Big Gain
    BigAppleBuckeye wrote: Whoever does start, I just want to see a big man PLAY like a BIG man ... besides Oden, only a handful of Buckeyes over the past 15 years or so come to mind as someone you can trust in the paint to hit a high-percentage shot, block shots, grab boards, etc. Ken Johnson and George Reese are others that fit that mold, but it seems like we are ALWAYS on the wrong end of the rebounding battles.
    How soon they forget Terrence Dials.
  • Big Gain
    devil1197 wrote:
    mallymal614 wrote: Plus no one expected Mike Conely to be the type of player he was as a freshman. Hopefully Craft can surprise us as well.
    Exactly, Conley was a great bonus from getting Oden a bonus that many OSU fans overlooked early on.

    Craft could be that bonus coming to OSU with this great class around him and the solid talent already playing for OSU.
    Conley was a 5 Star, Craft is a 3 Star.
  • Hb31187
    Big Gain wrote:
    Hb31187 wrote: Craft will start at the point, at least from what ive seen from him playing. Hes one of the best on ball defenders of the freshman class next year, is very smart, and doesnt turn the ball over. He doesnt look to score much and distributes...which is damn good when you're surrounded by 4 scorers next year whenever you're on the court. He'll be kinda like Travis Walton from MSU, sets up the offense and plays lock up D
    Craft doesn't look to score? He averaged 25/game this year. Some think Matta didn't get the best PG in Ohio's class. Lima CC played against Craft for 4 years, as well as Lima Senior and Lima CC's head coach of 32 years said the kid going to Robert Morris is better.
    When I saw him play it was on his AAU team and in Showcases when hes surrounded by other talent. Like he will be at OSU. Obviously he can score if he wants...but he has no problem setting up an offense and D'ing up
  • Hb31187
    And Matta isnt exactly cleaning up on Ohio point guards.

    Devon Moore, Andrew Lavender, Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
  • Classyposter58
    Big Gain wrote: Conley was a 5 Star, Craft is a 3 Star.
    Craft is a 4 Star and the #18 PG in the country and is the highest rated PG in the state of Ohio. One thing that jumps out at me about this Buckeye team is depth especially if ET returns. You were rite though Dials was a great big man for the Buckeyes but obviously too many on here have short memories
  • mallymal614
    Hb31187 wrote: And Matta isnt exactly cleaning up on Ohio point guards.

    Devon Moore, Andrew Lavender, Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
    Matta wasn't the head coach at OSU when Drew Lavender was a senior in high school. Jim O'Brien was, which is why Drew went to Oklahoma instead (before transferring to Xavier).
  • Prescott
    Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
    I don't think Trey Burke is rated that highly by the recruiting sites.
  • centralbucksfan
    Hb31187 wrote: And Matta isnt exactly cleaning up on Ohio point guards.

    Devon Moore, Andrew Lavender, Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
    Please...before you make comments as above...do your research and know what your talking about. Lavender? lol
  • centralbucksfan
    Prescott wrote:
    Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
    I don't think Trey Burke is rated that highly by the recruiting sites.
    He isn't. Thats why he is headed to PSU. And maybe he turns out/develops into something very good. Who knows. All his offers were from mid major schools.
  • Wooball
    Big Gain wrote:
    Wooball wrote:

    I agree PG is a very important position, but WVU, even with Truck Bryant did not have great PG play. MSU won yesterday despite Korrie Lucious trying to blow the game for them. They basically used their center/power forward to run offense the last 5 minutes of the game. So while it makes it easier to have a high quality point, I still think that next years team could have more post season success than this years.
    WHAT??? You didn't watch WVU against Kentucky? Backup PG Joe Mazulla was the single biggest factor in WVU winning that game.

    Did I say that Mazulla didn't play out of his ass against UK? I was just stating that overall this year that WVU didn't have great pg play, but was still able to have a more than a successful year. But thanks for pointing out that even a below average offensive player that plays good defense and can handle the rock can step up in a big game and hit open shots and drive the ball to the hoop when left wide open. Also, see Chris Kramer v Texas A&M.
  • Wooball
    centralbucksfan wrote:
    Hb31187 wrote: And Matta isnt exactly cleaning up on Ohio point guards.

    Devon Moore, Andrew Lavender, Trey Burke, and those are just off the top of my head. He missed out on those 3 from right under his nose in Columbus
    Please...before you make comments as above...do your research and know what your talking about. Lavender? lol
    I know, I mean why didn't Matta recruit this kid to Ohio State when he was still at Xavier?
  • thedynasty1998
    Lavender's recruitment was a different situation because he was going to be a package deal with Brandon Foust. Most all schools wanted Lavender, but not everyone wanted Foust. I'm not saying that was the situation at Xavier, but I think it was at OSU. If I remember correctly OSU didn't have enough scholarships to offer the both of them, which is why they ended up at Oklahoma.

    I don't know how anyone can criticize Matta's recruiting, other than maybe not preparing for the one and dones correctly. But it hasn't seemed to slow down the success of the program.