Jon Diebler
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karen lotz
Yes he willThumperAC wrote: I could not read through all 4 pages of this, but are people on here really talking about Diebler getting drafter? He will not even start next year! -
cviewWe may not have even been in the Sweet 16 without Jon Diebler. Some of you are dumb fucks. Sure, he played poorly. Still if you told me in the preseason that we would have won the same # of NCAA games as Kansas, Texas, Villanova, UNC, UCONN, Michigan, Louisville, and Georgetown COMBINED I'd have taken it.
Two weeks ago if you told any of us that we went further than Kansas and Villanova and lost in the same round as Syracuse, we'd have all fucking nutted. -
centralbucksfan
Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.
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Laley23
Well, Cousins and Wall played well vs West Virginia. Johnson played well vs Butler. Aldrich played well vs UNI. Collins was pretty bad, but still nowhere near as bad as Diebler.centralbucksfan wrote:
Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.
I do agree though, that it is a silly way to judge a player. But man, Diebler was beyond bad yesterday. Those others you mentioned (Collins was well below par) all had really good games and at times dominated the game for their respective teams. -
I drain 3's
Wait, so you're telling me they defended Simmons like they would have defended Lighty or someone else? My god, it's all starting to make sense now. You really are that retarded. Nobody EVER defends anybody like they're playing against the person that just went out. That is literally one of the most retarded things i've ever heard. So if coaches and players always did that, that would mean lets say if Adam Morrison came in for Kobe, that they would defend Morrison like they were defending Kobe. That is completely, and utterly insane.Big Gain wrote:
You have an ugly ignorant mouth and YOU are the stupid one. You don't pay attention. When Simmons was on the floor making 3 baskets Ohio State lost ground. PAY ATTENTION AGAIN IGNORANT ONE, you ARE the blind one. I will prove it again.I drain 3's wrote:
"Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers" OMG? R U SERIOUS? NO WAY! No shit that's what Matta needed, but he doesn't have that and hasn't had it all year, so you use what you got. What the hell did Diebler give us in the game? A bunch of zero's in the stat column. In the short time Simmons played, he outplayed Diebler. I don't give a shit if Diebler has been good the entire year, you don't get another chance in the tourney, like you would in the regular season. If someone isn't performing, you sit their ass on the bench and put someone in that will. You're so incredibly stupid it's baffling. I literally think you would suck Matta off if given the chance. The guy is a good coach, no doubt about it, but sometimes you have to go against what you usually do. If something you've done all year isn't working, then by god you better find something that does.Big Gain wrote:
Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.I drain 3's wrote:Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????bulldog8 wrote:
That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.SportsAndLady wrote:
It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
More of your lack of intellect is on display.
Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
You mention Simmons lack of height, strength, defense, etc. Diebler is at least 4 inches taller than Simmons. Try and guess how many more rebounds he got than Simmons. NONE! If you're going to try and compare someone's toughness or strength to another player, don't ever use Jon Diebler. That kid is not anywhere close to tough or strong, and not anywhere close to even being considered "good" on defense. Diebler literally did nothing better than Simmons, yet you continue to think that leaving Diebler in was a good idea? Diebler took 4 more shots, in 25+ more minutes and scored 6 points less than Simmons. You honestly believe leaving Diebler in was a good idea?
And please, don't ever tell me i'm blind, because i'm far from it. I've got perfect vision. I can see the mistakes that Ohio State and Matta made in this game, something you fail to do, and have failed to do all year. I can't remember one time where you actually thought Matta made a bad coaching decision. We get it, you like him, but the man makes mistakes, just like every other coach in the nation.
And i'm an immature teenager? You are a LIAR! I am not a teenager, and don't need to use words to back up my toughness, you LIAR!
I'm not "using' Diebler, I'm "using" Lighty when talking about Simmons being on the floor. Did your simple mind ever stop to think why Simmons made those 3 baskets?? Did you ever ponder why Simmons was so wide open when taking those shots? Of course you wouldn't, you're unknowledgeable. Let me educate you once again. When Lighty was on the bench Tennessee didn't change their defensive scheme. They defended Simmons like they were defending Lighty, giving him the outside shot. IF Simmons was in for Diebler they would have defended him like they defended Diebler. They would have had some in his shorts all over the floor, ALL of the time, just like they did to Diebler. Only it would have been even harder for Simmons to get a good shot since he's 4 inches shorter and doesn't have Diebler's motor. Yep you're smarter than Matta. Go "suck" yourself off, I bet you've actually done it. An immature ignorant ugly mouthed contortionist.
BTW, it is MUCH worse to be 20 or 30 something and talk, sound, and act like a teenager. I pity your woeful existence.
You defend the person you're playing against, regardless of who they just came in for. Because who they came in for doesn't change that other person's game at all. I'm positive Tennessee wouldn't have been up in Simmons jock like they were Diebler, because he's NOT Diebler.
And really, I don't give a fuck about how I act on here. It's a god damn internet message board. You can use all the big ass words and pretend like you're something special all you want. When it comes down to it, you're no better than me. -
centralbucksfan
Laley, I'd like to believe your smart enough to get the jist of my above comment. One game, or your last game does NOT define a player. If that were the case, Larry Bird would be a bust as well. For those old enough to remember, he did't play very well in the 79 title game.Laley23 wrote:
Well, Cousins and Wall played well vs West Virginia. Johnson played well vs Butler. Aldrich played well vs UNI. Collins was pretty bad, but still nowhere near as bad as Diebler.centralbucksfan wrote:
Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.thedynasty1998 wrote: I know people will come on here and defend him for his first 2 games in the tourney, but you are only as good as your last game.
I do agree though, that it is a silly way to judge a player. But man, Diebler was beyond bad yesterday. Those others you mentioned (Collins was well below par) all had really good games and at times dominated the game for their respective teams.
Bottom line, Dynasty has a hard on for Diebler. Any time he had a chance to drill him (not often this year btw!), he did. And its nausiating and immature.
I am ok with criticizing a player, and have said Diebler didn't play well at all. But neither did Lauderdale. Why not start a thread about him? Buford started hot, then did nothing much at all, along with taking some very questionable quick shots. No thread about him? Its quite obvious why this idiotic thread was started. -
Laley23
Oh i got the jist. I just wanted to point out that those players actually did show up to play in their games. I was shocked at how bad Diebler was. But at the same time, I was stunned at how good he was all year.
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TheMightyGators
That makes absolutely no sense, and couldn't be further from the truth.Big Gain wrote:
PAY ATTENTION AGAIN IGNORANT ONE, you ARE the blind one. I will prove it again.I drain 3's wrote:
"Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers" OMG? R U SERIOUS? NO WAY! No shit that's what Matta needed, but he doesn't have that and hasn't had it all year, so you use what you got. What the hell did Diebler give us in the game? A bunch of zero's in the stat column. In the short time Simmons played, he outplayed Diebler. I don't give a shit if Diebler has been good the entire year, you don't get another chance in the tourney, like you would in the regular season. If someone isn't performing, you sit their ass on the bench and put someone in that will. You're so incredibly stupid it's baffling. I literally think you would suck Matta off if given the chance. The guy is a good coach, no doubt about it, but sometimes you have to go against what you usually do. If something you've done all year isn't working, then by god you better find something that does.Big Gain wrote:
Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.I drain 3's wrote:Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????bulldog8 wrote:
That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.SportsAndLady wrote:
It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
More of your lack of intellect is on display.
Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
You mention Simmons lack of height, strength, defense, etc. Diebler is at least 4 inches taller than Simmons. Try and guess how many more rebounds he got than Simmons. NONE! If you're going to try and compare someone's toughness or strength to another player, don't ever use Jon Diebler. That kid is not anywhere close to tough or strong, and not anywhere close to even being considered "good" on defense. Diebler literally did nothing better than Simmons, yet you continue to think that leaving Diebler in was a good idea? Diebler took 4 more shots, in 25+ more minutes and scored 6 points less than Simmons. You honestly believe leaving Diebler in was a good idea?
And please, don't ever tell me i'm blind, because i'm far from it. I've got perfect vision. I can see the mistakes that Ohio State and Matta made in this game, something you fail to do, and have failed to do all year. I can't remember one time where you actually thought Matta made a bad coaching decision. We get it, you like him, but the man makes mistakes, just like every other coach in the nation.
And i'm an immature teenager? You are a LIAR! I am not a teenager, and don't need to use words to back up my toughness, you LIAR!
I'm not "using' Diebler, I'm "using" Lighty when talking about Simmons being on the floor. Did your simple mind ever stop to think why Simmons made those 3 baskets?? Did you ever ponder why Simmons was so wide open when taking those shots? Of course you wouldn't, you're unknowledgeable. Let me educate you once again. When Lighty was on the bench Tennessee didn't change their defensive scheme. They defended Simmons like they were defending Lighty, giving him the outside shot. IF Simmons was in for Diebler they would have defended him like they defended Diebler. They would have had some in his shorts all over the floor, ALL of the time, just like they did to Diebler. Only it would have been even harder for Simmons to get a good shot since he's 4 inches shorter and doesn't have Diebler's motor.
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thedynasty1998
What point are you trying to make that I was wrong about some things? Where is your tournament bracket? I'm sure that you have every single game right huh?centralbucksfan wrote: To show how intelligent Dynasty is when it comes to basketball:
1. thought OSU would be LUCKY to make NCAA
2. Said OSU would be NO better then they were last year.
3. Didn't think Turner was close to the best player in college
4. Thought UK was going to drill WVU.
So Diebler had an off game? Big figgen deal. I assume Dynasty, as he claimed to play college ball...played GREAT every game? Guess what, its a game, similar to golf, that NO ONE can perfect.
How about talking about Dieblier prior 6/7 games? He was huge in the Big Ten, as well as the first 2 NCAA games.
On top of that, he was far from the only one who played poorly. If he had single handidly lost the game...ok, criticism is legit.
This is your your typical HATE on Deibler. I swear, the guy banged your GF or worse yet, your mom. Get over it. And your an OSU fan? A pitiful one at that. You actually sit and wait for Diebler to have a bad game so you can start a thread like this. Your a joke at times.
Again, Deibler iis what he is....a spot up 3 pt shooter. He is a perfect fit for this OSU team. He is ONE OF THE BEST 3pt shooters in the country, period. Accept what he is, and deal with it.
1. I said that after Turner got hurt and OSU was like 1-4 in the Big 10. 2. I don't ever remember saying that and it would have been stupid for me to do so when they had the entire team returning minus Mullens. You are stretching here.
It was an opinion. I was wrong.
3. I said Turner would get POY, I still don't think he's the best.
4. Yea, again I had an opinion. I thought Kentucky would win. Again, let me see your bracket.
Diebler didn't have an "off game". He didn't show up. There is a difference. An off game is when you can't make a shot. Not showing up is when you don't contribute anything at all. Don't act like you are so stupid to not know the difference.
And if you want to pull up my boxscores from college, I was highly consistent. So you are stretching again.
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thedynasty1998
Not exactly. Wall and Cousins actually played pretty well. I think Johnson did as well. They contributed to their teams although in a losing effort.centralbucksfan wrote: Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.
All offseason everyone basically remembers the last performance. Everyone is thinking about all the potential of Pryor and the developement he's made, because he played well in the Rose Bowl. Well Diebler is on the other end of the spectrum, as on the biggest stage, he played possibly the worst game of his career. -
centralbucksfan
U sure about that? Wall 7 of 18, 5 turnovers, 4-8 from FT. Thats good? Cousins? Did he dominate and get his 20/13 you said he would? More like 15/8 with 5 turnovers and foul trouble...as I predicted. Did you even watch? Neither one played that well at all.thedynasty1998 wrote:
Not exactly. Wall and Cousins actually played pretty well. I think Johnson did as well. They contributed to their teams although in a losing effort.centralbucksfan wrote: Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.
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thedynasty1998
I actually didn't see any of the UK game, so I really can't comment. I thought Cousins would have been more dominant, but he wasn't.
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jordo212000
Diebler is a nice kid and shoots the ball pretty well for Ohio State. But he isn't playing in the NBA, I am sorry. You have to be able to create a shot in the NBA on your own and you have to be able to defend on the perimeter. Diebler can't do either. You can sometimes get away with only having one of those, but you have to at least have one. -
centralbucksfan
What does my bracket have to do with how much you hate Deibler and do nothing but bash him? Nothing. Stop trying to change the subject, and admit the obvious.thedynasty1998 wrote: I actually didn't see any of the UK game, so I really can't comment. I thought Cousins would have been more dominant, but he wasn't.
So, you going to post your bracket to show everyone how you don't make bad picks?
Why didn't you start a thread about Lauderdale? He as as bad if not worse. Yet nothing. You have issues pal.
BTW, I have one team left in final four. That would be WVU...the team I said could beat UK, the team you said would dominate WVU.
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vball10setthedynasty1998 wrote:
Not exactly. Wall and Cousins actually played pretty well. I think Johnson did as well. They contributed to their teams although in a losing effort.
??? :huh:thedynasty1998 wrote: I actually didn't see any of the UK game, so I really can't comment. I thought Cousins would have been more dominant, but he wasn't.
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thedynasty1998
Honest to God, I don't know how you can not just be entirely frustrated with Diebler right now. Especially considering how big of an OSU fan you are. I've said before on here, the scoring isn't even my issue. It was his lack of effort. It was like he was sick or didn't care. Did you see the replay of when he got dunked on? The guy made as simple of a move as possible, put his shoulder into his chest and dunked on him. I mean you learn to defend that in 4th grade basketball. He looked like it was the first time he's ever faced a ball screen.
Obviously I've been criticial of Diebler due to his inconsistencies, and I've said all year that when Diebler is playing well, OSU is as good as anyone else in the country. I never expected him to play as bad as he did. I said it above, but it was likely the worst game of his career, and it was on the biggest stage. -
thedynasty1998
It's called looking at the box score and watching Sportscenter. Based on the box scores, it's safe to say that Cousins and Wall didn't play anywhere near as badly as Diebler.vball10set wrote:thedynasty1998 wrote:
Not exactly. Wall and Cousins actually played pretty well. I think Johnson did as well. They contributed to their teams although in a losing effort.
??? :huh:thedynasty1998 wrote: I actually didn't see any of the UK game, so I really can't comment. I thought Cousins would have been more dominant, but he wasn't.
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centralbucksfan
Hey, I was upset with the entire OSU team. Deibler was part of that. I know he didn't play well, but neither did Buford, Lighty or Lauderdale.thedynasty1998 wrote: Honest to God, I don't know how you can not just be entirely frustrated with Diebler right now. Especially considering how big of an OSU fan you are. I've said before on here, the scoring isn't even my issue. It was his lack of effort. It was like he was sick or didn't care. Did you see the replay of when he got dunked on? The guy made as simple of a move as possible, put his shoulder into his chest and dunked on him. I mean you learn to defend that in 4th grade basketball. He looked like it was the first time he's ever faced a ball screen.
Obviously I've been criticial of Diebler due to his inconsistencies, and I've said all year that when Diebler is playing well, OSU is as good as anyone else in the country. I never expected him to play as bad as he did. I said it above, but it was likely the worst game of his career, and it was on the biggest stage.
But OSU had enough offense to win the game. It was defensively witl them allowing dribble penetration that cost them big time.
People want to talk about mismatches vs Tenn and that wasn't the issue. Allowing dribble penetration was the game...it breaks down the defense, forces the bigs to help out, bring them away from the basket and their men, thus allowing guy llike Chism to have a field day at the basket. Team defense was POOR. Deibler was NOT the cause of this loss as you make it out to be. Buford was bitch slapped and couldn't close out either, consistantly getting beat off the dribble. Why not point that out?
OSU defensive performance, as a TEAM, was as bad as I have seen all year long. That was my frustration. There is NO EXCUSE for that. That is effort. Shooting comes and it goes. Defense is and should be consistant.
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TheMightyGators
There's a difference between not playing well, and being absolutely awful. Diebler was absolutely awful. He made one shot in 40 minutes. Otherwise he would have ZERO's across the board. That is nearly impossible to do when playing 40 minutes.centralbucksfan wrote:
U sure about that? Wall 7 of 18, 5 turnovers, 4-8 from FT. Thats good? Cousins? Did he dominate and get his 20/13 you said he would? More like 15/8 with 5 turnovers and foul trouble...as I predicted. Did you even watch? Neither one played that well at all.thedynasty1998 wrote:
Not exactly. Wall and Cousins actually played pretty well. I think Johnson did as well. They contributed to their teams although in a losing effort.centralbucksfan wrote: Well, by those rules...then guys like John Wall, Cousins, Aldrich, Collins, Wes Johnson ALL SUCK! Right? What a stupid comment. Just your typical Diebler bashing.