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  • Mulva
    k_boogy wrote: You can compare the stat lines all you want and if u want to get technical yes buford had 15 well he scored 9 before the first tv timeout, as someone already said, on two wide open layups a wide open 3 and jumper. Then for the rest of the game he goes 1-8 from the field, wierd cuz that stat looks similar to jons shooting, but everyone doesnt see that cuz they see the 5-13 shootin when the ones he did make were gimmes. If jon got those looks at the beginnin and knocked them down people would still be on here shitting on him saying exactly what I said about buford.
    Diebler air balled 2 wide open 3s, so I have no idea what you're talking about. There wasn't a shot in the world that would have been a "gimme" for him last night.
  • ytownfootball
    Pearl said exactly what they were going to try to do, deny Diebler he ball and get OSU in foul trouble. Denying Diebs has been done by Butler, and Minnesota, OSU lost both. Keeping the ball out of Jon's hands isn't tough, he moves poorly without the ball, at least he did last night. Lighty got 2 early, so TN was at least successful in a good part of their game plan. Ohio State could have overcome those things and lets face it nearly did, were it not for getting pounded on the boards, a lack of solid play down low. Madsen and Lauderdale were unlikely to carry this team past a team that was dominant down low like TN.
  • thedynasty1998
    Red_Skin_Pride wrote: Had Deibler been pulled out of the game last night and OSU would have won, you would have been minus Deibler for the next 3 games. It takes FOREVER to get back in rhythm as a pure shooter if the coach pulls you and doesn't allow you to keep shooting...... Why not blame what was clearly our biggest problem? Defense? (or lack thereof) I wasn't nearly as disappointed with Deibler's shooting (because he got very few open looks) as I was with the virtual disappearance of our defense in the paint.
    First off, if poor Jon's confidence or pride gets hurt by being pulled for a few minutes, he needs to give up competitive athletics. Pathetic excuse.

    No one has explained to me why Diebler gave no effort on defense last night. I swear to you if you went back and watched it again, Diebler put his teammates in bad positions and didn't box anyone out and made OSU play defense with 4 guys. Explain that to me?
  • k_boogy
    Mulva wrote:
    k_boogy wrote: You can compare the stat lines all you want and if u want to get technical yes buford had 15 well he scored 9 before the first tv timeout, as someone already said, on two wide open layups a wide open 3 and jumper. Then for the rest of the game he goes 1-8 from the field, wierd cuz that stat looks similar to jons shooting, but everyone doesnt see that cuz they see the 5-13 shootin when the ones he did make were gimmes. If jon got those looks at the beginnin and knocked them down people would still be on here shitting on him saying exactly what I said about buford.
    Diebler air balled 2 wide open 3s, so I have no idea what you're talking about. There wasn't a shot in the world that would have been a "gimme" for him last night.
    My point is bolded thought it was pretty obvious what my point was but I guess not. Like my first sentence said in the original post jon had a bad game.
  • thedynasty1998
    k_boogy wrote: You can compare the stat lines all you want and if u want to get technical yes buford had 15 well he scored 9 before the first tv timeout, as someone already said, on two wide open layups a wide open 3 and jumper. Then for the rest of the game he goes 1-8 from the field, wierd cuz that stat looks similar to jons shooting, but everyone doesnt see that cuz they see the 5-13 shootin when the ones he did make were gimmes. If jon got those looks at the beginnin and knocked them down people would still be on here shitting on him saying exactly what I said about buford.
    I only criticize grammar and punctuation every so often, but you are not texting.

    And what point are you trying to make? Ignore Buford's 9 points? That's just stupid. Buford got his average last night and did his part. Sure when you lose everyone needs to do more, but it's not on Buford. Plus go back and look at Buford's box score, you won't see nearly as many zeros.

    Get a better argument next time.
  • k_boogy
    thedynasty1998 wrote:
    k_boogy wrote: You can compare the stat lines all you want and if u want to get technical yes buford had 15 well he scored 9 before the first tv timeout, as someone already said, on two wide open layups a wide open 3 and jumper. Then for the rest of the game he goes 1-8 from the field, wierd cuz that stat looks similar to jons shooting, but everyone doesnt see that cuz they see the 5-13 shootin when the ones he did make were gimmes. If jon got those looks at the beginnin and knocked them down people would still be on here shitting on him saying exactly what I said about buford.


    I only criticize grammar and punctuation every so often, but you are not texting.
    And what point are you trying to make? Ignore Buford's 9 points? That's just stupid. Buford got his average last night and did his part. Sure when you lose everyone needs to do more, but it's not on Buford. Plus go back and look at Buford's box score, you won't see nearly as many zeros.

    Get a better argument next time.
    Im not quite sure what u are saying about the punctuation and texting, sorry I say u instead of you and I didnt put a g at the end of a couple of words. Pretty sure you understand what Im saying.

    If Diebler had the same game as Buford you would still be on here talking about how bad Diebler was is what my point is. Yes Buford got his average but what did he do in the 2nd half. nevermind the 2nd half past the first tv timeout. You put this game on Dieblers head when really its much more than that.
  • thedynasty1998
    Buford averages 14.4 points and got 15. He averages 6 rebounds and got 4. He averages 3 assists and had 3.

    Diebler averages 13 points and had 3. He averages 3 rebounds and got 0. He averages 1.5 assists and had 0.

    Buford did what he has done all year, Diebler didn't.
  • k_boogy
    thedynasty1998 wrote: Buford averages 14.4 points and got 15. He averages 6 rebounds and got 4. He averages 3 assists and had 3.

    Diebler averages 13 points and had 3. He averages 3 rebounds and got 0. He averages 1.5 assists and had 0.

    Buford did what he has done all year, Diebler didn't.
    OMG you are missing the point here. Im saying if Diebler had the game that Buford had you would still be here saying that Diebler sucks. The way that Buford started he should of had over 20, if you dont see that then I dont know what to tell ya. 9 points (4-5 shooting) in the first 4 minutes, and 6 (1-8 shooting) in the last 36 minutes ya that is acceptable :s.

    Another factor here is they were shadowing Jon everywhere on the floor. Now when this happens someone else has to step up and play bigger than their numbers are, because it is tougher for Jon to get his numbers. Them shadowing Jon also makes it easier for other to do this, they are playing 4 on 4 now with Jons defender not helping on him so when they drive his side that guy does not help. Get it now, I tried to break it down for you. hopefully you can understand.

    It doesnt matter how well or bad jon plays he is scum to you. Im not defending how bad Jon played last night because he played terrible. But I am also saying that he isnt the only one at fault that others did not play very well either. But according to you the loss falls on Dieblers shoulders, fair enough I guess
  • Big Gain
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    "Preaching"? You're a LIAR.

    I NEVER said "All we need is 6 players. You're a LAIR.

    I knew unless Ohio State won the National Title that you're such a fool you would immediately blame Ohio State's lack of talent on their bench as the reason the entire season was a failure. You live in your little world of hate and don't bother to listen to what has been said and read what has been written about what a good job of coaching Matta has done this year. You really should crawl out from under your rock and become learned. You'e the most unknowledgeable hate monger I've ever heard.

    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than Ohio State shot. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game?

    Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game????? The ONLY way for Ohio State could have solved their BIG problem was if Koufos and Mullens was still on the roster.

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.
  • I drain 3's
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.

    Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
  • Heretic
    I think what they're saying is that the skinny and short Simmons (not Hill...I haven't seen him mentioned here) might have made one or two of those three-pointers Diebler was missing. In a three-point loss, one extra three-pointer just might have made a difference. And, well, I doubt Simmons' presence on the floor would have made their inside power game any more potent. It's not like Diebler or anyone else on the floor was doing much to stop it.
  • Swamp Fox
    Ohio State had a nice year but didn't play particularly well in key defensive situations against Tennessee. I can make 2 footers or less. Tennessee was getting cheap baskets the entire fourth quarter. At least it certainly looked like that to me.
  • Al Bundy
    Swamp Fox wrote: Tennessee was getting cheap baskets the entire fourth quarter.
    They had a lot in the second half too :rolleyes:
  • Big Gain
    I drain 3's wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.

    Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
    Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.

    Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
  • I drain 3's
    Big Gain wrote:
    I drain 3's wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.

    Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
    Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.

    Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
    "Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers" OMG? R U SERIOUS? NO WAY! No shit that's what Matta needed, but he doesn't have that and hasn't had it all year, so you use what you got. What the hell did Diebler give us in the game? A bunch of zero's in the stat column. In the short time Simmons played, he outplayed Diebler. I don't give a shit if Diebler has been good the entire year, you don't get another chance in the tourney, like you would in the regular season. If someone isn't performing, you sit their ass on the bench and put someone in that will. You're so incredibly stupid it's baffling. I literally think you would suck Matta off if given the chance. The guy is a good coach, no doubt about it, but sometimes you have to go against what you usually do. If something you've done all year isn't working, then by god you better find something that does.

    You mention Simmons lack of height, strength, defense, etc. Diebler is at least 4 inches taller than Simmons. Try and guess how many more rebounds he got than Simmons. NONE! If you're going to try and compare someone's toughness or strength to another player, don't ever use Jon Diebler. That kid is not anywhere close to tough or strong, and not anywhere close to even being considered "good" on defense. Diebler literally did nothing better than Simmons, yet you continue to think that leaving Diebler in was a good idea? Diebler took 4 more shots, in 25+ more minutes and scored 6 points less than Simmons. You honestly believe leaving Diebler in was a good idea?

    And please, don't ever tell me i'm blind, because i'm far from it. I've got perfect vision. I can see the mistakes that Ohio State and Matta made in this game, something you fail to do, and have failed to do all year. I can't remember one time where you actually thought Matta made a bad coaching decision. We get it, you like him, but the man makes mistakes, just like every other coach in the nation.

    And i'm an immature teenager? You are a LIAR! I am not a teenager, and don't need to use words to back up my toughness, you LIAR!
  • Heretic
    Big Gain wrote:
    I drain 3's wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.

    Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
    Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.

    Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
    Your posts on this thread are really, really, really different from his. :rolleyes: Well, I'll give you the "dirty", as your usage of "fuck" was at least in quotation marks. But the rest...SMH. When you say things like "More of your lack of intellect is on display.", do you really think you'll get a polite response?

    As to the worse defense when Simmons was in for Lighty, that's a good point as far as that goes. I really noticed that last night. But I wasn't surprised. Defense is the cornerstone of Lighty's game, while Simmons is worthless if he's not hitting shots.

    The big thing people are mentioning here, though, is that Diebler wasn't bringing it PERIOD. One shot made, one steal. No rebounds, no assists. Multiple people have mentioned that he wasn't doing much of anything on defense. By giving Simmons a few minutes in the second half, Matta would be replacing an ice cold gunner with a smaller gunner who had hit either 3/4 or 3/5 of his three-point attempts.

    Simmons won't give you anything but offense on the days he's hitting his shots. Last night, Diebler was like that...but without the offense. This was a close game where every possession counted. To me, it simply makes sense to give a hot shooter some time when the team's top pure shooter is completely ineffective.
  • bulldog8
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    "Preaching"? You're a LIAR.

    I NEVER said "All we need is 6 players. You're a LAIR.

    I knew unless Ohio State won the National Title that you're such a fool you would immediately blame Ohio State's lack of talent on their bench as the reason the entire season was a failure. You live in your little world of hate and don't bother to listen to what has been said and read what has been written about what a good job of coaching Matta has done this year. You really should crawl out from under your rock and become learned. You'e the most unknowledgeable hate monger I've ever heard.

    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than Ohio State shot. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game?

    Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game????? The ONLY way for Ohio State could have solved their BIG problem was if Koufos and Mullens was still on the roster.

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.
    Haha you just make me laugh man. There's nothing I love more than saying something to fire you up and hear you come on here and go off on some rage about how I lack intelligence, how i'm a "liar", how i'm wrong, how Matta is always right, and to be quite honest, your posts really indicate that you are so high up on your own opinion that you are always right. I really can't take you seriously anymore because it's always your way, or no way at all. Your inability to accept anyone else's opinion but your own really puts your ignorance on display. My educational background was predicated on accepting others opinions, being respectful to that opinion, and then providing your own analysis of that situation.

    So in regard to your analysis, yes I totally agree that we were out-manned in the paint, we were outperformed on the defensive side of the ball, and most importantly, I think the Volunteers just wanted the W more than we did. However, in a situation like this, to claim that you don't think OSU looked tired last night, or to claim that changing things up by giving Diebler a break and letting Simmons and his hot hand have a shot is a little asinine. Would this have been a "sure" solution? Heck no! But could it possibly be worth a shot. Heck yes! Regardless of the situation, 6 guys didn't get the job done. There were a couple deficiencies on this team and they showed last night. Hopefully the majority of this group will return next year with a solid incoming class to make some noise.
  • Big Gain
    I drain 3's wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    I drain 3's wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than OhioSstate. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game? Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game?????

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.

    Reading the posts that you quoted and your response, where in the fuck do you get the idea that people think Hill and/or Simmons were going to negate what Tennessee did inside? My god, i'm starting to think you really are that fucking stupid. From what i've read and gathered in this thread, nobody is saying that putting Simmons in would have stopped Tennessee inside, that's just ridiculous. However, like you stated, despite all of Tennessee's advantages inside, they only won by 3. Is it not possible that having put Simmons in the outcome would have been different? He had a hot hand at the beginning, maybe that would have continued throughout the game. I mean damn, at least he made some shots, something Diebler sure as hell didn't have very much success doing. Take the fucking blinders off, jesus.
    Where the "fuck" have you been all year?? The whiners on here have wanted to see Hill and Simmons get more playing time every game this year. Ohio State's roster doesn't have what would have solved their BIG problem in this game. Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers. "MY GOD", you're so blind and unknowledgeable all you saw when Simmons HAD to come into the game was his 3 baskets. You failed to notice his lack of height, lack of strength, lack of experience, and lack of defensive abilities which caused Ohio State's lead to diminished, due to Lighty being on the bench. It's painfully obvious your lack of intellect leads to your "fucking" blindness.

    Its also quite obvious your ignorant ugly dirty mouth proves you're nothing more than an immature teenager who feels the need to talk like a tough guy, while hiding behind your computer.
    "Matta needed a couple of 6-8 physical athletic bangers" OMG? R U SERIOUS? NO WAY! No shit that's what Matta needed, but he doesn't have that and hasn't had it all year, so you use what you got. What the hell did Diebler give us in the game? A bunch of zero's in the stat column. In the short time Simmons played, he outplayed Diebler. I don't give a shit if Diebler has been good the entire year, you don't get another chance in the tourney, like you would in the regular season. If someone isn't performing, you sit their ass on the bench and put someone in that will. You're so incredibly stupid it's baffling. I literally think you would suck Matta off if given the chance. The guy is a good coach, no doubt about it, but sometimes you have to go against what you usually do. If something you've done all year isn't working, then by god you better find something that does.

    You mention Simmons lack of height, strength, defense, etc. Diebler is at least 4 inches taller than Simmons. Try and guess how many more rebounds he got than Simmons. NONE! If you're going to try and compare someone's toughness or strength to another player, don't ever use Jon Diebler. That kid is not anywhere close to tough or strong, and not anywhere close to even being considered "good" on defense. Diebler literally did nothing better than Simmons, yet you continue to think that leaving Diebler in was a good idea? Diebler took 4 more shots, in 25+ more minutes and scored 6 points less than Simmons. You honestly believe leaving Diebler in was a good idea?

    And please, don't ever tell me i'm blind, because i'm far from it. I've got perfect vision. I can see the mistakes that Ohio State and Matta made in this game, something you fail to do, and have failed to do all year. I can't remember one time where you actually thought Matta made a bad coaching decision. We get it, you like him, but the man makes mistakes, just like every other coach in the nation.

    And i'm an immature teenager? You are a LIAR! I am not a teenager, and don't need to use words to back up my toughness, you LIAR!
    You have an ugly ignorant mouth and YOU are the stupid one. You don't pay attention. When Simmons was on the floor making 3 baskets Ohio State lost ground. PAY ATTENTION AGAIN IGNORANT ONE, you ARE the blind one. I will prove it again.

    I'm not "using' Diebler, I'm "using" Lighty when talking about Simmons being on the floor. Did your simple mind ever stop to think why Simmons made those 3 baskets?? Did you ever ponder why Simmons was so wide open when taking those shots? Of course you wouldn't, you're unknowledgeable. Let me educate you once again. When Lighty was on the bench Tennessee didn't change their defensive scheme. They defended Simmons like they were defending Lighty, giving him the outside shot. IF Simmons was in for Diebler they would have defended him like they defended Diebler. They would have had some in his shorts all over the floor, ALL of the time, just like they did to Diebler. Only it would have been even harder for Simmons to get a good shot since he's 4 inches shorter and doesn't have Diebler's motor. Yep you're smarter than Matta. Go "suck" yourself off, I bet you've actually done it. An immature ignorant ugly mouthed contortionist.

    BTW, it is MUCH worse to be 20 or 30 something and talk, sound, and act like a teenager. I pity your woeful existence.
  • Big Gain
    bulldog8 wrote:
    Big Gain wrote:
    bulldog8 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    LJ wrote: I don't understand why Matta didn't pull Diebler and put Simmons in when Diebler was cold and forcing it in the 2nd half.
    It was your own fanbase saying all week that "OSU is winning with their 6 players, they don't need a bench, they don't need to change to beat Tennessee, just gotta play their game like they've been doing and they'll win.
    That's because CentralBucksFan and BigGain have been preaching all season about how all we need is 6 players. I've said from day one that this would be their achilles heal and no one wanted to hear it. They couldn't come to terms that it was possible for them to be wrong and that Diebler isn't all "that good." Similarly, they couldn't ever admit that sometimes Matta's decisions aren't the best. I think a little bench time might have done Diebler some good last night. However, not all of us OSU fans were saying all week that we don't need a bench and that we can make a run with just 6 guys. It was only a matter of time until a more physical team just wore us down, someone got into foul trouble (Lighty), and someone shot like a blind man from beyond the arc (Diebler). What I found most sad about Diebler's performance was his defensive effort and the 4 air-balls he threw up. Quite possibly the worst shot selection and some of the ugliest shots i've seen from him this year.
    "Preaching"? You're a LIAR.

    I NEVER said "All we need is 6 players. You're a LAIR.

    I knew unless Ohio State won the National Title that you're such a fool you would immediately blame Ohio State's lack of talent on their bench as the reason the entire season was a failure. You live in your little world of hate and don't bother to listen to what has been said and read what has been written about what a good job of coaching Matta has done this year. You really should crawl out from under your rock and become learned. You'e the most unknowledgeable hate monger I've ever heard.

    Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out rebounded 36-22. Ohio State lost by 3 points and was out scored in the paint by 20 points. Ohio State lost by 3 points and Tennessee shot 14 more shots in the paint than Ohio State shot. How in the hell is playing the skinny 6-0 Hill and 6-2 Simmons more minutes going to solve the one HUGE problem Ohio State had in this game?

    Lauderdale is the only MAN on the Ohio State roster. You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the the 6-10 280 Williams??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-9 250 Chism??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-8 225 Hall??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play 6-7 Prince??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-7 Hopson??? You actually think the skinny and short Hill and Simmons are going to out play the 6-5 235 Pearl??? HOW IN THE HELL is the skinny and short Hill and Simmons going to stop the Tennessee Inside Power Game????? The ONLY way for Ohio State could have solved their BIG problem was if Koufos and Mullens was still on the roster.

    More of your lack of intellect is on display.
    Haha you just make me laugh man. There's nothing I love more than saying something to fire you up and hear you come on here and go off on some rage about how I lack intelligence, how i'm a "liar", how i'm wrong, how Matta is always right, and to be quite honest, your posts really indicate that you are so high up on your own opinion that you are always right. I really can't take you seriously anymore because it's always your way, or no way at all. Your inability to accept anyone else's opinion but your own really puts your ignorance on display. My educational background was predicated on accepting others opinions, being respectful to that opinion, and then providing your own analysis of that situation.

    So in regard to your analysis, yes I totally agree that we were out-manned in the paint, we were outperformed on the defensive side of the ball, and most importantly, I think the Volunteers just wanted the W more than we did. However, in a situation like this, to claim that you don't think OSU looked tired last night, or to claim that changing things up by giving Diebler a break and letting Simmons and his hot hand have a shot is a little asinine. Would this have been a "sure" solution? Heck no! But could it possibly be worth a shot. Heck yes! Regardless of the situation, 6 guys didn't get the job done. There were a couple deficiencies on this team and they showed last night. Hopefully the majority of this group will return next year with a solid incoming class to make some noise.
    I'm fired up? I'm in a rage? NOPE just pointing out your LIES and lack of intellect.

    Another LIE, show us where I said "Matta is always right". NEVER have, the only implication I've made concerning Matta is that without a doubt he is a far better coach than any wannabee coach on here.

    Read and learn. Below I pointed out why Simmons made the baskets he did when in for Lighty, but not would not have had the same looks if he was substituted for Diebler. My problem with Diebler was that he took the shots that he did, they weren't good looks, he wasn't open. When not open don't force shots, run through the progressions again.
  • LJ
    OSU was outscored in the paint by 28.
  • Cleveland Buck
    1. The reason we lost last night is because Tennessee got whatever they wanted in the paint and Ohio State got nothing in the paint. Diebler has very little to do with that (though it would be nice if he could dribble drive and either finish or find an open guy, but he can't).

    2. Ohio State doesn't have the personnel on this team to championship level basketball inside.

    3. Matta still should have tried putting Simmons in at least for a little while in the second half. Tennessee was not going to leave Diebler no matter what, and Diebler has never in his life hit a shot with a guy in his face. There was no way Diebler being the player he is, facing Tennessee's game plan against him, could have been successful yesterday.
  • Red_Skin_Pride
    Heretic wrote:
    Red_Skin_Pride wrote:Anyone who knows anything about basketball will tell you that if you have a pure shooter, especially a spot up shooter, which both labels fit Deibler to a T, no matter how cold he is you keep shooting. The worst thing Matta could have done last night was pull Deibler in the middle of a cold spell. Because it screws with his confidence. Had Deibler been pulled out of the game last night and OSU would have won, you would have been minus Deibler for the next 3 games. It takes FOREVER to get back in rhythm as a pure shooter if the coach pulls you and doesn't allow you to keep shooting. Some nights players have off nights and are cold, it happens. Everybody was shooting a load in their first two games when he lit it up from outside, and now when he's off everyone wants to blame him. Why not blame what was clearly our biggest problem? Defense? (or lack thereof) I wasn't nearly as disappointed with Deibler's shooting (because he got very few open looks) as I was with the virtual disappearance of our defense in the paint. I'm pretty sure I could score in double fucking digits if all I had to do was run down to the block, catch the ball, and turn around and make a layup. That's likely the easiest game Chism has played in his 12 year career at Tennessee. Lauderdale gets in foul trouble to easily, Madsen would likely struggle to make a MAC roster, and Turner isn't built to play down low. So we might as well have not even put anybody in the lane last night, because it didnt look like we did anyway. As I said on the other thread, OSU was lucky to have kept it as close as they did. It could have been 15-20 or more without Turner trying to save us, yet again, in the second half.
    Anyone who knows anything about basketball also knows that this stat line (1-8 from field, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 fouls, 3 points) shouldn't compute to 40 minutes of play. As you said, post defense was the primary problem that led to the loss, but getting next-to-no production from a key player couldn't have been beneficial to the team. If getting subbed out for a few minutes while he's not performing is traumatic enough to him that it would ruin him for the rest of the national tournament, dude doesn't have the fortitude to play high-level basketball. Or does every pure, spot-up shooter in college basketball play the entire game regardless of how they're performing? At some point, doesn't a coach have to look for what's best for his team at the moment instead of riding the "he's going to find his range...ANY TIME NOW!" ship straight to the bottom of the ocean?
    Lol you're acting like this is the only stat line relevant to the topic. Did you happen to glance at his stat lines from the last two games? No? Because everyone knew he scored 20+ and was happy. Guess what? His stat line NEVER looks like most players who play 40 minutes. He averages like a half a rebound per game for the year. Did he play bad? Sure he did. Was it any different than any other game he's played bad? No it was not. Matta never pulled him earlier in the year, so I have no idea why the 50+ apparent DI college coaches on this thread thought he would in the 38th game of the season.

    BTW, there's an expression in basketball: "Keep shooting!". It's what you tell a guy who's SOLE JOB is to shoot, and he's not making his shots. You work through it and keep shooting.

    And to your last point "Or does every pure, spot-up shooter in college basketball play the entire game regardless of how they're performing? At some point, doesn't a coach have to look for what's best for his team at the moment instead of riding the "he's going to find his range...ANY TIME NOW!" ship straight to the bottom of the ocean? I have two responses: When you only have 6 guys that are legit (sorry, but I went to BG, who's horrible in men's basketball, and Madsen would struggle to play THERE let alone anywhere else, so he's not legit) and the guy who's struggling is one of your top 3 scorers, yes you keep him in the game. Do you think that next weekend if Scheyer comes out and looks horrible in the first half that K is going to pull him out of the game? If you do, then you're insane. Sorry, but you don't just abandon your players at the first sign of them struggling. I've watched several games this year where Deibler look pedestrian in the first half, only to catch fire in the last 10 minutes. All Matta needed from him was a basket or two, because we were in the game all the way until the very end, and his thinking was the same as everyone elses; he's a streak shooter who can miss 10 in a row, and then hit 3 or 4 in a row. That's Deibler in nutshell right there. He just never got hot, or hot enough to give us the basket or two Matta hoped he would down the stretch. Who knows, if the game lasts another 3 minutes, Deibler might hit two 3's and be the hero. You can never tell with him. Matta went with the odds that he was way below his average of PPG, so he was due to hit sometime soon, he just ran out of time before he did.
  • reclegend22
    That is a lot of text in this thread. I am leaving now. Proceed, please.
  • centralbucksfan
    To show how intelligent Dynasty is when it comes to basketball:
    1. thought OSU would be LUCKY to make NCAA
    2. Said OSU would be NO better then they were last year.
    3. Didn't think Turner was close to the best player in college
    4. Thought UK was going to drill WVU.

    So Diebler had an off game? Big figgen deal. I assume Dynasty, as he claimed to play college ball...played GREAT every game? Guess what, its a game, similar to golf, that NO ONE can perfect.

    How about talking about Dieblier prior 6/7 games? He was huge in the Big Ten, as well as the first 2 NCAA games.

    On top of that, he was far from the only one who played poorly. If he had single handidly lost the game...ok, criticism is legit.

    This is your your typical HATE on Deibler. I swear, the guy banged your GF or worse yet, your mom. Get over it. And your an OSU fan? A pitiful one at that. You actually sit and wait for Diebler to have a bad game so you can start a thread like this. Your a joke at times.

    Again, Deibler iis what he is....a spot up 3 pt shooter. He is a perfect fit for this OSU team. He is ONE OF THE BEST 3pt shooters in the country, period. Accept what he is, and deal with it.
  • ThumperAC
    I could not read through all 4 pages of this, but are people on here really talking about Diebler getting drafter? He will not even start next year!