NCAA Sweet 16: (2) Ohio State vs. (6) Tennessee

• SQ_Crazies

  

  detectivegibbles wrote:
  OSU shouldn't have made it this far period. They overachieved to the fullest this season. I am happy with a sweet 16 apperance.

  Now here is a realistic sports fan right here.
  
  No matter how you look at it, OSU exceeded expectations and had a great season.
• TheMightyGators

  ccrunner609 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  ccrunner609 wrote: get ready next year Bucks fans, its gonna be a struggle to watch. THey will have to work hard to be .500, Matta isnt real good at developing players with some actual playing time

  LOL...really? With at least 4 starters returning along with the #1 recruiting class? Ya, going to be a struggle!
  Clueless as usual.

  Hey I am bucks fan here, I am not a troller. I am calling it the way I see it. If Turner leaves, Lighty will leave and wouldnt be surprised if Buford tries to jump.

  Where is Lighty going? Is he leaving to go play in Europe?
• centralbucksfan

  From the Hills wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  From the Hills wrote:

  ccrunner609 wrote: Where was Simmons in the 2nd half? Had 9 in the first half. Diebler should of sat his ass on the bench and Simmons should of played

  Completely agree, Matta is so stuck on that damn 6 man rotation he doesn't realize when to sub when someone is struggling(Diebler). Doesn't make a damn bit of sense to keep Diebler in and Simmons on the bench after he had a productive first half.

  OH please! You don't go 35+ games, then all of a sudden change things!! Its easy to say that now after the game. Matta went with what GO OSU THERE in the first place. You do NOT change at this point!
  I figured it was only a matter of time before the Diebler bashing started. IF your going to bash him, bash Buford, Lighty and Lauderdale as well. Buford after a great start, disappeared and was aweful on defense. Light non factor for the most part as well.
  Turner was left with the complete load and one player can't get it done.

  Come on there is no excuse for not playing Simmons in the second half. Hell, you mention Buford and Lighty playing poor and I'll agree, why not sub Simmons in for them as well in the second half. IMO both Diebler and Buford should have seen time on the pine in the second half. You really think there playing the whole second half was productive. Get a fricken clue. Bottom line Simmons should have seen the floor in the second half.

  No. Offense wasn't the issue with OSU. It was defense and rebounding. Why would you put a five foot nothing in the game when your getting completely dominated defensively and on the boards? Simmons shot it well in the fist half with WIDE OPEN looks. But he did nothing defensively or rebounding. No one else did. But I'd rather stick with the guys that got me there, and have a better chance of doing something Simmons is not capable of. Any coach would tell you the samething...you go with what got you there. You don't change this late in the season. Thats panicing.
• Non

  

  IMO officiating in basketball in generally bad across all levels
  
  because for one, it's a hard game to officiate
  
  if you really went by the rules you would have a ton of fouls and the games would last forever
  
  they can't do that so the officials have to pick and choose what they call and that ends up leading to a lot of obvious fouls not called and some weak fouls called
  
  and clearly the officials are human and they play to the momentum of the game
  
  for example, if a team is down by three with 15 seconds left and they put up a three and it hits off the rim and then goes out where both teams appear to have touched it, they'll often just give it to the trailing team to give them that one more shot to make it a tie lol
  
  stuff like that happens all the time in college basketball, same with charges when a team has momentum, the ref will get caught up in it, or they'll let the trailing team reach in more when pressing to give them a few extra chances to get steals and get back in the game
  
  this is absolutely true, but ultimately you have to realize that's how it is and just keep playing
  
  in this OSU-Tenn game if you look back now there were probably 25-30 calls that could be questioned but it still came down to the last minute and both teams had a chance and Tennessee prevailed, you certainly can't pick one of those many calls and say the refs decided it...that I certainly will agree with
• Eric Taylor

  Ohio State and Florida both lost, so they are both going home. doesnt matter how far you make it unless you make the big game.
• Mulva

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Now here is a realistic sports fan right here.
  
  No matter how you look at it, OSU exceeded expectations and had a great season.

  I would say they met expectations. The preseason #16 team making the Sweet 16 isn't exceeding anything.
  
  They exceeded expectations by getting a 2 seed, but not with the end result of that.
• Sonofanump

  Eric Taylor wrote: Ohio State and Florida both lost, so they are both going home. doesnt matter how far you make it unless you make the big game.

  Why do the announcers keep mentioning how many times a school has gone to he sweet 16 or elite 8 or final four or whatever if it does not matter how far you advance?
• SQ_Crazies

  

  This is another good example for me of why I think Matta is overrated too. Recruiting wise, he's as good as it gets but x's and o's he's somewhat average. That 1-3-1 worked for about 2 minutes and they should have immediately went away from it. UT figured out how to tear that up real quick.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Mulva wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Now here is a realistic sports fan right here.
  
  No matter how you look at it, OSU exceeded expectations and had a great season.

  I would say they met expectations. The preseason #16 team making the Sweet 16 isn't exceeding anything.
  
  They exceeded expectations by getting a 2 seed, but not with the end result of that.

  Well regardless of the #16 preseason ranking, I never thought OSU was that great this year. Good but not great.
  
  They aren't nearly as good all around as some homers think--homers always give their guys too much credit, I'm as guilty of it as anyone. But outside of Turner the talent on this years team really isn't that good.
• centralbucksfan

  SQ_Crazies wrote: This is another good example for me of why I think Matta is overrated too. Recruiting wise, he's as good as it gets but x's and o's he's somewhat average. That 1-3-1 worked for about 2 minutes and they should have immediately went away from it. UT figured out how to tear that up real quick.

  How exactly is Matta overrated? 6yrs in the Big Ten, 3 Big Ten titles along with 2 conference tourney titles. In ONLY 11 yeas as a head coach, has won 20+ every year. Has been to an NCAA final game, elite eight, sweet 16. Has won multiple conference titles in every conference.
  He is ONLY in his early 40's, and been a head coach for 11yrs. I'd say thats as solid as it gets for a guy who really hasn't been a head coach for that long.
  And what he did with this team this year, with NO bench, was nothing short of great. IMO, he should be mentioned in the national coach of the year candidates.
  
  So OSU lost to a good team in the NCAA. Guess what, it happens, and often. At least they didn't get knocked out by OU or some other no name.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  They were getting destroyed inside in the man-to-man too. He should have played Madsen and Lauderdale together. The offense would have suffered, but it sucked anyway. Maybe it would have forced someone to throw the ball inside on offense and maybe they would have had a little more size to fight inside on defense.
• hoops23

  

  With two minutes to go, Deibler had a clean strip on Chism off of an inbounds play that was called for a foul. Chism hit both free throws.
  
  I thought that was the turning point.
• TheMightyGators

  SQ_Crazies wrote: This is another good example for me of why I think Matta is overrated too. Recruiting wise, he's as good as it gets but x's and o's he's somewhat average. That 1-3-1 worked for about 2 minutes and they should have immediately went away from it. UT figured out how to tear that up real quick.

  Agreed. Who knows how the game would have gone had they gone man all night, but the 1-3-1 was awful. Too much standing around and staring at the ball. It was way to extended as well. I won't pretend to know more than a college basketball coach, and I'm sure Matta had his reasons, but it was very poorly played tonight.
• Non

  

  I was disappointed that he didn't call a timeout when Tennessee was coming on and it resulted in them taking a 68-63 lead.
  
  Both teams went back and forth from about the 8-minute mark to 4-minute mark and OSU started to lose concentration. They had three quick shots, including the one by Buford with no rebounders. Those were key possesions.
  
  This is nitpicking but that's a coach's responsibility to know when to use timeouts and get his team back to the right frame of mind and fatigue level.
  
  It's not a crippling loss, though, for the program. These were two good teams and they played a good game. That's going to happen in every tournament.
• gerb131

  

  Its not the Florida National title game debacle but this one stings.
• just_a_swimmer

  

  I didn't like the way the game was officiated. They let them get too physical but at least they were consistent and equally bad for both teams. What I saw tonight was an OSU team that was sloppy with the ball and didn't have their best game and still had a chance to win.
  
  I wanted them to win and I guess I wouldn't be so upset had they played well and lost. For the most part Turner had no help.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: This is another good example for me of why I think Matta is overrated too. Recruiting wise, he's as good as it gets but x's and o's he's somewhat average. That 1-3-1 worked for about 2 minutes and they should have immediately went away from it. UT figured out how to tear that up real quick.

  How exactly is Matta overrated? 6yrs in the Big Ten, 3 Big Ten titles along with 2 conference tourney titles. In ONLY 11 yeas as a head coach, has won 20+ every year. Has been to an NCAA final game, elite eight, sweet 16. Has won multiple conference titles in every conference.
  He is ONLY in his early 40's, and been a head coach for 11yrs. I'd say thats as solid as it gets for a guy who really hasn't been a head coach for that long.
  And what he did with this team this year, with NO bench, was nothing short of great. IMO, he should be mentioned in the national coach of the year candidates.
  
  So OSU lost to a good team in the NCAA. Guess what, it happens, and often. At least they didn't get knocked out by OU or some other no name.

  You can cite all the BS you want. Like I said, recruiting wise he's amazing. You can win Big Ten titles with talent alone if you're that good of a recruiter. I'm not saying he's a bad coach--but he's overrated because he gets too much credit for being a GOOD coach. Recruiting is just one part of the equation. They did lose to a good team, no shame in that, but they could have won the game. I gave you the reason why I said he's overrated. X's and O's. A casual basketball fan could have seen that that 1-3-1 only worked for about 2 or 3 minutes. UT figured out how to beat it really fast and they owned it the rest of the night. I don't know how it would have gone with man D either, but the 1-3-1 sure as shit wasn't working.
• centralbucksfan

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: This is another good example for me of why I think Matta is overrated too. Recruiting wise, he's as good as it gets but x's and o's he's somewhat average. That 1-3-1 worked for about 2 minutes and they should have immediately went away from it. UT figured out how to tear that up real quick.

  How exactly is Matta overrated? 6yrs in the Big Ten, 3 Big Ten titles along with 2 conference tourney titles. In ONLY 11 yeas as a head coach, has won 20+ every year. Has been to an NCAA final game, elite eight, sweet 16. Has won multiple conference titles in every conference.
  He is ONLY in his early 40's, and been a head coach for 11yrs. I'd say thats as solid as it gets for a guy who really hasn't been a head coach for that long.
  And what he did with this team this year, with NO bench, was nothing short of great. IMO, he should be mentioned in the national coach of the year candidates.
  
  So OSU lost to a good team in the NCAA. Guess what, it happens, and often. At least they didn't get knocked out by OU or some other no name.

  You can cite all the BS you want. Like I said, recruiting wise he's amazing. You can win Big Ten titles with talent alone if you're that good of a recruiter. I'm not saying he's a bad coach--but he's overrated because he gets too much credit for being a GOOD coach. Recruiting is just one part of the equation. They did lose to a good team, no shame in that, but they could have won the game. I gave you the reason why I said he's overrated. X's and O's. A casual basketball fan could have seen that that 1-3-1 only worked for about 2 or 3 minutes. UT figured out how to beat it really fast and they owned it the rest of the night. I don't know how it would have gone with man D either, but the 1-3-1 sure as shit wasn't working.

  BS? LOL those are FACTS you moron. If you think having talent alone wins titles, your flat out clueless. Ask Roy Williams how his season went with multiple McDonald All Americans.
  And if you watched the game closely, you would know that Matta went away from the 1-3-1 early, didn't go back to it until late when his MM was getting eaten up. Matta, like any coach, can only draw it up, prepare, etc, etc...the players have to execute it. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. This was as poor a defense as OSU played all year long. The game plan was good as Tenn is not a very good shooting team. Unfortunately, the players let way too much penetration happen in both zone and MM. It wasn't the game plan or x and o's. Very overrated comment. All coaches at this level know the x and o's. Self said this himself the other day.
  If you don't think Matta isn't a good coach...your just flat out being stupid with that comment.
• NNN

  

  Horribly officiated game.
  
  Ecstatic with the win.
  
  I wish the Gator fans would be back to sucking swamp gas on this one. SEC fans stick together on football, and in any other sport, Florida can slob a knob.
• Non

  

  They started in 1-3-1 and did okay but Tennessee was getting the ball down to the baseline for some reasonable chances, although they missed a few from close range early on. They went to man-to-man and I thought it got worse in the first half. Tennessee was driving in either all the way or close enough to pass it up to a big man in the back as OSU helped out to stop the drive.
  
  In the second half, they were getting pounded so much on the boards regardless of which defense they played. I think that was more a matter of personnel than the defensive scheme. Sometimes you have mismatches and just have to make due and try to overcome them.
• Non

  

  Duke has been this way a few times where they didn't have enough size. They were still a very good defensive team, they competed hard but at the end of the day, still lacked the size to rebound against bigger teams.
• jhay78

  

  Very disappointed in the Buckeyes interior D. How many layups and dunks did UT have uncontested tonight?
  
  I know Thad wasn't going to change what worked all season, but that's the danger of a 6-man rotation. When someone's off (Diebler) or in foul trouble (Lighty) or MIA (Lauderdale), who's coming in to bring a spark or some energy off the bench?
• thedynasty1998

  

  1. I didn't think the officiating was that bad.
  2. Diebler had one of those games where it looks like he does not belong. When that happened earlier in the year I said you throw in either Hill or Simmons. After Simmons played well in the first half, I thought it was a no brainer. I actually watched the game with a basketball guy who hadn't really watched OSU all year. He kept saying Diebler needed to be on the bench. Not only did he not score, his defense was horrendous.
  3. Turner scored, but had too many careless turnovers, but there was no reason to expect any different.
  4. Kyle Madsen looked as soft as Diebler.
  5. Why wasn't Lauderdale in the game at the end?
  6. Matta got outcoached.
  
  With all that said, it's a pretty satisfying year as an OSU fan. And as OSU fans we knew what our weaknesses were all year, and they got exposed tonight. Turner was careless all year. Diebler was inconsistent all year. OSU had no interior presence all year. OSU had no bench all year.
• killer_ewok

  

  Chism was a beast tonight. Pretty good game. I figured it was a toss-up. Not surprised by the outcome.
• osu45804

  

  That was the WORST officiated game I've watched.... Tennessee was given permission to shove off at will all game long! Yes I am a Homer!! I HOPE ET comes back for his Senior year! FUCK Tennessee