The Next Percy Harvin, and "now" SEC vs. Big 10 Debate

• dtdtim

  sleeper wrote:

  Speedofsand wrote: I'm not jumping too deep into this pissing match because I know how ignorant some of the OSU homers are on this board. Both sides are right to an extent. cfbdatawarehouse goes off the school's records; the records of actual conf. match ups is also correct because it counts the records of when the schools were in the conferences. I couldn't care less who wants to count a bunch of PSU wins over Kentucky or not. Some here know the SEC plays better football than any other conference. Finally in 2009 the Big10 had a decent season at the same time the SEC had a down season. They still compared evenly overall. Big10 homers better enjoy it while they can, because the SEC will continue to have the best fans, best recruits, best coaches, and win National Championships.

  And the worst academics in the country.

  Vanderbilt and Florida are very good schools, for the record. Georgia is also a pretty good school, maybe just a notch or two below OSU.
  
  The rest are 3rd tier.
• sleeper

  

  dtdtim wrote:

  sleeper wrote:

  Speedofsand wrote: I'm not jumping too deep into this pissing match because I know how ignorant some of the OSU homers are on this board. Both sides are right to an extent. cfbdatawarehouse goes off the school's records; the records of actual conf. match ups is also correct because it counts the records of when the schools were in the conferences. I couldn't care less who wants to count a bunch of PSU wins over Kentucky or not. Some here know the SEC plays better football than any other conference. Finally in 2009 the Big10 had a decent season at the same time the SEC had a down season. They still compared evenly overall. Big10 homers better enjoy it while they can, because the SEC will continue to have the best fans, best recruits, best coaches, and win National Championships.

  And the worst academics in the country.

  Vanderbilt and Florida are very good schools, for the record. Georgia is also a pretty good school, maybe just a notch or two below OSU.
  
  The rest are 3rd tier.

  Still the worst in the country, I'd post facts but you're probably from the south and can't read anyways.
• lhslep134

  

  Speedofsand wrote: They still compared evenly overall.

  I believe that would be my original point, one that "themightygators" simply dismissed as false, even though it's true.
• TheMightyGators

  lhslep134 wrote:

  Speedofsand wrote: They still compared evenly overall.

  I believe that would be my original point, one that "themightygators" simply dismissed as false, even though it's true.

  over half the conference had a losing record.
• Speedofsand

  

  sleeper, Florida is right up there with tOSU dumbass.
  You know SEC football is better, so now you spin it into an academic debate.
  Nice try.
• sleeper

  

  Speedofsand wrote: sleeper, Florida is right up there with tOSU dumbass.
  You know SEC football is better, so now you spin it into an academic debate.
  Nice try.

  Nope. Big Ten football is better than SEC football, no doubt in my mind. But those are opinions, whereas academics are facts.
• jhay78

  

  Why do SEC homers need to constantly have their egos stroked every time someone brings up their conference?
  
  The SEC is the best conference (there, I said it), but they're not the invincible, all-world superpower that some (most) make them out to be. The Big10 has done just fine head-to-head in bowl games vs. the SEC- basically dead-even the past decade.
• enigmaax

  jhay78 wrote: Why do SEC homers need to constantly have their egos stroked every time someone brings up their conference?

  It seems to me that the recycling of this debate is more often initiated by Big Ten/OSU fans trying to downplay the SEC. Using this thread as an example, the OP was about a player. It took all of three posts for someone to start ragging on the SEC as a conference.
  
  Seriously stop and think about the number of threads (btw here and the old place) that are started when 1) the SEC plays a weak OOC game, 2) an SEC team loses a game, or 3) when the Big Ten wins a big game. Now switch the conferences and compare the number of threads started by SEC fans. Its really the Big Ten inferiority complex that drags this conversation on and on.
• ytownfootball

  

  An Ohio based board I wouldn't expect anything less, being in the heart of Big10 country and all.
• enigmaax

  ytownfootball wrote: An Ohio based board I wouldn't expect anything less, being in the heart of Big10 country and all.

  Hmm, I guess I just don't see how that explains the obsession with the SEC. I guess I'd be expecting more disinterest, but obviously there is a vast and very deep seeded hatred....maybe jealousy?
  
  jhay's point was that SEC fans are constantly seeking that ego stroke. I don't see that as the case at all. This thread had nothing to do with SEC vs. Big Ten until a Big Ten fan made it about that.
  
  If I were to say, "ytown, you are a loser," and you responded with a list of your successes, are you looking for an ego stroke or presenting a reasonable counter my ridiculous original statement?
• ytownfootball

  

  C'mon, it's certainly not like there hasn't been quite a few baiting threads started by SEC homers on here. I know you're not that naive to think that even when a serious thread is started about an SEC subject that there won't be posts met with skepticism regarding authenticity of intent. One is certainly equal of blame as another.
• enigmaax

  ytownfootball wrote: C'mon, it's certainly not like there hasn't been quite a few baiting threads started by SEC homers on here. I know you're not that naive to think that even when a serious thread is started about an SEC subject that there won't be posts met with skepticism regarding authenticity of intent. One is certainly equal of blame as another.

  I agree about it going both ways at times. But in most cases, the mere mention of anything SEC (in this case, it was a comparison to a former player) automatically draws people into the same stupid pissing match. This thread is just one example and surely if you go back to the first couple posts you can see there was no intent to bring the Big Ten into it, but sure enough, some schlub jumps right into it by calling out the SEC. Seriously, if a person doesn't want to hear about it, why make that the topic because you know its coming when you open that door.
• ytownfootball

  

  Well, I don't disagree. Given the time of year and how little there is to discuss, the responses to many subjects are filled with what can only be described as imaginitive. Hell, I have to admit to pulling the chains of some Michigan fans a bit, albeit just in good humor (I think they realize it). The CFF is a damn boring place this time of year, can't wait until substantive subject matter returns.
• jhay78

  

  enigmaax wrote:

  jhay78 wrote: Why do SEC homers need to constantly have their egos stroked every time someone brings up their conference?

  It seems to me that the recycling of this debate is more often initiated by Big Ten/OSU fans trying to downplay the SEC. Using this thread as an example, the OP was about a player. It took all of three posts for someone to start ragging on the SEC as a conference.
  
  Seriously stop and think about the number of threads (btw here and the old place) that are started when 1) the SEC plays a weak OOC game, 2) an SEC team loses a game, or 3) when the Big Ten wins a big game. Now switch the conferences and compare the number of threads started by SEC fans. Its really the Big Ten inferiority complex that drags this conversation on and on.

  Yeah, I'll agree with that. It definitely goes both ways, and I think the "ragging the SEC" came because of who started the thread. Cats_gone_mild does more than his share of downplaying/ragging and sometimes it's just too easy to fire back.
• jhay78

  

  ^^Adding to that thought . . .
  
  If I went to a site based in SEC-land talking about, I don't know, the next Eddie George or Tom Brady I would get hammered.
• cats gone wild

  jhay78 wrote: ^^Adding to that thought . . .
  
  If I went to a site based in SEC-land talking about, I don't know, the next Eddie George or Tom Brady I would get hammered.

  No you wouldnt. On the LSU board their are tons of OSU posters, and people get along with them just fine. LSU fans on that site just argue within the conference, mostly Bama. I guess OSU and B10 posters are just homers with jealousy.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yeah, it must just be you that can't get along here.
• enigmaax

  What is there to compare about Eddie George or Tom Brady when it comes to their college careers. George was good, but what about him is unique that makes him a point of reference? Brady didn't do anything spectacular in college. I doubt you'd get much reaction here or there with those comparisons.
• lhslep134

  

  enigmaax wrote: What is there to compare about Eddie George or Tom Brady when it comes to their college careers. George was good, but what about him is unique that makes him a point of reference? Brady didn't do anything spectacular in college. I doubt you'd get much reaction here or there with those comparisons.

  He won a Heisman? LOL
• sleeper

  

  cats gone wild wrote:

  jhay78 wrote: ^^Adding to that thought . . .
  
  If I went to a site based in SEC-land talking about, I don't know, the next Eddie George or Tom Brady I would get hammered.

  No you wouldnt. On the LSU board their are tons of OSU posters, and people get along with them just fine. LSU fans on that site just argue within the conference, mostly Bama. I guess OSU and B10 posters are just homers with jealousy.

  Considering the Big 10 is 97-91 roughly against the almight SEC, including the bowl games that are primarily played in the south, you could easily say the SEC is jealous of the Big 10, and they have superior academics across the board.
• enigmaax

  Yeah, so did Rashaan Salaam....with over 2000 yards. Nobody is really looking out for the next him.
• enigmaax

  sleeper wrote: Considering the Big 10 is 97-91 roughly against the almight SEC, including the bowl games that are primarily played in the south, you could easily say the SEC is jealous of the Big 10, and they have superior academics across the board.

  Aside from the flaw in your numbers, SEC fans don't really care about what happened in 1900. The SEC is the best NOW and that is really all that matters to them.
  
  Games are played primarily in the south because that is where EVERYBODY wants to be, so I'm sure that doesn't bother SEC fans.
  
  And finally, nobody gives a shit about academics unless their star player is ineligible, so once again, there's no real motivation for SEC jealousy on that front.
  
  You big ten cats are the ones who are searching for some acknowledgement of relevance from the rest of the country.
• sleeper

  

  enigmaax wrote:

  sleeper wrote: Considering the Big 10 is 97-91 roughly against the almight SEC, including the bowl games that are primarily played in the south, you could easily say the SEC is jealous of the Big 10, and they have superior academics across the board.

  Aside from the flaw in your numbers, SEC fans don't really care about what happened in 1900. The SEC is the best NOW and that is really all that matters to them.
  
  Games are played primarily in the south because that is where EVERYBODY wants to be, so I'm sure that doesn't bother SEC fans.
  
  And finally, nobody gives a shit about academics unless their star player is ineligible, so once again, there's no real motivation for SEC jealousy on that front.
  
  You big ten cats are the ones who are searching for some acknowledgement of relevance from the rest of the country.

  See, I don't think they are the best right now even. They have 2 good teams every year, sort of like well I don't know, EVERY other conference. The facts are simple, if the SEC ever left the south to play any big games, they'd get BLOWN out. They schedule 4 patsies so they are all pretty much 4-0 going into conference play, and then snooze through 2 bowl wins against the plentiful conference bottom feeders(kentucky, arkansas, tennessee, miss state, auburn, vanderbilt, + 2-3 teams like Georgia and LSU that decide to be mediocre for that year.
  
  Now sure, they've won the past couple of National Championships(notice I made sure the conference won it, not the teams), but when you only have to get up for 1-2 games all year its pretty easy to be fully rested and healthy for that game. I'd like to see some of these SEC teams come up north and try to win football games, because you and I both know, the SEC would get CLOWNSTOMPED if they ever crossed the mason dixie line, and you can take that to the bank.
• enigmaax

  See, there you go with "I don't think" and "if". When you have to use terms like that, there is really no argument. Most conferences do schedule a bunch of OOC patsies, the difference is that the SEC wasn't losing to the MAC and Syracuse this past season. The SEC wasn't finishing with less than half of their teams below .500.
  
  I know it was treacherous for OSU to have to prepare for Purdue after the way the Boilermakers pounded Northern Illinois...oh wait. And Iowa simply ran into a buzzsaw at home versus that Northwestern team that got beat by the Big East bottom feeder. Oh, but the whole season Iowa was overrated anyway according to most people around here. But now the conference hangs its hat on that team's big bowl win.
  
  So, you can have your "thoughts" and your "ifs".....and keep trying to convince everyone else in the real world.
• TheMightyGators

  ytownfootball wrote: An Ohio based board I wouldn't expect anything less, being in the heart of Big10 country and all.

  Then don't complain when SEC fans point out the facts. Not saying you do personally, just all the Big10 fans that jump in because they get their feelings hurt.