#4 Purdue (21-3) @ #12 Ohio State (20-6)

• centralbucksfan

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote: OSU did all they could to lose this game and still managed to almost win it.
  
  -How does Thad not call a TO at the end of the game?
  -Diebler was so freakin tentative to shoot that last second shot. He wasn't ever ready to shoot it because he didn't want to.
  -OSU missing some key wide open shots and FT's killed them tonight, as well as the pathetic performance by everyone not named Turner in the 1st half.
  -David Lighty kills me. I know what he can do offensively, but he lacks any consistency.
  -Give me Purdue again in the Big Ten tourney.

  I have NO Problem with NOT calling a timeout. Purdue is the BEST defensive team in the BIG TEN, period. If you let them get set, you may not even get the ball in bounds, let alone get a shot off.
  Secondly, get OFF DIEBLER!! Besides Turner, he was the only other player to show up.
  If your going to criticize players, look NO further then Ligthy, Lauderdale(Johnson drilled him) AND BUFORD who was just BAD.
  
  Game doesn't surprise me to be honest. I didn't expect a first half that poor. But I didn't have a good feeling going into this. Purdue is MUCH BETTER then people think they are. We were lucky to win at their place to be honest.
  OSU strength is shooting...well, they didn't shoot too well tonite obviously. It was that simple. Credit the Purdue defense.

  You really wouldn't call a TO? Purdue has a great defense but the chances of getting the 3 you need are greater when you're coming out of a timeout with a set play rather than during the end of game free for all. Turner was trailing that final offensive possession. You'd think a TO would be wise to at least give him a chance to have his hand in the end of the game.
  
  Those were my thoughts, I wasn't bashing anyone so go fuck off man. Get off my nuts about everything I post, or you and I will have some serious problems. You post a lot of garbage and I never seek your stupid ass out for everything I disagree with you about.
  
  Lighty, Buford, and Lauderdale killed OSU tonight, but I was only stating the fact that Diebler was tentative on that last shot...either he didn't want the ball in his hands or he wasn't sure if he should call a TO.

  Serious problems? Go fuck off? How old are you, 12? Are you seriously threatening me over a computer? LOL Give me a break.
  And NO, I don't have a probem not calling a timeout. Its a coaches philosopophy. Some do, some don't. Bob Knight rarely called timeouts with clocks running down. For the very reason i stated, letting the defense get set. He said he had his plays already in. Often times in a scramble, something opens up. Just as it did for Diebler. He had a good look, probably better then what OSU would have had on a side out of bounds. It didn't go in.
  If you had any clue, you would realize that wasn't why the game was where it was. YOu can't spot a team like Purdue a lead like that at half. Teams RARELY come back from deficits like that vs quality teams. Thats why you see it on ESPN highlights...doesn't happen often.

  No, I'm 20. And don't give me that 'you take internet too serious shit'...especially coming from you. With the way you always run to Diebler's side every time someone says one thing about him, I think you're the one who takes the whole concept of the internet way too serious.
  
  OSU played like a pack of retarded cavemen in the first half and got it together in the 2nd half. The way OSU played in the 1st half, they had no business being in the game, I agree. But that still doesn't change the fact that OSU actually did come back, seized the momentum in front of the home crowd, and then let Purdue off the hook with some very impatient, ill-advised shots. It doesn't change the fact that I wish OSU would have ran a play following a TO with 8 seconds left to set up a catch and shoot situation for someone, Diebler or not. It doesn't change the fact about how pissed I am about the way Lauderdale and Lighty both crapped out tonight. It doesn't change the fact that tonight's game has really set OSU back as far as winning the Big Ten goes.

  Yes it did, especially with game @MSU looming this week.
  And please do NOT forget about Buford as well. He as bad for the second straight game. I have no idea why OSU didn't come out of the gate well. They were just not ready to play..which is puzzeling considering as big a game as it was.
  And yes, OSU did have a chance. But when you exert that much energy to get back into a game...it takes a lot out of you, thus its tough to finish it off at the end.
  And again, the key turning point in the game IMO, was when OSU was within 2 at 48-46 and had at least 3 possessions to tie, take the lead...and didn't.
  And believe me you, I don't take this internet stuff serious. I enjoy the bantering, discussion, even argueing...except when it goes over the line in terms of childish name calling as well as profanity.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998 wrote: I've been as critical as anyone of Diebler, but I actually thought he played fairly well tonight. Could he have done more? Sure. But everyone can say that when your team loses. He actually made some hustle plays that I haven't seen often this year.
  
  Turner was an absolute stud, and I'm not bashing him at all, but I wish he was more aggressive when they cut the lead (maybe even tied it) and then he fired up two 3's without really attacking. But that's being nit-picky on someone who did everything for this team.
  
  Buford didn't show up until the 2nd half, so that hurt.
  
  And Johnson ate up Lauderdale and the OSU defense which really hurt as well.
  
  Overall, OSU lost a close one to a top 4 team after playing as bad as possible in the 1st half. I'm not too concerned with this loss, but they have to rebound quickly and try to stay in contention for the Big 10 with a win against Michigan State.

  Believe it or not, I couldn't agree more. I luv Turner as much as anyone, but when he "settled" (as JJ pointed out) for those jumpers, I was disappointed.
  I not overly concerned with this loss either. As i said, I didn't have a good feeling going in for some reason. Mainly because I think Purdue is really good.
  I hopeful, although not very optimistic going into MSU. Should be an interesting game to see how this team bounces back.
• charliehustle14

  thedynasty1998 wrote: And anyone who thinks OSU gets a better shot at the end of the game after a timeout just doesn't know basketball. Diebler got a great look, and he doesn't get that look if Purdue had the chance to setup their defense and discuss how they were going to defend the final play.

  Who knows, I still don't think so. Maybe that's the general rule, but I really feel like tonight was the exception. Diebler hesitated too long, then had to create his own shot...which he still isn't comfortable with, it seems. I would have taken my chances out of a timeout with a set play, finding Diebler or Buford in a catch and shoot situation.
• charliehustle14

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote: OSU did all they could to lose this game and still managed to almost win it.
  
  -How does Thad not call a TO at the end of the game?
  -Diebler was so freakin tentative to shoot that last second shot. He wasn't ever ready to shoot it because he didn't want to.
  -OSU missing some key wide open shots and FT's killed them tonight, as well as the pathetic performance by everyone not named Turner in the 1st half.
  -David Lighty kills me. I know what he can do offensively, but he lacks any consistency.
  -Give me Purdue again in the Big Ten tourney.

  I have NO Problem with NOT calling a timeout. Purdue is the BEST defensive team in the BIG TEN, period. If you let them get set, you may not even get the ball in bounds, let alone get a shot off.
  Secondly, get OFF DIEBLER!! Besides Turner, he was the only other player to show up.
  If your going to criticize players, look NO further then Ligthy, Lauderdale(Johnson drilled him) AND BUFORD who was just BAD.
  
  Game doesn't surprise me to be honest. I didn't expect a first half that poor. But I didn't have a good feeling going into this. Purdue is MUCH BETTER then people think they are. We were lucky to win at their place to be honest.
  OSU strength is shooting...well, they didn't shoot too well tonite obviously. It was that simple. Credit the Purdue defense.

  You really wouldn't call a TO? Purdue has a great defense but the chances of getting the 3 you need are greater when you're coming out of a timeout with a set play rather than during the end of game free for all. Turner was trailing that final offensive possession. You'd think a TO would be wise to at least give him a chance to have his hand in the end of the game.
  
  Those were my thoughts, I wasn't bashing anyone so go fuck off man. Get off my nuts about everything I post, or you and I will have some serious problems. You post a lot of garbage and I never seek your stupid ass out for everything I disagree with you about.
  
  Lighty, Buford, and Lauderdale killed OSU tonight, but I was only stating the fact that Diebler was tentative on that last shot...either he didn't want the ball in his hands or he wasn't sure if he should call a TO.

  Serious problems? Go fuck off? How old are you, 12? Are you seriously threatening me over a computer? LOL Give me a break.
  And NO, I don't have a probem not calling a timeout. Its a coaches philosopophy. Some do, some don't. Bob Knight rarely called timeouts with clocks running down. For the very reason i stated, letting the defense get set. He said he had his plays already in. Often times in a scramble, something opens up. Just as it did for Diebler. He had a good look, probably better then what OSU would have had on a side out of bounds. It didn't go in.
  If you had any clue, you would realize that wasn't why the game was where it was. YOu can't spot a team like Purdue a lead like that at half. Teams RARELY come back from deficits like that vs quality teams. Thats why you see it on ESPN highlights...doesn't happen often.

  No, I'm 20. And don't give me that 'you take internet too serious shit'...especially coming from you. With the way you always run to Diebler's side every time someone says one thing about him, I think you're the one who takes the whole concept of the internet way too serious.
  
  OSU played like a pack of retarded cavemen in the first half and got it together in the 2nd half. The way OSU played in the 1st half, they had no business being in the game, I agree. But that still doesn't change the fact that OSU actually did come back, seized the momentum in front of the home crowd, and then let Purdue off the hook with some very impatient, ill-advised shots. It doesn't change the fact that I wish OSU would have ran a play following a TO with 8 seconds left to set up a catch and shoot situation for someone, Diebler or not. It doesn't change the fact about how pissed I am about the way Lauderdale and Lighty both crapped out tonight. It doesn't change the fact that tonight's game has really set OSU back as far as winning the Big Ten goes.

  Yes it did, especially with game @MSU looming this week.
  And please do NOT forget about Buford as well. He as bad for the second straight game. I have no idea why OSU didn't come out of the gate well. They were just not ready to play..which is puzzeling considering as big a game as it was.
  And yes, OSU did have a chance. But when you exert that much energy to get back into a game...it takes a lot out of you, thus its tough to finish it off at the end.
  And again, the key turning point in the game IMO, was when OSU was within 2 at 48-46 and had at least 3 possessions to tie, take the lead...and didn't.
  And believe me you, I don't take this internet stuff serious. I enjoy the bantering, discussion, even argueing...except when it goes over the line in terms of childish name calling as well as profanity.

  Yeah well you're bantering doesn't come off as bantering whenever you run to Diebler's side every time. It's annoying and childish, in it's own right. And profanity is common place on this entire forum, get over it. It's not the first time and it won't be the last.
  
  Buford was terrible. But I've never been too high on him and don't expect much from him like I do Lighty and Diebler....so I tend to forget him.
• centralbucksfan

  ^^^^ You don't expect much out of Buford? But you do with Dielber? LOL Thats all I need to read to know what I am dealing with. Have a good nite.
• thedynasty1998

  

  I didn't get that either. Buford is a borderline NBA prospect and should play better than he did in the first half today.
• newarkcatholicfan

  

  Not playing the bench kills this team again.
• Prescott

  Whne two good teams play, one of them is going to lose. Buford didn't show up, but either did Hummel. Give Purdue some credit.They played tough defense and hit some shots. Johnson and Loore were really good tonight.
  
  Yes, Turner and Buford took some ill advised shots. but it happens.Diebler got a good look, but he missed.
  
  Good effort from both teams.
• osu45804

  

  The Schott was LOUD tonight and it was a great atmosphere. How often does a team that never lead the entire game still have a shot to win/tie the game and just do everything to not to. Stupid turnovers/mistakes, Once the Buckeyes got it to 2/3 points they seemed to rush everything. I think we were in the bonus with like 9/10 minutes to go in the 2nd half and just never took it to the rim. And to be honest the officials were absolutely terrible. Purdue was all over Turner's back and hand checking him every time he brought the ball up court. After the Illinois game Lighty failed to show up tonight 1/6 shooting and 4 points. Turner is just TOO GOOD!
• mallymal614

  When you really think about it, this game was VERY similar to he North Carolina one. Horrible first half, role players struggled, rallied in the second half, fell short on the final possession.
• ohiotiger33

  

  I watched this game (The only bucks game I have seen this season) and was wondering why your players all take jumpers/3 pointers so early in the shot clock? Is there no great post player to play through to get better positioning on offense?
• Big Gain

  newarkcatholicfan wrote: Not playing the bench kills this team again.

  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL "Playing the bench" and Ohio State loses by 20.
• Big Gain

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: And anyone who thinks OSU gets a better shot at the end of the game after a timeout just doesn't know basketball. Diebler got a great look, and he doesn't get that look if Purdue had the chance to setup their defense and discuss how they were going to defend the final play.

  Who knows, I still don't think so. Maybe that's the general rule, but I really feel like tonight was the exception. Diebler hesitated too long, then had to create his own shot...which he still isn't comfortable with, it seems. I would have taken my chances out of a timeout with a set play, finding Diebler or Buford in a catch and shoot situation.

  You're crazy, watch a replay, Diebler didn't hesitate too long. He shot the ball when he had the best shot. The prior few seconds he didn't have complete control of the ball and he had someone in his shorts. Buford had a MUCH better look before shuffling the ball to Diebler, Buford wanted no part of taking the last shot. Where was Turner?
• Big Gain

  mallymal614 wrote:

  karen lotz wrote: You are a fool. Did Diebler smash your girlfriend or something?

  lol. I have criticized Diebler in the past, but I too trying to figure out how people are blaming him for this one.

  He's a white guy, there are a lot of racists on here.
• Big Gain

  charliehustle14 wrote:

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  charliehustle14 wrote: OSU did all they could to lose this game and still managed to almost win it.
  
  -How does Thad not call a TO at the end of the game?
  -Diebler was so freakin tentative to shoot that last second shot. He wasn't ever ready to shoot it because he didn't want to.
  -OSU missing some key wide open shots and FT's killed them tonight, as well as the pathetic performance by everyone not named Turner in the 1st half.
  -David Lighty kills me. I know what he can do offensively, but he lacks any consistency.
  -Give me Purdue again in the Big Ten tourney.

  I have NO Problem with NOT calling a timeout. Purdue is the BEST defensive team in the BIG TEN, period. If you let them get set, you may not even get the ball in bounds, let alone get a shot off.
  Secondly, get OFF DIEBLER!! Besides Turner, he was the only other player to show up.
  If your going to criticize players, look NO further then Ligthy, Lauderdale(Johnson drilled him) AND BUFORD who was just BAD.
  
  Game doesn't surprise me to be honest. I didn't expect a first half that poor. But I didn't have a good feeling going into this. Purdue is MUCH BETTER then people think they are. We were lucky to win at their place to be honest.
  OSU strength is shooting...well, they didn't shoot too well tonite obviously. It was that simple. Credit the Purdue defense.

  You really wouldn't call a TO? Purdue has a great defense but the chances of getting the 3 you need are greater when you're coming out of a timeout with a set play rather than during the end of game free for all. Turner was trailing that final offensive possession. You'd think a TO would be wise to at least give him a chance to have his hand in the end of the game.

  
  You're either a teenager or unknowledgeable. The ignorant ugly mouth could suggest either. Don't you remember the Ohio State/Xavier Tournament game, when Oden and Conley were Freshmen? Tell us what happened in the end game situation, with Ohio State down by 3 points.

• Footwedge

  Mulva wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: You can't ask for a better shot than that. Purdue should have fouled...but they didn't. I don't understand why coaches don't foul in that situation.

  You can absolutely ask for a better shot than that. Diebler is not an off the dribble shooter. He's a catch and shoot guy.
  
  I'm fine with letting Buford attack, but once Diebler had it in the corner a timeout should have been called with 7-8 seconds left to set something up.

  
  what I saw was Diebler squared up, without a hand in his face, about 2 feet behind the arc.
  
  Again i ask....why do these idiot coaches even allow a 3ball shot with less than 5 seconds to play?
  
  It's so stupid it defies description. I watched Memphis blow a national title 2 years ago by allowing the exact same shot to a Kansas player.
  
  The year before that, the Buckeyes went to the finals and lost to Florida. But they should have been eliminated by Xavier...except the idiot coach for Xavier allowed a last second 3 (Lewis) to extend the game into OT.
• karen lotz

  

  ohiotiger33 wrote: I watched this game (The only bucks game I have seen this season) and was wondering why your players all take jumpers/3 pointers so early in the shot clock? Is there no great post player to play through to get better positioning on offense?

  There is zero offensive post presence for OSU unless Turner backs someone down or a lob is thrown at the basket to Lauderdale. I was saying the same thing about early shots, especially when they weren't open looks or taken by players that should be shooting. As good as Turner is, his 3 point shot leaves a lot to be desired and Lighty is not near a good enough shooter to take those shots. Turner had a good game overall but also made some very poor decisions. Stupid shots and turnovers. He obviously does a lot for the team, that might be the understatement of the century, but he needs some of the blame for this one as well.
• bucks36

  

  karen lotz wrote:

  ohiotiger33 wrote: I watched this game (The only bucks game I have seen this season) and was wondering why your players all take jumpers/3 pointers so early in the shot clock? Is there no great post player to play through to get better positioning on offense?

  There is zero offensive post presence for OSU unless Turner backs someone down or a lob is thrown at the basket to Lauderdale. I was saying the same thing about early shots, especially when they weren't open looks or taken by players that should be shooting. As good as Turner is, his 3 point shot leaves a lot to be desired and Lighty is not near a good enough shooter to take those shots. Turner had a good game overall but also made some very poor decisions. Stupid shots and turnovers. He obviously does a lot for the team, that might be the understatement of the century, but he needs some of the blame for this one as well.

  
  
  The shots they were missing against Purdue, they were hitting in their last 2 games. If they hit those early shots this wouldn't even be a discussion. That is the way they have played all year, the shots just weren't going in last night.
• vball10set

  Turner just validated himself as the leading candidiate for NPOY,and Lighty,Diebler and Lauderdale are what they are,but w/o Buford,the Bucks will really struggle to get past the first round of the NCAA's--he really needs to get re-focused--and fast!!!
• thedynasty1998

  

  Turner alone can get this team past the first round of the tournament. They could start having problems as soon as the 2nd round though.
• vball10set

  I sure hope so--I just remember what happened against Siena last year...
• thedynasty1998

  

  Yea, but OSU will be seeded higher this year and this year's Evan Turner isn't the same as last year's Evan Turner.
• cbus4life

  One positive from this game is that Turner solidified his status as the POY.
• thedynasty1998

  

  I agree with that, but I wonder if he will get it if OSU finishes 3rd in the Big 10?
• Prescott

  Tournament seeding is paramount. #1's and #2's get a virtual pass to the second weekend. 3's are going to be tested in week one.