Penn State @ Ohio State

• devil1197

  27 points
  10 rebounds
  6 assists
  
  Mini GOAT of Ohio
• centralbucksfan

  Very lackluster effort by OSU, especially on defense. Still won going away. Which is a good sign...an effort like this the past 2 yrs equals a loss. Although the effort wasn't all there, they still know how to get it done. As much as you don't like to see this...it is the nature of the game that a game like this is going to happen..especially after Sunday great game. Turner was bad on defense, but absolutely a stud on offense in second half. Win is a win.
• Big Gain

  osu45804 wrote: Still 0 points for Diebler

  Diebler made one basket, but it was THE biggest basket of the game.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Didn't get to watch much of the game, but it's good to see OSU with another win, pretty or not.
  
  I know I'm beating a dead horse, but how does a guy play 40 minutes and end up with 0 rebounds, 0 assists, go 1-7 in the game and not get taken out of the game for even one minute? Just mind boggling to me, and for anyone to say that PJ Hill doesn't contribute more today, you are just flat out wrong.
• devil1197

  Because that's how Matta runs his teams and he is successful at it.
• gabuckeye

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Didn't get to watch much of the game, but it's good to see OSU with another win, pretty or not.
  
  I know I'm beating a dead horse, but how does a guy play 40 minutes and end up with 0 rebounds, 0 assists, go 1-7 in the game and not get taken out of the game for even one minute? Just mind boggling to me, and for anyone to say that PJ Hill doesn't contribute more today, you are just flat out wrong.

  Presence.
• bulldog8

  Everyone is in full support of what Matta does when they're winning, i'm interested to see how the fans respond when the Bucks take a frustrating loss and Matta doesn't try putting someone else in. I'm not going to complain about this because OSU won and like previously stated, "a win is a win." However, 40 minutes and not a point until the final 2 minutes - pathetic.
• mallymal614

  Ohio State next season (especially if Evan stays) may be the deepest team in the country. 6 scholarship guys coming in that can flat out play. OSU could go 11 deep.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Didn't get to watch much of the game, but it's good to see OSU with another win, pretty or not.
  
  I know I'm beating a dead horse, but how does a guy play 40 minutes and end up with 0 rebounds, 0 assists, go 1-7 in the game and not get taken out of the game for even one minute? Just mind boggling to me, and for anyone to say that PJ Hill doesn't contribute more today, you are just flat out wrong.

  The only thing mind boggling...is your hatred towards Diebler. When he doesn't play well, you put forth an entire paragraph about it. When he plays well as he did vs Minny...we see a couple words. Seriously, its very transparent. Get over it. Diebler is flat out better then Hill. Diebler didn't play well....but still hit a HUGE shot when it was needed. Thats WHY Matta sticks with him.
  I too wonder why Hill isn't playing...I am tending to think there is MORE to it then we know or see.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Why is my dislike for him mind boggling?
  
  I said before my problem with him is his inconsistency. He played great against Minnesota and showed what he's capable of. By flashing his potential and then laying a egg is frustrating.
  
  And I honestly don't know how you play 40 minutes and get 0 rebounds and assists. You almost have to try to be that bad. Makes me wonder if he's reading Titus' blog too much and trying to get 4 trillion himself.
• bulldog8

  centralbucksfan wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Didn't get to watch much of the game, but it's good to see OSU with another win, pretty or not.
  
  I know I'm beating a dead horse, but how does a guy play 40 minutes and end up with 0 rebounds, 0 assists, go 1-7 in the game and not get taken out of the game for even one minute? Just mind boggling to me, and for anyone to say that PJ Hill doesn't contribute more today, you are just flat out wrong.

  The only thing mind boggling...is your hatred towards Diebler. When he doesn't play well, you put forth an entire paragraph about it. When he plays well as he did vs Minny...we see a couple words. Seriously, its very transparent. Get over it. Diebler is flat out better then Hill. Diebler didn't play well....but still hit a HUGE shot when it was needed. Thats WHY Matta sticks with him.
  I too wonder why Hill isn't playing...I am tending to think there is MORE to it then we know or see.

  I think you are right....Something needs to be going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Maybe not putting forth the proper effort in practice or voicing his opinion about his playing time to the coaches. Whatever the case, he is evidently on the coaches' shit list and I would suspect we won't be seeing him anytime soon this season.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Anyone hear if he's hurt or anything? He got some significant playing time last year on basically the same team. I understand if he hasn't improved like others, but there does seem like there's more to it.
  
  It's the only logical explanation.
• Big Gain

  bulldog8 wrote: Everyone is in full support of what Matta does when they're winning, i'm interested to see how the fans respond when the Bucks take a frustrating loss and Matta doesn't try putting someone else in. I'm not going to complain about this because OSU won and like previously stated, "a win is a win." However, 40 minutes and not a point until the final 2 minutes - pathetic.

  TRUE FANS are not ignorant band wagoners who would throw a player or coach under the bus because of ONE loss.
  
  Haters don't care or think intelligently. Who knows, maybe Diebler didn't feel well. 3-point shooters can be streaky. After a few shots didn't fall, Diebler could probably tell he was a tad off. So unlike selfish Me First players, he didn't keep chucking up misses. This team does have Turner, Buford and Lighty, who all can and have scored 25. Diebler doesn't need to score in double figures in every game. There is only one ball, Turner has it in his hands the vast majority of the time. He shoots or creates or dishes. He gets the ball to the open player, he gets the ball to the player who is hot. ALL POINT GUARDS DO THAT, get the ball to the player who is on a roll. You did see who Turner got the ball to when Ohio State needed the biggest basket in the game didn't you? You did see who made THE biggest basket of the game didn't you? Even when Diebler is having an off night Matta stiks with him because Matta considers Diebler to be his coach on the floor.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Paladin, how many times a week do you use the word ignorant?
• bulldog8

  Big Gain wrote:

  bulldog8 wrote: Everyone is in full support of what Matta does when they're winning, i'm interested to see how the fans respond when the Bucks take a frustrating loss and Matta doesn't try putting someone else in. I'm not going to complain about this because OSU won and like previously stated, "a win is a win." However, 40 minutes and not a point until the final 2 minutes - pathetic.

  TRUE FANS are not ignorant band wagoners who would throw a player or coach under the bus because of ONE loss.

  Then there are no true fans in sports.
• Big Gain

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Anyone hear if he's hurt or anything? He got some significant playing time last year on basically the same team. I understand if he hasn't improved like others, but there does seem like there's more to it.
  
  It's the only logical explanation.
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  THAT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. We are all internet chat room nobodies.

• Big Gain

  bulldog8 wrote:

  Big Gain wrote:

  bulldog8 wrote: Everyone is in full support of what Matta does when they're winning, i'm interested to see how the fans respond when the Bucks take a frustrating loss and Matta doesn't try putting someone else in. I'm not going to complain about this because OSU won and like previously stated, "a win is a win." However, 40 minutes and not a point until the final 2 minutes - pathetic.

  TRUE FANS are not ignorant band wagoners who would throw a player or coach under the bus because of ONE loss.

  Then there are no true fans in sports.

  I AM!
  
  Good GOD. The last time an NCAA coach didn't lose at least ONE game in a season was wild man Bobby Knight in the 1975-76 season. And you know how badly he embarrassed himself and IU due to his actions on and off the court.
• Big Gain

  Mulva wrote: Thank god these last 2 games have been against teams that are now going to be a combined 2-17 in the Big 10. Less than stellar performances both games.

  Less than stellar game against Minnesota???????
• bulldog8

  Big Gain wrote:

  bulldog8 wrote:

  Big Gain wrote:

  bulldog8 wrote: Everyone is in full support of what Matta does when they're winning, i'm interested to see how the fans respond when the Bucks take a frustrating loss and Matta doesn't try putting someone else in. I'm not going to complain about this because OSU won and like previously stated, "a win is a win." However, 40 minutes and not a point until the final 2 minutes - pathetic.

  TRUE FANS are not ignorant band wagoners who would throw a player or coach under the bus because of ONE loss.

  Then there are no true fans in sports.

  I AM!
  
  Good GOD. The last time an NCAA coach didn't lose at least ONE game in a season was wild man Bobby Knight in the 1975-76 season. And you know how badly he embarrassed himself and IU due to his actions on and off the court.

  Funny that you claim you are a true fan yet you spent numerous posts throwing Hill and Simmons under the bus discussing why Matta is right with not playing other guys. I'm curious why i'm not a true fan. What do I need to do in order to be more like you almighty fan? What i'm even more curious about is that I mention ONE thing about Diebler and all the sudden i'm not a true fan. You have the shortest fuse of anyone i've communicated with. I can't get a single word out without you telling me i'm wrong. So from now on, I will send you rough drafts of my posts so that you can tear it apart and make revisions and tell me what I SHOULD be saying on the huddle.
  
  Again, I question why Matta sticks with Diebler on a night like this and you give some way too complex analysis of the situation. Here's the bottom line and all that is important - 40 minutes, 1-7 from the field, 1-6 from beyond the arc, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks. You defend this guy like he is a god, when in reality, he is a very average player. I don't care how streaky 3-point shooters are, you mean to tell me that he can't grab one rebound, or feed one person for a basket? We are talking about Jon Diebler here, not Evan Turner, not Lebron James, not Michael Jordan, not Kobe Bryant. I fully understand if this is your top player and by keeping him on the floor he is making those around him better - playing great defense, hitting the boards, drawing other defenders, and distributing the ball to those around him. Diebler did none of these tonight. If you are such a good fan, I worry why you aren't concerned with why he was still in the game - you're really not looking out for what's best for the team.
• Big Gain

  I threw Simmons and Hill under the bus??? Where did I blame them for an Ohio State loss. Do you think Matta is throwing Hill and Simmons under the bus? All I've done is NOT throw Matta under the bus for something as silly and unimportant as substitution minutes.
  
  Where did I say YOU weren't a true fan? YOU said you were interested to see how fan's would react to Matta when Ohio State loses ONE game. IMO a fan who goes nuts over ONE loss is not a true fan. Do you have a guilty conscious?
  
  Don't be a liar. I never said you weren't a true fan because of a comment about Diebler.
  
  You say Matta is wrong. I say you're wrong. Easy decision. No offense, but you are not a top Div1 head basketball coach.
  
  Again, I told you why Matta sticks with Diebler when he isn't having a good game STATISTICALLY. Pay attention this time. After Turner, Matta trusts Diebler more than any other player on the team. Matta considers Diebler his coach on the floor. Obviously Turner also trusts Diebler more than any other player on the team. Who did Turner want to take the most important shot in the game? If Hill or Simmons were in the for Diebler do you think Turner would have wanted either of them to take that shot? HELL NO. THAT is why Matta wanted Diebler on the floor. Who do you think Buford, Lighty, and Lauderdale would want to take that shot, Hill and Simmons or Diebler?
  
  There you go lying again. Show us where I liken Diebler to a god. I'm not the one playing Diebler you idiot, MATTA IS. Who knows more about the Ohio State players, those of your ilk or Matta?? Who sees what the players do in practice, those of your ilk or Matta? Who knows how Ohio State players react to stressful situations, those of your ilk or Matta? Who knows which Ohio State player to trust the most, those of your ilk or Matta? It IS NOT me favoring Diebler over Simmons and Hill, IT IS MATTA, the head coach. Matta is not an internet chat room nobody like you and me. He is the Ohio State head basketball coach. You obviously "fully understand" very little about me OR why Matta makes the decisions he does.
  
  You have every right to disagree with something Matta does. I have every right to agree with his decisions. I disagree with you, I agree with Matta. Hmmmmmm. Because of that, Matta isn't "looking out for what's best for the team". Don't you see how stupid that sounds?
• Hesston

  

  Nice win
  
  Go Bucks
• thedynasty1998

  

  Paladin, your act is getting old. It's one thing to come on here and debate with people with differing opinions of yours, but you attack people time after time and tell them they are dead wrong. Then you use words like neophyte, ignorant and lie to try to belittle people.
  
  You are a fucking idiot.
  
  You said an injury is none of our business? Bullshit. We are fans and discuss things like that. Turner was talked about daily during his injury.
  
  Just because someone isn't the coach at OSU doesn't mean they can't have an opinion. It's people with opinions that get on message boards. How much fun would it be if every comment after the game was, "Good win" and nothing else. Fans like to discuss things. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
  
  So you spoke to Turner after the game, and he told you he trusts Diebler more than any other player on the team. You look foolish with those types of statements.
  
  Why don't you try debating with people going forward without belittling anyone.
  
  Congratulations, because I just added you to the ignore list, and you are the only one on it. That's elite company you fucking loser.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Anyone hear if he's hurt or anything? He got some significant playing time last year on basically the same team. I understand if he hasn't improved like others, but there does seem like there's more to it.
  
  It's the only logical explanation.

  PJ and Simmons are PG's. Thats why Matta signed them, thats basically where they have played mostly. Well, with the move of Turner to PG, its obvious they arn't, no should they take away time from him. He is needed on the floor. On top of that, both are under 6' tall. Move them to the 2, and quite often, its a mismatch defensively. PJ is below average perimeter shooter as well. Simmons has been hurt. Its called limitations. Two bench players, who basically play the same position are are quite often, at a mismatch defensively now with OSU playing mostly MM defense.
  As far as Diebler, I'v said it once, I have said it a million times...he is what he is...a 3pt shooter. He isn't going to be on every game. And again, he has established himself for what he is, which again, opens the floor up for Turner, Buford and Lighty to do their thing.
  I am not sticking up for him, I realize he didn't play well, he should have at least a handful of rebounds. Asst? Well, he isn't ever going to have many asst as he is a catch and shoot player. On top of that, Turner has the ball 90% of the time. And although others "looked" like they did....it was a total lackluster effort by the entire team. That was obvious watching the game.
• vball10set

  but they won--next....
• thedynasty1998

  

  They did win, and like I said it my first post here, a win is a win. This team have IMO overachieved up to this point in the season considering Turner's injury.
  
  It's quite obvious that I don't like Diebler as a player. But I really do understand his importance to this team. Like last night, even if he misses his first 6 shots, he could make that next one. I get that he's a shooter, but I honestly think he has more potential than what he's showing. And the thing that bothers me more than anything is that he's soft. I get it that Lauderdale, Simmons and Hill are offensively challenged, but I like those guys because they play hard and if there's a loose ball, more times than not they are going to get it. If there's a loose ball, I'd be shocked to see Diebler come up with it.
  
  
  Looking forward, OSU wins their next 2 games and should be Illinois, and that could potentially put them top 10. That gives them 20 wins and then the two big ones, before finishing up with 3 more games they should win (I think they drop 1-2 to Illinois).
  
  That's a hell of a year and then they head into the Big 10 tournament. With a solid showing, they could get as high of a 3 seed in the tournament which could play out nice for them to make a little run.