2016 General College Football Discussion

• ironman02

  Houston just hired Major Applewhite instead of Kiffin.
• Benny The Jet

  

  superman;1828079 wrote:I would be happy with either as long as Fickell leaves.

  Whoa, what do you have against Fickell? Other than choosing to start Bauserman over Braxton, as a DC I think he's pretty stinkin good.
  
  Sounds like we could lose 2-3 assistant coaches. Hopefully that doesn't affect any recruits already verballed or deciding.
• Benny The Jet

  

  ironman02;1828084 wrote:Houston just hired Major Applewhite instead of Kiffin.

  I like that hire for them. Keeps offense the same, and you don't bring in that giant turd Kiffin which is another win.
• sleeper

  

  Azubuike24;1828059 wrote:I still don't get how Lamar Jackson is the favorite and Pat Mahomes wasn't invited. Please tell me the difference? Jackson made key mistakes that took his team out of contention late and is on a team not even in a big six bowl. His stats don't compare to Mahomes either.

  Jackson is garbage. He will be the worst Heisman ever.
  
  To answer your question, the media latched on to Jackson from Day 1 and once that happens you secure the Heisman no matter what. It's extremely rare for a 'dark horse/unknown' to have a big season and win the Heisman that way. You need to be identified as the leader on Day 1 and have a mediocre season to win it.
• wildcats20

  

  ironman02;1828084 wrote:Houston just hired Major Applewhite instead of Kiffin.

  Lane going to Baton Rouge then?
• Benny The Jet

  

  sleeper;1828088 wrote:Jackson is garbage. He will be the worst Heisman ever.
  
  To answer your question, the media latched on to Jackson from Day 1 and once that happens you secure the Heisman no matter what. It's extremely rare for a 'dark horse/unknown' to have a big season and win the Heisman that way. You need to be identified as the leader on Day 1 and have a mediocre season to win it.

  Agreed. The only time it didn't pan out that way was with Fournette last year. They all but engraved his name about 7 weeks in, then it went south in a hurry and didn't get it. The ESPN Hype-machine has a TON to do with who wins.
• mcburg93

  

  Benny The Jet;1828086 wrote:Whoa, what do you have against Fickell? Other than choosing to start Bauserman over Braxton, as a DC I think he's pretty stinkin good.
  
  Sounds like we could lose 2-3 assistant coaches. Hopefully that doesn't affect any recruits already verballed or deciding.

  I agree with this. He has done very well with the defense. Not sure why anyone would be disappointed with him as DC.
• ironman02

  wildcats20;1828089 wrote:Lane going to Baton Rouge then?

  That could be interesting. If that happens, then it's just because he and Saban don't really like each other. lol
• ironman02

  Warriner rumored to be in consideration for the WKU job.
  
  OSU gonna lose Fickell, Coombs, and Warriner? That would be rough.
• Benny The Jet

  

  ironman02;1828106 wrote:Warriner rumored to be in consideration for the WKU job.
  
  OSU gonna lose Fickell, Coombs, and Warriner? That would be rough.

  Shiano's name still floating around too. Hopefully one of them takes Beck with them.
• ironman02

  Benny The Jet;1828108 wrote:Shiano's name still floating around too. Hopefully one of them takes Beck with them.

  Seems like Strong is the main candidate for USF now. I guess if he gets that job, then Schiano just stays at OSU and is the DC possibly. If Schiano was hired at USF, then I would assume Urban would try to get Strong to be the new DC.
  
  Also heard that Oregon has contacted Strong to be their new DC.
• Sonofanump

  sleeper;1828088 wrote:Jackson is garbage. He will be the worst Heisman ever.

  He is better than Crouch, Tebow, JFF, Weinke & Torreta.
• Iliketurtles

  

  Sonofanump;1828123 wrote:He is better than Crouch, Tebow, JFF, Weinke & Torreta.

  For what they did in college I'd probably only take Jackson over Torreta and Crouch. Crouch was garbage.
• Benny The Jet

  

  Sonofanump;1828123 wrote:He is better than Crouch, Tebow, JFF, Weinke & Torreta.

  Tebow and JFF?!? Oof. That's a stretch for me. Both were playing SEC schedule, when the SEC was top dog. Personal opinion, I'd still take them over Jackson.
• Sonofanump

  Benny The Jet;1828128 wrote:Tebow and JFF?!? Oof. That's a stretch for me. Both were playing SEC schedule, when the SEC was top dog. Personal opinion, I'd still take them over Jackson.

  JFF had two plays: Run around then scramble for a distance, Run around then throw the ball up to Evans who was the best skill player that year.
• sleeper

  

  I'll make a correction; worst Heisman winner since JFF.
• Azubuike24

  

  The difference is Manziel's Heisman team went 11-2 including a win over the #1 team on the road. Manziel and Jackson's stats are similar, but Jackson's team didn't accomplish anything, they end their season not only fading out of the playoff race, but out of their own conference race and out of the big six bowl race with back to back losses to end the season.
  
  Now, we can all admit the Heisman candidates are very weak this year, but at the same time, the formula for coming up with "candidates" has been exposed more than ever this year. Is it best talents? Well, arguably the top 5 offensive players in the country in-terms of talent, won't be in New York. That's fine, is it best stats? Well, the guys with the best stats (Mahomes, Pumphrey, etc...), aren't in New York. What's the criteria? Seems like they are hedging their bets by trying to pick pretty good statistics from pretty good teams.
  
  It creates a bad race.
• Azubuike24

  

  Deshaun Watson, Clemson - 12-1 record and in the CFP, 4443 total yards, 43 total TD, 616 total touches (passes and rushes)
  Jake Browning, Washington - 12-1 record and in the CFP, 3346 total yards, 46 total TD, 410 total touches (passes and rushes)
  
  Please tell me how Browning isn't there but Watson is?
• Benny The Jet

  

  Azubuike24;1828135 wrote:Deshaun Watson, Clemson - 12-1 record and in the CFP, 4443 total yards, 43 total TD, 616 total touches (passes and rushes)
  Jake Browning, Washington - 12-1 record and in the CFP, 3346 total yards, 46 total TD, 410 total touches (passes and rushes)
  
  Please tell me how Browning isn't there but Watson is?

  Good question. I would say it has to do with pre-season hype, but I feel like Jackson didn't have a ton, did he? For Browning...playing out West and starting games at 10pm doesn't help. He's not flashy like Mariotta was either that make Sportscenter highlights. But I agree, he should be there...especially in place of Peppers.
• vball10set

  Con_Alma;1828081 wrote:Fickell is now in contract negotiations with UC.
  
  Strong is in Tampa today continuing talks with USF. He has also been approached by Oregon to be DC.

  http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2016/12/77928/report-ed-warinner-could-replace-jeff-brohm-at-western-kentucky
  
  http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2016/12/77926/report-ohio-state-co-defensive-coordinator-luke-fickell-negotiating-with-cincinnati
• Azubuike24

  

  Benny The Jet;1828138 wrote:Good question. I would say it has to do with pre-season hype, but I feel like Jackson didn't have a ton, did he? For Browning...playing out West and starting games at 10pm doesn't help. He's not flashy like Mariotta was either that make Sportscenter highlights. But I agree, he should be there...especially in place of Peppers.

  Which is why the Jackson hype is ridiculous.
  
  He touched the ball 616 times. That means the ball is in his hands to pass or run 51.3 times per game. You're telling me that with that usage and against the Louisville schedule that many other guys couldn't do that same thing?
• Con_Alma

  Fickell has been named HC at UC. A formal announcement is said to come tomorrow.
• wildcats20

  

  Good for Fick. He definitely deserved another shot after taking over for Tress.
  
  Hopefully, it stays with the team through the Playoff run.
• FatHobbit

  

  wildcats20;1828151 wrote:Good for Fick. He definitely deserved another shot after taking over for Tress.
  
  Hopefully, it stays with the team through the Playoff run.

  I agree with this. I'd like to see him do well at Cinci and then have a shot when Urban is done. I feel like he was a loyal buckeye after the mess with Tressle, but he also did not look great in his one year as head coach so success at a smaller school would be good for him. I'm definitely rooting for him.
• Benny The Jet

  

  FatHobbit;1828153 wrote:I agree with this. I'd like to see him do well at Cinci and then have a shot when Urban is done. I feel like he was a loyal buckeye after the mess with Tressle, but he also did not look great in his one year as head coach so success at a smaller school would be good for him. I'm definitely rooting for him.

  Wonder how long til we know about Coombs too