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OldDanTucker

the big east is.

Florida-51
UC-24

FSU-33
WVU-21

Also the fact that USF is tied 3-3 with Northern Illinois righ now. The only 2 wins for the big least so far this bowl season is Rutgers over UCF(sorry that im not that impressed) and Pitts(2nd best BL team) win over UNC(6th best acc team). The BCS needs to get rid of the auto-bid for the big east and give it to the MWC.

mallymal614

The Big East is getting beat on more than Notre Dame lol.

devil1197

Pitt beat UNC 19-17.

Skyhook79

OldDanTucker wrote: the big east is.

Florida-51
UC-24

FSU-33
WVU-21

Also the fact that USF is tied 3-3 with Northern Illinois righ now. The only win for the big least so far this bowl season is Rutgers over UCF(sorry that im not that impressed). The BCS needs to get rid of the auto-bid for the big east and give it to the MWC.

Pitt (2nd best in the Big East) beat UNC (6th best in the ACC) in a close one.
But your right the MWC is much better.

OldDanTucker

Oops forgot a bout that one.

devil1197

After the top Big East teams went to the ACC (which hasn't been much better imo) they are right on par with the MWC.

charliehustle14

devil1197 wrote: After the top Big East teams went to the ACC (which hasn't been much better imo) they are right on par with the MWC.

I agree. The Big East was pretty good when it had Va Tech and Miami.

darbypitcher22

Big East got real weak when BC, Miami, and Va Tech left

BCSbunk

I agree. The Big East is not showing well in the only platform that we have to judge them on. Which is playing against teams that are similar in their conference ranking.

This is why the BCS system is worthless. Turns out the computers and the coaches were wrong in their analysis of teams. UC, Pitt were over ranked by a great amount. Pitt and N.Carolina were about dead even in actuality. UC and Pitt were also even. Those are all tier 2-3 teams. USF was ranked this year until they took a few beatings but this boosted the perception of the Big East inflating rankings.

After the bowls are over it appears TCU has indeed played an extremely tough schedule but because of the system they did not know until the bowl games expose the conferences strength.

eersandbeers

BCSbunk wrote: I agree. The Big East is not showing well in the only platform that we have to judge them on. Which is playing against teams that are similar in their conference ranking.

As has been proven time and again, this is simply false.

Since those three teams left, the BE has won 3 (3-2) BCS bowls. In the same time period, the ACC has won 1 (1-3) and the Big10 has won 3 (3-6).

If we want to go ahead and compare the overall bowl records we can do that also.

I don't mind the BE losing its automatic bid, but if if the BE does then so should the ACC. The Big East has actually met every single qualification to keep its bid. I believe the ACC missed it a couple years ago.

So if the OP is going to make claims like the BE should lose its automatic bid, then you should at least be consistent and apply it to other conferences also.

darbypitcher22 wrote: Big East got real weak when BC, Miami, and Va Tech left

Perception wise, but not in reality. Those three teams have did relatively nothing in the ACC.

OldDanTucker

2009 bowl games
MWC 4-0(1 game to play)
Big East 2-2(2 games to play)

2008 bowl games
MWC 2-3 (1 BCS bowl win)
Big East 4-2

2007 bowl games
MWC 4-1
Big East 3-2(1 BCS bowl win)

over the past 3 years the big east is 9-6 in bowl games 1-2 in bcs bowls. The MWC is 10-4 and so far 1-0 in bcs bowls.

Bowl games against BCS teams since 07
MWC 4-2
Big East 4-6

september63

UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.

OldDanTucker

september63 wrote: UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.

Agreed that will help but for the Big East to gain respect they need to win in the BCS games and need to improve their overal record in bowl games next season.

september63

OldDanTucker? Didnt Andy Griffith sing that song? and was he singing with the Darlings?

eersandbeers

OldDanTucker wrote:
september63 wrote: UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.
Agreed that will help but for the Big East to gain respect they need to win in the BCS games and need to improve their overal record in bowl games next season.

The Big10 and ACC need to improve in their BCS games to gain respect.

Since 2005

Big East (3-2)
ACC (1-3)
Big10 (3-6).

ytownfootball

Why only since 2005?

Big10=9 appearances

Big East AND ACC=9 appearances

? the point is what ?

DaBrowns41

eersandbeers wrote:
OldDanTucker wrote:
september63 wrote: UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.
Agreed that will help but for the Big East to gain respect they need to win in the BCS games and need to improve their overal record in bowl games next season.

The Big10 and ACC need to improve in their BCS games to gain respect.

Since 2005

Big East (3-2)
ACC (1-3)
Big10 (3-6).

If you really look at that, it's more like 1 team from each conference.

West Virginia is the reason for those BCS wins, and OSU is 1-3 since 2005 in the BCS, making the entire Big 10 look like crap.

charliehustle14

DaBrowns41 wrote:
eersandbeers wrote:
OldDanTucker wrote:
september63 wrote: UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.
Agreed that will help but for the Big East to gain respect they need to win in the BCS games and need to improve their overal record in bowl games next season.

The Big10 and ACC need to improve in their BCS games to gain respect.

Since 2005

Big East (3-2)
ACC (1-3)
Big10 (3-6).
If you really look at that, it's more like 1 team from each conference.

West Virginia is the reason for those BCS wins, and OSU is 1-3 since 2005 in the BCS, making the entire Big 10 look like crap.

Hey now, OSU is now 2-3 in BCS Bowls since 05 now

DaBrowns41

charliehustle14 wrote:
DaBrowns41 wrote:
eersandbeers wrote:
OldDanTucker wrote:
september63 wrote: UConn beating SC will help the Big East. Is 7-0 early but I think UConn wins this game.
Agreed that will help but for the Big East to gain respect they need to win in the BCS games and need to improve their overal record in bowl games next season.

The Big10 and ACC need to improve in their BCS games to gain respect.

Since 2005

Big East (3-2)
ACC (1-3)
Big10 (3-6).
If you really look at that, it's more like 1 team from each conference.

West Virginia is the reason for those BCS wins, and OSU is 1-3 since 2005 in the BCS, making the entire Big 10 look like crap.
Hey now, OSU is now 2-3 in BCS Bowls since 05 now

Ha, I wasn't sure that he was including this years wins, lol. Touche, sir.

DaBrowns41

FYI, though, USF is up 27-3 against NIU. Let the game play out next time.

Not that I'm defending the Big East, because aside from WVU, I think they are garbage. Although Pitt is showing promise.

ytownfootball

NIU....NIU...:rolleyes:

eersandbeers

ytownfootball wrote: Why only since 2005?

Because that is the modern conference we see today.

DaBrowns41

eersandbeers wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: Why only since 2005?

Because that is the modern conference we see today.

Really?

Then, why did the 2006 season finish with 3 Big Ten teams in the top 10, despite a NC game blowout of OSU?

profm

Speaking as an amateur statistician, the number of games played in BCS games is grossly inadequate to say anything about a conference, or an individual team for that matter.

OSU is now 2-3 in BCS games since 2005. They are 4-3 in BCS games under Tressel. They are 5-3 in BCS games since the system starts. The three losses came in a row, which made them look bad, but that really is a bad over-interpretation of the data available. If losing 3 BCS games in a row means that you are a terrible BCS team, does winning 4 BCS games in a row (which is what OSU did before losing the three) mean that OSU was a tremendous, unbeatable BCS team? Of course not, as subsequent events showed.

I'm glad that OSU got the (perceived) monkey off it's back with a BCS win. But if you look at all of the data, they've done pretty well in BCS games.

The recent data for the Big Ten doesn't look as good, but does it mean much? 3-6 in BCS games. If you add in OSU's win this year, it's 4-6. That's one game under exactly 50%.

You can prove almost anything if you are selective with your data and time frame. You could look at BCS games for 2 years, 5 years, 10 years or whatever. Or you could look at bowl games. Or you could look at non-conference games. Or you could look at games against rated teams. The number of choices are endless. The computerized rating systems generally use all of the data available, and are probably as good as you can get for rating teams.

OldDanTucker

Also a couple of the losses for the big10 were agaist U$C teams that would have crushed any Big East team(PSU last year and UM in 06). While the Big least gets its Bowl wins against Oklahoma teams that cant seem to beat anyone in BCS games and ACC teams

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