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MARCH MADNESS 2014 - NCAA Tourney Thread

  • Prescott
    There is no 'Best in the Country" Hell, the guy who coached Mercer this might be the better than most.
  • mhs95_06
    reclegend22;1598171 wrote:Jim Calhoun had six McDonald's All-Americans to Tom Izzo's nine from 2000 on and won national titles in 2004 and 2011, in addition to the title he won in 1999. Louisville has also had just six McDonald's All-Americans since Rick Pitino took over.

    Tom Izzo has had plenty of talent to work with compared to most schools. Duke and Carolina are who they are and of course attract insane amounts of Mickey Ds, but that's far from the norm. For example, Florida has just 11 of them since 2000. Two titles for Billy D.

    Tom Izzo is a great coach. Not the best in the country. A 1-5 record of winning it all at the Final Four is just not that great.
    Out of six times, how many times did he get to the championship? Is he worse than .500 winning the first game?
  • wildcats20
    mhs95_06;1598173 wrote:Out of six times, how many times did he get to the championship? Is he worse than .500 winning the first game?
    Been to the championship game twice. 1 for 2.
  • wildcats20
    So yes, 2-4 in Final Four games.
  • reclegend22
    Prescott;1598172 wrote:There is no 'Best in the Country" Hell, the guy who coached Mercer this might be the better than most.
    Good Mercer reference.

    I do agree with you, though, about there not really being a "greatest" coach out there (it's way to subjective a topic), which is what makes it so bizarre any time anyone here claims Izzo is that coach. His record at the Final Four just doesn't stack up.
  • gut
    reclegend22;1598176 wrote: His record at the Final Four just doesn't stack up.
    That argument gets obliterated is MSU wins the championship this year - then Izzo would have 2 titles to go with 7 Final 4 appearances, matching Pitino and Williams, among others.
  • Terry_Tate
    Ironman92;1598162 wrote:SMH

    My wife's ONLY bracket.

    Good so far but it's going to shit when UK wins tomorrow.
  • reclegend22
    gut;1598177 wrote:That argument gets obliterated is MSU wins the championship this year - then Izzo would have 2 titles to go with 7 Final 4 appearances, matching Pitino and Williams, among others.
    As I said in my first post about this, if Izzo wins another title this year, then I will include him in that conversation. As of the moment, he's great, but not as legendary as he is often made out to be.
  • gut
    reclegend22;1598179 wrote:As I said in my first post about this, if Izzo wins another title this year, then I will include him in that conversation. As of the moment, he's great, but not as legendary as he is often made out to be.
    I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.

    If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
  • wildcats20
    Nice chase down block.
  • SportsAndLady
    gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.

    If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
    You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?
  • reclegend22
    gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.

    If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
    It sort of does when Izzo is constantly praised for how he has gotten every recruiting class he has coached to the Final Four (assuming Michigan State advances there this year), despite only the one title. I just want to see him prove he can win it all again before bestowing him holy status. His only championship was 15 seasons ago.
  • SportsAndLady
    Not many coaches have won 2. When you reach that mark, that is legendary.
  • wildcats20
    SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?
    This.

    There are only 14 coaches with multiple titles. There are 33 who have 1.

    And honestly, it's only 13. Because Wooden has 10. NO ONE will ever get close to 10.
  • vball10set
    Dayton hanging tough, but it may be too little, too late.
  • gut
    SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?
    Statistical significance, yes. 2 in 7 is not a statistically significant difference from 1/6 or 1/7
  • wildcats20
    gut;1598188 wrote:Statistical significance, yes. 2 in 7 is not a statistically significant difference from 1/6 or 1/7
    2 > 1.

    That is literally all that matters in this discussion.
  • vball10set
    Sibert 0 for 3 in the first half with zero attempts in the second half...wow.
  • wildcats20
    vball10set;1598190 wrote:Sibert 0 for 3 in the first half with zero attempts in the second half...wow.
    Pretty much the only reason I know he's out there is because he lost a shoe a while back.
  • gut
    wildcats20;1598189 wrote:2 > 1.

    That is literally all that matters in this discussion.
    If MSU wins the title this year, it will show how stupid your argument is because he's still the same coach 2 weeks from now.

    The point I was making is if Pitino and Williams only have 2 titles in 7 trips...then it kind of tells you it's REALLY hard to win the title. While 33 coaches might have 1 title, how many of those have been to 6+ Final Fours?

    If you want to look at a guy's career and say 1 title doesn't cut it, that's fine. But 6 Final Fours doesn't help your case, it puts him in elite company.
  • wildcats20
    Dayton CANNOT get a rebound.
  • Mulva
    Finney-Smith is a terrible shooter.
  • SportsAndLady
    gut;1598192 wrote:If MSU wins the title this year, it will show how stupid your argument is because he's still the same coach 2 weeks from now.

    The point I was making is if Pitino and Williams only have 2 titles in 7 trips...then it kind of tells you it's REALLY hard to win the title. While 33 coaches might have 1 title, how many of those have been to 6+ Final Fours?

    If you want to look at a guy's career and say 1 title doesn't cut it, that's fine. But 6 Final Fours doesn't help your case, it puts him in elite company.
    Lol do you realize how wrong you are? There is a huge difference in 2 titles over 1, yet if izzo wins his second this year he's the same? Maybe coaching wise. But in college basketball history he took a huge leap.
  • reclegend22
    Dayton getting absolutely no calls down the stretch. Would make it especially great to see them pull of a miracle comeback and take down Florida. Flyers hanging around, but time is running out.
  • wildcats20
    reclegend22;1598197 wrote:Dayton getting absolutely no calls down the stretch. Would make it especially great to see them pull of a miracle comeback and take down Florida. Flyers hanging around, but time is running out.
    Yeah there wasn't much of a foul on that board. More of a travel for falling to the floor.