30 FOR 30: Youngstown Boys - Sat., 12/14 at 9:00pm on ESPN

• LJ

  

  vball10set;1554069 wrote:His comments reinforced his love and loyalty to his players, but it'd be naïve to think that no one in the administration was aware of the memorabilia for tattoo situation. Coach Tressel was accountable for what went on and paid dearly for the "cover up", but to assume he was the only one involved is ludicrous.

  His comments also strongly stated that he wouldn't make the mistake again of letting someone step in and throw someone away. I believe he was the only one. He his it from the admin to protect the players. People just want to believe that he took the fall because they like Tressel and hate Gene Smith.
• vball10set

  LJ;1554072 wrote:His comments also strongly stated that he wouldn't make the mistake again of letting someone step in and throw someone away. I believe he was the only one. He his it from the admin to protect the players. People just want to believe that he took the fall because they like Tressel and hate Gene Smith.

  Smith isn't the only one considered 'administration', and whether I like him or not has no bearing on what I believe to have happened (for the record, I really don't have any real like or dislike for the guy). You believe he is the only one that was aware of it, and I don't. We disagree on something-imagine that!
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Anyone got a link for this? I dont have cable and don't want to wait for it to come on to nexflix.
• xKoToVxSyNdRoMe

  

  Kind of a side note but holy shit that/those Miami teams were awesome.
• se-alum

  

  Commander of Awesome;1554083 wrote:Anyone got a link for this? I dont have cable and don't want to wait for it to come on to nexflix.

  http://watchseries.lt/episode/30_for_30_s2_e15.html
• centralbucksfan

  vball10set;1554076 wrote:Smith isn't the only one considered 'administration', and whether I like him or not has no bearing on what I believe to have happened (for the record, I really don't have any real like or dislike for the guy). You believe he is the only one that was aware of it, and I don't. We disagree on something-imagine that!

  Well, its pretty much proven that Tressel was the FIRST person to know or be warned what was going on. I believe that was the email that was made public. What he did after that, is the major question. Did he got to Gene Smith? I highly doubt it. Did he warn the players? Maybe so. But it obviously didn't stop them. As loyal as he was with past players, and some of the favortism he showed to other plays, I HIGHLY doubt he took the information to the administration knowing full well what would have happened. Right or wrong, he was trying to protect the players. In the end, he ended up hurting OSU and ALL of the players. He sacrificed the whole for a few. Thats the sad part. One thing I know from a pretty reliable source is that Tressel had his favorites. Prior being one of them. The kid was typically the last one on the field for practice, and the first one off. It didn't go over well with many on the team or other coaches. Tressel did nothing. I think she same happened with MoC as well.
• vball10set

  ^^^Fair enough, and I know we do agree on one thing here--Tressel is a good guy.
• vball10set

  ^^^ok, fair enough, and good post...bottom line, Tressel's a good guy who looks out for his players, but in the end it cost him his job. I still think his legacy at OSU is a good one, but there will always be detractors (right, Tearnan?)
• Classyposter58

  

  xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1554115 wrote:Kind of a side note but holy shit that/those Miami teams were awesome.

  Please, they weren't in the SEC so they can't be that good
  
  /ESPN'd
• lhslep134

  

  centralbucksfan;1554000 wrote:I honestly don't buy that Tressel fell on the sword at all..

  He did. It was also a factual inaccuracy in 'Youngstown Boys' that Tressel didn't tell anyone in Ohio State's administration, because he did.
• centralbucksfan

  lhslep134;1554396 wrote:He did. It was also a factual inaccuracy in 'Youngstown Boys' that Tressel didn't tell anyone in Ohio State's administration, because he did.

  Really? And you know this how? The only sword he fell on, was the one for the players. And in the end, it ended up worse than it should have because of what he chose to do.
• lhslep134

  

  centralbucksfan;1554398 wrote:Really? And you know this how? The only sword he fell on, was the one for the players. And in the end, it ended up worse than it should have because of what he chose to do.

  He fell on the sword for the University, not necessarily the athletic department (think very hard about this distinction).
  
  I know this because I had an intimate conversation with the lawyer who represented Tressel in front of the NCAA during the whole ordeal (he made the briefest of appearances in 'Youngstown Boys')
• queencitybuckeye

  centralbucksfan;1554398 wrote:Really? And you know this how? The only sword he fell on, was the one for the players. And in the end, it ended up worse than it should have because of what he chose to do.

  The same way you "know" things from your "reliable source".
• lhslep134

  

  queencitybuckeye;1554401 wrote:The same way you "know" things from your "reliable source".

  And this is why I don't post inside information on here. Because no matter how credible your source, there's people like you who question it.
  
  I PM'd vball (b/c of our JJ huddle days) what happened shortly after I had the conversation with the lawyer, specifically saying "I don't feel like posting it because I don't feel like wasting energy defending my source" or something like that.
  
  But with so many on here posting factual inaccuracies, it was time to come out and defend Tressel's falling on the sword.
  
  It really wasn't that tough of a choice for Tressel, because the choices were either a) re-hash what happened with the office that Tressel passed the email on to and maybe get lenience while exposing OSU to trouble or b) don't bring it up again, just keep your mouth shut and get no lenience while OSU avoids trouble
• queencitybuckeye

  lhslep134;1554402 wrote:And this is why I don't post inside information on here. Because no matter how credible your source, there's people like you who question it.
  

  The situation is long over. If you really know something, there's no reason on earth not to prove it. Actually, there's one and only one.
• lhslep134

  

  queencitybuckeye;1554404 wrote:The situation is long over. If you really know something, there's no reason on earth not to prove it. Actually, there's one and only one.

  It's called tact. Just because I had a non-confidential conversation doesn't mean that some parties involved don't still have their jobs, and it could get back to them I'm blabbing about it.
  
  But sounds like that's not a good enough reason to you. So for that, I laugh at you, because I'm giving you truthful and factual inside info and you're dismissing it. That's all on you bro.
• centralbucksfan

  queencitybuckeye;1554401 wrote:The same way you "know" things from your "reliable source".

  Funny guy. Its not hard to know someone who knows someone to get "general" information. OSU football program is quite large with many people involved. I never claim to know anything of significance...smart ass.
• queencitybuckeye

  lhslep134;1554407 wrote:It's called tact. Just because I had a non-confidential conversation doesn't mean that some parties involved don't still have their jobs, and it could get back to them I'm blabbing about it.
  
  But sounds like that's not a good enough reason to you. So for that, I laugh at you, because I'm giving you truthful and factual inside info and you're dismissing it. That's all on you bro.

  Which is more likely:
  
  Some anonymous poster with no particular credentials has some great secret not otherwise revealed by the scores of people digging into the situation.
  
  You're making shit up.
  
  Occam's razor works perfectly here.
• centralbucksfan

  lhslep134;1554402 wrote:And this is why I don't post inside information on here. Because no matter how credible your source, there's people like you who question it.
  
  I PM'd vball (b/c of our JJ huddle days) what happened shortly after I had the conversation with the lawyer, specifically saying "I don't feel like posting it because I don't feel like wasting energy defending my source" or something like that.
  
  But with so many on here posting factual inaccuracies, it was time to come out and defend Tressel's falling on the sword.
  
  It really wasn't that tough of a choice for Tressel, because the choices were either a) re-hash what happened with the office that Tressel passed the email on to and maybe get lenience while exposing OSU to trouble or b) don't bring it up again, just keep your mouth shut and get no lenience while OSU avoids trouble

  I'll take your word for it..simply because you explained yourself. That does go a long way. But that being said, even with this information, it doesn't clear Tressel completely. He ran the football program. And if he truly wanted to do the right thing, he could have pushed for things to be done the right way.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Watched last night thanks to the link that SE provided.
  
  Pretty solid, forgot what a fucking beast he was. Drinking vodka on the sidelines of an NFL game is crazy and his friend/agent guy is a fucking moron. Amazing to me that that guy has that amount of money being that fucking dumb.
• lhslep134

  

  queencitybuckeye;1554411 wrote:Which is more likely:
  
  Some anonymous poster with no particular credentials has some great secret not otherwise revealed by the scores of people digging into the situation.
  
  You're making shit up.
  
  Occam's razor works perfectly here.

  That's a very valid point that I don't have the credentials to have this information, because it was a mere happenstance that I even came across it. I was working in the UofA athletic department when a guy, Tressel's lawyer during the whole ordeal, came to talk not only to Byrne but also the coaches and the compliance office and then the law school. I had lunch with the guy and asked him what really happened, because I had suspicions that Tressel fell on the sword for Gene Smith (not completely the case, since Tressel had forwarded the emails to someone above Gene Smith).
  
  I don't care if that's good enough or not for you because that's how I found out.
• vball10set

  lhslep134;1554402 wrote:
  
  I PM'd vball (b/c of our JJ huddle days) what happened shortly after I had the conversation with the lawyer, specifically saying "I don't feel like posting it because I don't feel like wasting energy defending my source" or something like that.
  

  I wanted desperately to say something about this, but felt it might compromise your confidentiality. Thanks for revealing you told me this.
• centralbucksfan

  lhslep134;1554415 wrote:That's a very valid point that I don't have the credentials to have this information, because it was a mere happenstance that I even came across it. I was working in the UofA athletic department when a guy, Tressel's lawyer during the whole ordeal, came to talk not only to Byrne but also the coaches and the compliance office and then the law school. I had lunch with the guy and asked him what really happened, because I had suspicions that Tressel fell on the sword for Gene Smith (not completely the case, since Tressel had forwarded the emails to someone above Gene Smith).
  
  I don't care if that's good enough or not for you because that's how I found out.

  No reason not to believe you. But what I question, first of all, is why would Tressel lawyer give out this information((client confidentiality). And second, the emails are all available to the public. Just as Tressels emails were available, why were the others (those he sent to), not? Doesn't make much sense that others were not exposed. This wasn't only an NCAA investigation, but a federal one as well. For those not to become public...many people would have to be involved in some major cover up.
• lhslep134

  

  centralbucksfan;1554419 wrote:No reason not to believe you. But what I question, first of all, is why would Tressel lawyer give out this information((client confidentiality).

  There's nothing confidential because it wasn't a legal proceeding and it should be in the transcript of the hearing. But like I said, it was passed over (I'm assuming inadvertently) by the NCAA investigators.
  
  I'll ask you this question to help you get a better sense of what I'm talking about: if you were a professor at OSU, and a legal issue came up in regards to a student or something that happened in class, who would you tell?
• centralbucksfan

  lhslep134;1554428 wrote:There's nothing confidential because it wasn't a legal proceeding and it should be in the transcript of the hearing. But like I said, it was passed over (I'm assuming inadvertently) by the NCAA investigators.
  
  I'll ask you this question to help you get a better sense of what I'm talking about: if you were a professor at OSU, and a legal issue came up in regards to a student or something that happened in class, who would you tell?

  The Dean of that particular college and or the person who is directly above me. Chain of command.