College Basketball Random Chatter 2012-2013 Season

• Azubuike24

  

  Agree. Winner of B1G is a lock. Possibly 2 #1 seeds if potentially UM beats IU, and then they play in the finals. Barring an OSU upset to Illinois, the winner of Wisky/MSU tomorrow will finish in a 4-way tie (neither will lose their game this weekend).
  
  Tiebreakers? I assume IU is still the #1 seed as they are the only one who didn't split with the other 3 (swept MSU).
• gorocks99

  

  Azubuike24;1401763 wrote:Agree. Winner of B1G is a lock. Possibly 2 #1 seeds if potentially UM beats IU, and then they play in the finals. Barring an OSU upset to Illinois, the winner of Wisky/MSU tomorrow will finish in a 4-way tie (neither will lose their game this weekend).
  
  Tiebreakers? I assume IU is still the #1 seed as they are the only one who didn't split with the other 3 (swept MSU).

  If it's a four-way tie with Wisconsin in the mix (i.e., they beat MSU), Wisconsin will be the 1 seed in the BTT as they swept Indiana, swept Michigan and split with OSU.
• Laley23

  

  If Wisky beats MSU, they are the 1 seed (pending IU loss). If MSU beats Wisky, IU is the 1 seed as soon as the game is over.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Will Wisconsin ever reach a final four under Bo Ryan? Is this the year they do it?
• sleeper

  

  Fly4Fun;1401870 wrote:Will Wisconsin ever reach a final four under Bo Ryan? Is this the year they do it?

  No they won't.
• Laley23

  

  Fly4Fun;1401870 wrote:Will Wisconsin ever reach a final four under Bo Ryan? Is this the year they do it?

  I doubt it. And I definitely dont think it will be this year.
• sleeper

  

  I think 2 B1G teams will make the final four. Indiana and MSU are my front runners but Mich/OSU/Wisconsin are in the mix as well. I really can't wait for MM to start; going to be a hell of a tournament.
• Heretic

  

  Mulva;1401568 wrote:My big accomplishment at work today was requesting the 21st and 22nd off.

  It was Monday for me, but I did the same thing. For about the fourth year in a row. Beer and basketball for one four-day weekend -- IT'S FAN-TASTIC!!!
• reclegend22

  

  Wisconsin's best shot at a Final Four was in 2005, when the Badgers went to the Elite Eight with Alando Tucker. Had Wisconsin been matched up with Villanova in that regional final game, the Badgers go to St. Louis and play for the national championship.
  
  Instead, Wisconsin got North Carolina, who clinched its Sweet 16 game after Villanova's Allan Ray was called for a phantom traveling call in the final seconds -- the referree sounded like he was playing the harmonica he was so filled with glee to blow that whistle -- after appearing to have had successfully tied the game on an and-one play.
  
  The athletically-superior Heels only took Bo Ryan's club out by six, though.
• Laley23

  

  A foul on that play would have been worse than the travel...so please dont say it should have been an and-1 with a chance to tie the game. Thats just as wrong as the travel.
• Azubuike24

  

  Basketball is the WORST sport to go back and try to justify outcome changes based on a single foul or decision.
• reclegend22

  

  The real point of the post was that Bo Ryan is fully capable of getting Wisconsin to a Final Four. I believe he will before he retires.
• reclegend22

  

  Azubuike24;1402079 wrote:Basketball is the WORST sport to go back and try to justify outcome changes based on a single foul or decision.

  The travel call without a doubt had an impact on the game. It essentially ended the game, as it was called in the final five seconds. It's no different than a non-call in any sport. The outcome certainly could have been different with a non-call in that instance.
• reclegend22

  

  Laley23;1402065 wrote:A foul on that play would have been worse than the travel...so please dont say it should have been an and-1 with a chance to tie the game. Thats just as wrong as the travel.

  I said "appeared" for a reason. If you were watching the ball as the original whistle sounded, the initial reaction is that a foul was called because there was without a doubt no travel on that play. It is clear as day. The travel call came out of left field.
• ironman02

  You trying to re-write history, rec?
  
  If Felton hadn't been called for a bogus 5th foul, he would have been in the game for the final 2 or 3 minutes and Carolina's 8 point lead wouldn't have evaporated without their floor general.
  
  I can play that game too!
• reclegend22

  

  Nope. Just pointing out a blatant, made-up call. Perhaps the foul on Felton was as well, but that was way too long ago for me to recall. A call that happened with 5 seconds left on the clock is always going to be more scrutinized and remembered, though. If anything, I am simply playing the what-if game. I find it interesting to wonder what might have happened had Wisconsin played Villanova, a team that I think the Badgers would have beaten with their size and methodical outside shooting. I think Wisconsin eventually would have went on to play Illinois for the national championship that year.
  
  I just find what-if scenarios fun to think about.
• ironman02

  Carolina was up 66-63 when this happened, I believe. After Ray was called for traveling, McCants was fouled and made one of two from the line to lead 67-63. Kyle Lowry made it a 67-66 game by hitting a three and then heaved a desperation shot as time expired after Carolina threw away the inbounds pass. Even if the travel wasn't called, Villanova doesn't win in regulation, and Carolina even has a chance to beat them on the final possession. And that's assuming that Ray makes the free throw.
  
  
  A lot of what-ifs, but if I was in your shoes, I might have seen it that way also.
• reclegend22

  

  ironman02;1402305 wrote:Carolina was up 66-63 when this happened, I believe. After Ray was called for traveling, McCants was fouled and made one of two from the line to lead 67-63. Kyle Lowry made it a 67-66 game by hitting a three and then heaved a desperation shot as time expired after Carolina threw away the inbounds pass. Even if the travel wasn't called, Villanova doesn't win in regulation, and Carolina even has a chance to beat them on the final possession. And that's assuming that Ray makes the free throw.
  
  
  A lot of what-ifs, but if I was in your shoes, I might have seen it that way also.

  There is probably some truth in that. But all I can remember is the official blowing his whistle on that travel with the fervor of a deck hand calling for lifeboats to return to the Titanic. It was an egregious call. Then again, I was the world's biggest wildcat that day.
• wildcats20

  

  It's pretty funny that you can remember a call that went Carolina's way, but not one that went Nova's way.
• reclegend22

  

  wildcats20;1402312 wrote:It's pretty funny that you can remember a call that went Carolina's way, but not one that went Nova's way.

  It's not supernatural. The call that I remember happened with five seconds left, and was talked about endlessly as soon as the game was over. The foul on Felton happened during the regular course of the game, with several minutes left. As I stated, it's much easier to recall a call that occurred during the final seconds of a game, especially when so much speculation proceeded it. It's no different than the pass inference call in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl between Ohio State and Miami. It was a big call that was much scrutinized.
• vball10set

  I have to say you guys have great recall. That, or you're quoting a wikipedea account of the game
• Mulva

  

  The only thing I remember about Allen Ray is his eyeball hanging out of its socket.
• ironman02

  Mulva;1402333 wrote:The only thing I remember about Allen Ray is his eyeball hanging out of its socket.

  That was awful. One of those sports injuries that just makes you sick at your stomach.
• Mulva

  

  Kentucky is in big trouble @ UGA. And according to Yahoo Kyle Wiltjer may be starting to panic.
  

  4:24

  UK

  Kyle Wiltjer misses a 999-foot three-pointer

• reclegend22

  

  vball10set;1402330 wrote:I have to say you guys have great recall. That, or you're quoting a wikipedea account of the game

  Lol. As I said, it's much easier to recall the final play of a game. Ironman02, however, seems to have taken the pill from Limitless. His account of the final five minutes had the detail of a dictionary lol. But he knows his Carolina hoops so I'm sure he remembers it very well. That was a championship season, and I can recall Duke's title years with great precision.