Heisman trophy 2012

• se-alum

  

  It is Klein's to lose. T'eo wouldn't be in consideration if he didn't play for ND(and I'm not an ND basher). I would take Manziel at this point over Miller.
• LJ

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314010 wrote:Sleeper used the word shitty, I'm using it as "not great." i.e. not an All-American.

  
  There are like 5 teams that had a qb that was an all America that won a NC. Every team that has won a nc in the bcs era has had extremely efficient qbs and can run the hell out of the ball.
• Automatik

  

  se-alum;1314012 wrote:It is Klein's to lose. T'eo wouldn't be in consideration if he didn't play for ND(and I'm not an ND basher). I would take Manziel at this point over Miller.

  Manziel is a baller, one of my favorite players in all of CFB. I completely forgot about him. Is he even getting much talk regarding the Heisman?
  
  He has impressed me since week 1....kid plays with no fear. His time will come.
• Tiernan

  Sounds like Klein is going to play but this may hurt him if they bring him back too soon.
• sjmvsfscs08

  LJ;1314023 wrote:There are like 5 teams that had a qb that was an all America that won a NC. Every team that has won a nc in the bcs era has had extremely efficient qbs and can run the hell out of the ball.

  2001 Miami
  2004 USC
  2005 Texas
  2006 Florida
  2008 Florida
  2010 Auburn
  
  ...weren't those QBs All-Americans?
• Automatik

  

  Chris Leak wasn't an AA.
• Crimson streak

  

  Automatik;1314040 wrote:Manziel is a baller, one of my favorite players in all of CFB. I completely forgot about him. Is he even getting much talk regarding the Heisman?
  
  He has impressed me since week 1....kid plays with no fear. His time will come.

  
  I agree he's fun to watch. I can't wait to see him against bama
• Laley23

  

  Automatik;1314172 wrote:Chris Leak wasn't an AA.

  But Tebow was on the team, and, according to Sleeper, that counts.
• sleeper

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314171 wrote:2001 Miami
  2004 USC
  2005 Texas
  2006 Florida
  2008 Florida
  2010 Auburn
  
  ...weren't those QBs All-Americans?

  Talent wise no. Hype wise, yes. No wonder you are a Notre Dame fan.
• Automatik

  

  sleeper;1314183 wrote:Talent wise no. Hype wise, yes. No wonder you are a Notre Dame fan.

  Trollolololololol
• LJ

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314171 wrote:2001 Miami
  2004 USC
  2005 Texas
  2006 Florida
  2008 Florida
  2010 Auburn
  
  ...weren't those QBs All-Americans?

  2001 Miami - No
  2004 USC - Yes
  2005 Texas -Yes
  2006 Florida-No
  2008 Florida- Yes (CFN only that year)
  2010 Auburn -Yes (Consensus)
• sjmvsfscs08

  LJ;1314222 wrote:2001 Miami - No
  2004 USC - Yes
  2005 Texas -Yes
  2006 Florida-No
  2008 Florida- Yes (CFN only that year)
  2010 Auburn -Yes (Consensus)

  Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.
• LJ

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314606 wrote:Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.

  
  Yet sexy Rexy, Crouch and Randle-El snapped up all the AA honors that year.
• Automatik

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314606 wrote:Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.

  True, but you said All-American...that he was not, which is actually kinda hard to believe.
• sjmvsfscs08

  Oh fuck off
• LJ

  

  Automatik;1314620 wrote:True, but you said All-American...that he was not, which is actually kinda hard to believe.

  
  He doesnt really know what his actual argument is. The fact is every championship team has had an efficient qb, and a dynamic running game.
• Automatik

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314625 wrote:Oh fuck off

  I can't help if you don't know your shit. :laugh::laugh:
• sjmvsfscs08

  LJ;1314628 wrote:He doesnt really know what his actual argument is. The fact is every championship team has had an efficient qb, and a dynamic running game.

  The argument was with sleeper you twit. I have no disagreements with the "efficient QB + running game" model. Only an idiot would disagree with that.
• LJ

  

  sjmvsfscs08;1314659 wrote:The argument was with sleeper you twit. I have no disagreements with the "efficient QB + running game" model. Only an idiot would disagree with that.

  
  Except 2003 LSU is really the only team that had a great defense and shitty QB. Some of the teams you mentioned while trying to dispute that were just absolutely ignorant choices. Krenzel was the NC game MVP. McCarron is more than solid.
• FatHobbit

  

  LJ;1314684 wrote:Krenzel was the NC game MVP.

  And the leading rusher in the NC game. lol