Heisman trophy 2012

• Trueblue23

  

  BigAppleBuckeye;1296661 wrote:If improvement of team is factored in here (which it may not in the minds of many voters), then Miller has a decent shot of winning. Smith is a stud, no argument here, and he would get my vote right now, period. That being said, his team CRUSHED Clemson in a BCS game last year, while Miller has almost single-handedly taken an under .500 Buckeye team and turned them into an undefeated, top 10 team.

  Undefeated, yes. Top 10? Technically yes, but OSU is not a top 10 quality team this year.
• vball10set

  Trueblue23;1296762 wrote:Undefeated, yes. Top 10? Technically yes, but OSU is not a top 10 quality team this year.

  You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???
• WebFire

  vball10set;1296840 wrote:You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???

  Seems like we've had more years like that lately.
• Trueblue23

  

  vball10set;1296840 wrote:You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???

  WebFire;1296901 wrote:Seems like we've had more years like that lately.

  I agree with both of these. CFB isn't as strong as it used to be.
• 0311sdp

  That's because everyone wants to play right away and the great players are spread out over more teams. The only team right now who seems to be able to stock pile talent is Alabama.
• Automatik

  

  I figured I'd bump this.
  
  
  My list as of right now.
  
  Klein
  Miller
  Te'o
  Barner
  McCarron
  
  I could see only 4 getting the invite.
• vball10set

  Klein
  Miller
  Te'o
  Barner
• LJ

  

  Klein
  Miller
  Manziel
  Barner
  McCarron
• End of Line

  

  Top 5:
  
  Klein
  Miller
  Barner
  Manziel
  McCarron
• j_crazy

  

  My top 5:
  
  Manziel
  Klein
  Miller
  
  Te'o (if they lose he's gone)
  
  
  Barner
• sleeper

  

  Klein is going to win it. I don't know why anyone thinks Te'o even has a shot. A defensive player will never win the Heisman after Suh got shafted. It's the obligatory defensive player they pick so they can pretend it doesn't go to a QB or RB every year.
• Tiernan

  If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.
• Midstate01

  

  Tiernan;1313376 wrote:If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.

  
  Well technically miller doesn't play this week either.
• Crimson streak

  

  sleeper;1313340 wrote:Klein is going to win it. I don't know why anyone thinks Te'o even has a shot. A defensive player will never win the Heisman after Suh got shafted. It's the obligatory defensive player they pick so they can pretend it doesn't go to a QB or RB every year.

  
  Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about
• Crimson streak

  

  Tiernan;1313376 wrote:If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.

  
  No he won't Klein would still win it
• Automatik

  

  Unless everyone else falls off completely I don't think Miller has a realistic shot anyway.
  
  Like I said, I'll be happy with just an invite. If KSU wins out it's Klein's trophy.
• sleeper

  

  Crimson streak;1313379 wrote:Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about

  And what is that exactly? Te'o isn't deserving of the Heisman; he doesn't represent shit.
• sleeper

  

  Miller's only shot is to go undefeated and everyone else screw up. Not going to happen.
• vball10set

  Miller will get an invite this year, setting him up to win it next year.
• Automatik

  

  vball10set;1313399 wrote:Miller will get an invite this year, setting him up to win it next year.

  Back to back?
• Crimson streak

  

  sleeper;1313389 wrote:And what is that exactly? Te'o isn't deserving of the Heisman; he doesn't represent ****.

  
  He represents leadership not only on the field but off. He's an academic all American, and represents all that is good in college football. He's a great kid I'm going to be sad to see him leave nd
• End of Line

  

  Crimson streak;1313379 wrote:Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about

  Woodson won it bc he would also play on offense and would return punts/kicks. I agree with Sleeper, Suh got shafted on it. Te'o won't win it and his numbers actually aren't that great either compared to other LB's.
• Automatik

  

  I have nothing against Te'o, he's a great player, but skill wise he's not worthy of the Heisman.
  
  The only reason he's in the running is because he's ND's best player and they are back in the national spotlight. IMO he's not even as influential as the Honey Badger and look where he finished.
• Crimson streak

  

  End of Line;1313406 wrote:Woodson won it bc he would also play on offense and would return punts/kicks. I agree with Sleeper, Suh got shafted on it. Te'o won't win it and his numbers actually aren't that great either compared to other LB's.

  
  I'm not saying he should win it I'm just saying both Klein and te'o represent everything that the heisman stands for. There both great people. As for Woodson he is arguably the best college football player ever even if he is a douche
• vball10set

  Automatik;1313400 wrote:Back to back?

  Nah, he doesn't deserve it this year.