The Official NO PLAYOFF Thread
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Yama HamaNo thank you playoffs.
I like things the way they are. No.....its not perfect, but no sport is. People bitch every year about the NCAA tournament and the bubble teams that didn't make it. The NFL regular season is boring and meaningless, wake me up when the playoffs start. NCAA basketball has a really boring regular season too. Duke-Carolina is great and all, but they play twice a year and we know they're both making the tournament anyways so what does it matter?
Imagine 2002 Ohio State fans. I am not an Ohio State fan but I remember everything about that 2002 season. Each game was like a playoff game, you knew the season hung in the balance. King Right 64 Y Shallow Swap would have still happened, but you would know that if Jenkins doesn't catch that pass from Krenzel, OSU could still end the season with 1 loss and make the playoffs. So maybe Musberger never utters the phrase "Holy Buckeye!" because a loss is not as big of a deal.
I've been to a bowl game before (2006 Fiesta Bowl) and loved everything about it. Wasn't thinking "Gee I hope the winner gets to go on to another round and play for the National Title!" It was perfect (even with an ND loss). OSU won that game and they were champions. Maybe not National Champs, but champions none the less. They got to celebrate and end their season with a win. Something that doesn't happen in a playoff format.
And everyone screams "playoffs!" yet no one can agree on how to do it. Do 4 teams get in? 8? 16? I have news for you: the conferences will not sign off on a playoff unless their champion is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. So 4 teams is out. 8? That only leaves 2 spots for at-large bids. TCU and Boise, come on down! Florida....sorry maybe next year! 16? Yeah right. If anyone argues that a 4 loss team should have an opportunity to win the national championship....they're not a true fan of COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
Yes I'm sure I will get the arguments like "what about Team x from year x!?!" Well....sorry team x, life isn't fair. Neither is college football. But you went to a bowl game, ended your season with a victory, and can say you were undefeated. Maybe next time.
To all you Boise States, TCUs, Utahs, and Cincinnatis out there I say this: you knew this was possible. You KNOW you're not in one of the most respected conferences so you have to go the extra mile to be able say you have earned the right to be in the NC game. Scheduling Miami of Ohio, Virginia, and Southeast Missouri State in your out of conference games isn't helping and you know that. But that is the choice you make. If you want an easy win outside of your cupcake conference, know that it doesn't look good when you're bitching about not making the championship game.
College football ratings are going up every year. The SEC Championship game drew an 11.8 on the Nielson ratings. Thats UNREAL. Higher than most World Series games the past 5-7 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
So here we are, on the verge of Bowl season. 34 games, and 34 teams that will end the season with a victory and enjoy a vacation and gifts in more than likely an exotic location. -
Ironman92
I respect your opinon.....but completely disagree.
Having a #1 vs #8 and so forth format followed by semi finals and then the National Championship game....off the charts awesome -
Yama Hama
Try telling Florida, or TCU, or Boise State that they don't even make the top EIGHT. Then see how long that lasts. What you talk about is great in theory but no one actually thinks about it. It makes NO SENSE when you think about it. You'd still possibly have undefeated teams not making the playoffs.Ironman92 wrote: I respect your opinon.....but completely disagree.
Having a #1 vs #8 and so forth format followed by semi finals and then the National Championship game....off the charts awesome
Again, a great idea to think about but keep dreaming cuz it would never work. -
jordo212000
I love "The Regular season is the most important in all of sports" argument
well college football has the least important post-season of all sports. Seriously what other sport has coaches leaving their current team before their final game? -
Mooney44Cards
Try telling that to the millions of people that watch the bowl games every year, and the millions more who attend the games themselves. Bowl game ratings are going up. Pretty unimportant huh?jordo212000 wrote: well college football has the least important post-season of all sports. -
Yama Hama
Yeah the Ohio State players and fans, and the Oregon players and fans seemed pretty bummed out to be playing in such an unimportant gamejordo212000 wrote: I love "The Regular season is the most important in all of sports" argument
well college football has the least important post-season of all sports. Seriously what other sport has coaches leaving their current team before their final game? -
jordo212000
I love how you tell Boise St and TCU to play somebody when Texas (aka one of the teams playing in the championship game didn't play a soul OOC)
*UL Monroe
*Wyoming
*UTEP
*UCF -
jordo212000
What choice do the fans have? Its college football, its a great sport. Of course they are going to watch it.Mooney44Cards wrote:
Try telling that to the millions of people that watch the bowl games every year, and the millions more who attend the games themselves. Bowl game ratings are going up. Pretty unimportant huh?
The Rose Bowl is an unimportant game. What does it decide? Nothing. -
trep14
Do you work for the BCS? Are you contractually obligated to bring up each of the points that you did?Yama Hama wrote: No thank you playoffs.
I like things the way they are. No.....its not perfect, but no sport is. People bitch every year about the NCAA tournament and the bubble teams that didn't make it. The NFL regular season is boring and meaningless, wake me up when the playoffs start. NCAA basketball has a really boring regular season too. Duke-Carolina is great and all, but they play twice a year and we know they're both making the tournament anyways so what does it matter?
Imagine 2002 Ohio State fans. I am not an Ohio State fan but I remember everything about that 2002 season. Each game was like a playoff game, you knew the season hung in the balance. King Right 64 Y Shallow Swap would have still happened, but you would know that if Jenkins doesn't catch that pass from Krenzel, OSU could still end the season with 1 loss and make the playoffs. So maybe Musberger never utters the phrase "Holy Buckeye!" because a loss is not as big of a deal.
I've been to a bowl game before (2006 Fiesta Bowl) and loved everything about it. Wasn't thinking "Gee I hope the winner gets to go on to another round and play for the National Title!" It was perfect (even with an ND loss). OSU won that game and they were champions. Maybe not National Champs, but champions none the less. They got to celebrate and end their season with a win. Something that doesn't happen in a playoff format.
And everyone screams "playoffs!" yet no one can agree on how to do it. Do 4 teams get in? 8? 16? I have news for you: the conferences will not sign off on a playoff unless their champion is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. So 4 teams is out. 8? That only leaves 2 spots for at-large bids. TCU and Boise, come on down! Florida....sorry maybe next year! 16? Yeah right. If anyone argues that a 4 loss team should have an opportunity to win the national championship....they're not a true fan of COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
Yes I'm sure I will get the arguments like "what about Team x from year x!?!" Well....sorry team x, life isn't fair. Neither is college football. But you went to a bowl game, ended your season with a victory, and can say you were undefeated. Maybe next time.
To all you Boise States, TCUs, Utahs, and Cincinnatis out there I say this: you knew this was possible. You KNOW you're not in one of the most respected conferences so you have to go the extra mile to be able say you have earned the right to be in the NC game. Scheduling Miami of Ohio, Virginia, and Southeast Missouri State in your out of conference games isn't helping and you know that. But that is the choice you make. If you want an easy win outside of your cupcake conference, know that it doesn't look good when you're bitching about not making the championship game.
College football ratings are going up every year. The SEC Championship game drew an 11.8 on the Nielson ratings. Thats UNREAL. Higher than most World Series games the past 5-7 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
So here we are, on the verge of Bowl season. 34 games, and 34 teams that will end the season with a victory and enjoy a vacation and gifts in more than likely an exotic location. -
trep14
That, and no one will schedule Boise State and TCU...and why should they? It is a lose-lose situation. I can't believe any real college football fan would support this joke of a system.jordo212000 wrote: I love how you tell Boise St and TCU to play somebody when Texas (aka one of the teams playing in the championship game didn't play a soul OOC)
*UL Monroe
*Wyoming
*UTEP
*UCF -
Yama Hama
They don't have to....they're not in a garbage conference.jordo212000 wrote: I love how you tell Boise St and TCU to play somebody when Texas (aka one of the teams playing in the championship game didn't play a soul OOC)
*UL Monroe
*Wyoming
*UTEP
*UCF
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Missouri
Nebraska
These teams are all better than:
Miami (OH)
Fresno State
Bowling Green
UC Davis
Hawaii
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
Virginia
Texas State
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that the 1 or 2 tough games a year is equivalent to playing in the Big 12, even in a down year like 2009. -
jordo212000
Yeah avoid playing a tough mid major, skate through a propped up conference and then tell the mid-majors "you didn't play anybody, you don't deserve the chance to play" seems to be the current strategy for the BCS conference teams
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jordo212000
The mid-majors have a hard time finding teams with the sack to play them. Trep already brought that point up. It is almost border line collusion.Yama Hama wrote:
They don't have to....they're not in a garbage conference.
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Missouri
Nebraska
These teams are all better than:
Miami (OH)
Fresno State
Bowling Green
UC Davis
Hawaii
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
Virginia
Texas State
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that the 1 or 2 tough games a year is equivalent to playing in the Big 12, even in a down year like 2009. -
Yama Hama
Fine then. Lets do your 8 team playoff. Try telling the SEC that Florida isn't one of the 8 best teams in the country.jordo212000 wrote: Yeah avoid playing a tough mid major, skate through a propped up conference and then tell the mid-majors "you didn't play anybody, you don't deserve the chance to play" seems to be the current strategy for the BCS conference teams -
trep14
People don't seem to understand that there is little parity between the toughness of conferences any more. Every team has three or four games in a given season that they have to get up for, then they sleep walk through the rest. TCU beat Utah, BYU, and Clemson. This year Texas had tough games with Tech, Oklahoma, Okie State, and Nebraska. Everyone else (i.e. Baylor, A&M, Kansas, etc.) are as bad as any of the given teams that you listed above.Yama Hama wrote:
They don't have to....they're not in a garbage conference.jordo212000 wrote: I love how you tell Boise St and TCU to play somebody when Texas (aka one of the teams playing in the championship game didn't play a soul OOC)
*UL Monroe
*Wyoming
*UTEP
*UCF
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Missouri
Nebraska
These teams are all better than:
Miami (OH)
Fresno State
Bowling Green
UC Davis
Hawaii
San Jose State
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
Virginia
Texas State
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
UNLV
San Diego State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that the 1 or 2 tough games a year is equivalent to playing in the Big 12, even in a down year like 2009.
Hardly as much of a difference as you'd want to make it out to be. Texas is getting in to the NC game based solely on name recognition. -
jordo212000
we don't know who is one of the best teams in the country because there is no way of settling it on the field. It is a bunch of computers.
Do I know if Texas is better than TCU? No, they might be. Is Texas better than Cincy? Probably, but once again, I don't know and you don't know. That is why the system sucks. -
trep14
At the end of the day, Florida lost. Its a lot easier to leave a team out of the NC hunt that has lost than one that hasn't. If Florida agreed to a playoff, then got embarrassed on the field by Alabama, they wouldn't have too much to complain about.Yama Hama wrote:
Fine then. Lets do your 8 team playoff. Try telling the SEC that Florida isn't one of the 8 best teams in the country.jordo212000 wrote: Yeah avoid playing a tough mid major, skate through a propped up conference and then tell the mid-majors "you didn't play anybody, you don't deserve the chance to play" seems to be the current strategy for the BCS conference teams -
goosebumps
If there was a playoff I would watch every single playoff game. Whether I was a fan or not, I would watch. (given i watch every bowl game that I can anyway)
Ratings for the playoff games would be much higher than bowl games. The average viewer might not care about the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl if their teams arent in them. But if my favorite team plays the winner the following week or might play them in two weeks you better believe I'm watching.
Who knows, because the powers that be don't want a playoff bc they want to keep all the money to themselves and don't really care about who the best team in the country is. Maybe Auburn was the best team in '04 afterall they were undefeated. Boise in '06, Hell Utah's been undefeated twice in the last 5 years and yet no National titles on their walls. Tulane went undefeated in 98,Marshall in 99.
Yes BCS is better than the previous system, but why not a playoff? the only answer is money. -
Mooney44Cards
They should probably apply to join a better conference, or start their own then. Because even if they play one great team a year and beat them, I still don't find that fair. You have to get your team up for 1 week the whole season while teams like OSU, Texas, Florida, USC have to play a grueling conference schedule which is near impossible to survive unscathed. Seriously as long as those teams play mostly garbage teams no one will respect them.jordo212000 wrote: The mid-majors have a hard time finding teams with the sack to play them. Trep already brought that point up. It is almost border line collusion. -
trep14
Yeah the Big Ten is so grueling. Its so tough beating whoever is having the best year out of Wisconsin / Penn State / Iowa / Illinois / Michigan State (pick two if you want). :rolleyes:Mooney44Cards wrote:
They should probably apply to join a better conference, or start their own then. Because even if they play one great team a year and beat them, I still don't find that fair. You have to get your team up for 1 week the whole season while teams like OSU, Texas, Florida, USC have to play a grueling conference schedule which is near impossible to survive unscathed. Seriously as long as those teams play mostly garbage teams no one will respect them.jordo212000 wrote: The mid-majors have a hard time finding teams with the sack to play them. Trep already brought that point up. It is almost border line collusion.
Its not easy to join a conference. A lot of factors go in to joining a conference, namely location, size, and competitiveness in other sports. Boise and TCU aren't exactly known for anything else outside of football. -
jordo212000
I agree, they do need a tougher schedule, but again good luck finding a BCS team to play them. And c'mon please don't try and tell me the Big 10 is grueling conference schedule, the big 10 is mostly garbage. The conference is bad. Ohio State has won it 5 yrs in a row. There's been years when they try to let somebody else win it and they refuse.Mooney44Cards wrote:
They should probably apply to join a better conference, or start their own then. Because even if they play one great team a year and beat them, I still don't find that fair. You have to get your team up for 1 week the whole season while teams like OSU, Texas, Florida, USC have to play a grueling conference schedule which is near impossible to survive unscathed. Seriously as long as those teams play mostly garbage teams no one will respect them. -
Yama Hama
You are making assumptions. I am providing facts. 29.6 percent jump last year in the ratings for the BCS games.goosebumps wrote:
Ratings for the playoff games would be much higher than bowl games. The average viewer might not care about the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl if their teams arent in them. But if my favorite team plays the winner the following week or might play them in two weeks you better believe I'm watching.
Don't throw conjecture like "ratings would be much higher for playoff games" out there and use that as fact. You have no idea that a playoff would work. -
goosebumps
Yama Hama wrote:
You are making assumptions. I am providing facts. 29.6 percent jump last year in the ratings for the BCS games.goosebumps wrote:
Ratings for the playoff games would be much higher than bowl games. The average viewer might not care about the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl if their teams arent in them. But if my favorite team plays the winner the following week or might play them in two weeks you better believe I'm watching.
Don't throw conjecture like "ratings would be much higher for playoff games" out there and use that as fact. You have no idea that a playoff would work.
EVERY other sport has a playoff and it works, Why would football be any different? -
jordo212000
Just like you and the BCS have no clue whether Texas is better than TCU, Cincy, and Boise. Assumptions are funYama Hama wrote:
You are making assumptions. I am providing facts. 29.6 percent jump last year in the ratings for the BCS games.
Don't throw conjecture like "ratings would be much higher for playoff games" out there and use that as fact. You have no idea that a playoff would work. -
Yama Hama
They lost to Purdue. Even Notre Dame beat Purdue.jordo212000 wrote:
I agree, they do need a tougher schedule, but again good luck finding a BCS team to play them. And c'mon please don't try and tell me the Big 10 is grueling conference schedule, the big 10 is mostly garbage. The conference is bad. Ohio State has won it 5 yrs in a row. There's been years when they try to let somebody else win it and they refuse.
And if you want to start a thread about the BCS conferences black balling Boise, be my guest, but it has no bearing on the fact that a playoff wouldn't work and this isn't the thread for it.