Where do you rank Tressel

• isadore

  HitsRus;1103376 wrote:Me! Me!...I've posted this oft and ad nauseum. Tressel had to contend with an NCAA rulebook the size of the Bible, and Hayes did not. A lot of what made Woody great in terms of recruitment rules, would be illegal by NCAA standards of today. That said, you have to make Hayes #1 on length of service/number of wins alone.

  Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.
• centralbucksfan

  isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

  Woody actually got his hand slapped for giving cash to players. Which he said at the time he didn't care what anyone thought as some of them needed. Different times. Point being, EVERY coach has skeletons in their closet. Some have been caught, some have not.
• ytownfootball

  

  isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

  Well, this just isn't true you see. Woody was widely known to have helped players out monetarily as need arouse, couple hundred here, couple there, 400 over there. It's fairly well accepted, though times were different I agree, it's never been "legal" (hate using the term, because it's like going through a stop sign in a parking lot, who give a shit) to give players money for any reason.
  
  Please...educate yourself before writing checks you can't cash.
  
  http://markrea.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tressel-woody-now-have-something-else-in-common/
• isadore

  ytownfootball;1102993 wrote:Again, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. Nixon? Save politics for the political forum. Should you care to educate yourself on what it is you're grinding your axe against, feel free.
  
  http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/09/tbbc-rewind-compare-and-contrast-ncaa-allegations/

  Tressel’s tenure as coach at Youngstown State he was in league with Mickey Monos. The university was cited by the N.C.A.A. for lack of institutional control after Ray Isaac, who quarterbacked the 1991 team to a Division I-AA championship, was later found to have accepted $10,000 and access to cars provided by the former chairman of Youngstown State’s board of trustees.
  2005-6 Andy Geiger was on Tressel case for playing fast and loose with NCAA reporting. So when he lied subverted, lied and cheated it was nothing new to him.
  
• ytownfootball

  

  isadore;1103444 wrote:Tressel’s tenure as coach at Youngstown State he was in league with Mickey Monos. The university was cited by the N.C.A.A. for lack of institutional control after Ray Isaac, who quarterbacked the 1991 team to a Division I-AA championship, was later found to have accepted $10,000 and access to cars provided by the former chairman of Youngstown State’s board of trustees.
  2005-6 Andy Geiger was on Tressel case for playing fast and loose with NCAA reporting. So when he lied subverted, lied and cheated it was nothing new to him.
  

  
  Wikipedia is great huh...how again did that tarnish his tenure at Ohio State?
• isadore

  ytownfootball;1103447 wrote:Wikipedia is great huh...how again did that tarnish his tenure at Ohio State?

  No what this show is that the cover up what not an abberation. He had cheated at YSU, he had been called on the carpet by Andy Geiger for failure to report. He had a long continuing career as a cheating sleaze.
• isadore

  ytownfootball;1103441 wrote:Well, this just isn't true you see. Woody was widely known to have helped players out monetarily as need arouse, couple hundred here, couple there, 400 over there. It's fairly well accepted, though times were different I agree, it's never been "legal" (hate using the term, because it's like going through a stop sign in a parking lot, who give a ****) to give players money for any reason.
  
  Please...educate yourself before writing checks you can't cash.
  
  http://markrea.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tressel-woody-now-have-something-else-in-common/

  
  Tressel put himself beyond anything done in the previous regime. The face of OSU to the world showed himself a cheat and a perjuror. “Jim Tressel failed to deport himself with honesty and integrity when he failed to report information concerning violations of NCAA legislation. Additionally, he withheld information for 9 months regarding violations of Allegation 1 and falsely attested that he reported all NCAA violations when he signed the certification of compliance.”
• FairwoodKing

  Yes, I think he's pretty rank.
• Devils Advocate

  

  FairwoodKing;1103671 wrote:Yes, I think he's pretty rank.

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  Nobody asked you if you would fuck him... Where would you rank him ( if you had to )
• said_aouita

  

  JT ain't Woody but better then Coop'.
  
  [Thank you Mr. Obvious.]
• Tiernan

  You come into life with only one characteristic intact and that is your integrity, whether you maintain it is up to you. Tressel proved to be a dishonest hypocrite. Making judgement errors which we've all done is different than purposefully lying to protect yourself. Woody made a huge error and can be forgiven, will take alot longer for Tressel to be given the same consideration IMO.
• vball10set

  Tressel will not only be forgiven, but will be revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years--max.
• Tiernan

  vball10set;1104346 wrote:Tressel will not only be forgiven, but will be revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years--max.

  ...maybe by those who also lack integrity (which unfortunately seem to multiply like rabbits in this country )
• ytownfootball

  

  Tiernan;1104385 wrote:...maybe by those who also lack integrity (which unfortunately seem to multiply like rabbits in this country )

  I may just be guessing, but I think it's more likely what vball says will be true, not for those that lack integrity but as it becomes more clear that Tressel fell on the sword. I have a hard time believing Gene Smith was as innocent as he claims to be here. Just my opinion.
• Footwedge

  Tiernan;1104327 wrote:You come into life with only one characteristic intact and that is your integrity, whether you maintain it is up to you. Tressel proved to be a dishonest hypocrite. Making judgement errors which we've all done is different than purposefully lying to protect yourself. Woody made a huge error and can be forgiven, will take alot longer for Tressel to be given the same consideration IMO.

  This. Tressel knew that he had deliberately lied and covered up for 9 months, culminating with the blind eye approach against Arkansas.
  
  He had an opportunity to take the high road, but he chose to be a scumbag.
  
  In my view, all the good he brought to the field was thrown away. Good riddance.
• dwccrew

  

  ytownfootball;1104389 wrote:I may just be guessing, but I think it's more likely what vball says will be true, not for those that lack integrity but as it becomes more clear that Tressel fell on the sword. I have a hard time believing Gene Smith was as innocent as he claims to be here. Just my opinion.

  Whether you are right about Tressel falling on the sword may be determined in the future, but as it stands, there really is no evidence linking Smith to knowing about this situation. If there was, he'd be gone as well.
  
  I think people have their blinders on and want to believe that Tressel "fell on the sword"; he was that good at making people belive he had a moral compass. But in the end he was not much different than most D1 coaches.
• vball10set

  Tiernan;1104385 wrote:...maybe by those who also lack integrity (which unfortunately seem to multiply like rabbits in this country )

  lol @ you attacking my integrity...priceless :rolleyes:
• ytownfootball

  

  dwccrew;1104521 wrote:Whether you are right about Tressel falling on the sword may be determined in the future, but as it stands, there really is no evidence linking Smith to knowing about this situation. If there was, he'd be gone as well.
  
  I think people have their blinders on and want to believe that Tressel "fell on the sword"; he was that good at making people belive he had a moral compass. But in the end he was not much different than most D1 coaches.

  Eh, the point is that most people seem to pay little or no attention to is IF Gene Smith knew anything, and did nothing, that would pretty much LOIC, which of course would be much more severe in the penalty department. I don't and haven't trusted Gene Smith. For me it's really easy to draw that distinction. I don't have issue with people just looking at it from a purely black and white, "as reported" standpoint, I just feel Ohio State is better at playing the game than most, in this case, playing the game meant Tressel falling on the sword to lessen the severity of the sanctions. Just my opinion of course.
• BAMABUCK

  Number 2 in front of #3 Bruce.Woody #1. Cooper almost made me.....commit crimes. I know Bruce is no comparison on paper but he is IMO a players coach and old school plus I like his hat. Glad to see Urban in Big 10. Maybe end the SEC dominance? Roll Tide.
• Thinthickbigred

  isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

  Hays was definitly by the book . He was a great man and teacher as well as a coach . One of the all time best.
• Thinthickbigred

  BAMABUCK;1105325 wrote:Number 2 in front of #3 Bruce.Woody #1. Cooper almost made me.....commit crimes. I know Bruce is no comparison on paper but he is IMO a players coach and old school plus I like his hat. Glad to see Urban in Big 10. Maybe end the SEC dominance? Roll Tide.

  Cooper definitly caused my liver to age .
• dwccrew

  

  ytownfootball;1105013 wrote:Eh, the point is that most people seem to pay little or no attention to is IF Gene Smith knew anything, and did nothing, that would pretty much LOIC, which of course would be much more severe in the penalty department. I don't and haven't trusted Gene Smith. For me it's really easy to draw that distinction. I don't have issue with people just looking at it from a purely black and white, "as reported" standpoint, I just feel Ohio State is better at playing the game than most, in this case, playing the game meant Tressel falling on the sword to lessen the severity of the sanctions. Just my opinion of course.

  That's cool, you are entitled to your opinion, I just happen to disagree. No big deal.
• LJ

  

  vball10set;1104346 wrote:Tressel will not only be forgiven, but will be revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years--max.

  I think the animosity towards him will be dwindled down to almost nothing in the next few years, but I don't think he will be "revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years" unless Meyer is a failure. I personally don't think that happens till guys my age (mid-late 20's) get older and start "reminiscing" about the old days.
• said_aouita

  

  Thinthickbigred;1105415 wrote:Cooper definitly caused my liver to age .

  My worse hang overs were caused by mixing Cooper coached games and draft beer from Papa Joe's.
• ytownfootball

  

  said_aouita;1105445 wrote:My worse hang overs were caused by mixing Cooper coached games and draft beer from Papa Joe's.

  Fire was the only remedy for the stink that emanated from Papa Joe's.