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Where do you rank Tressel

  • lhslep134
    isadore;1102684 wrote: USC under Pete Carroll and Tressel's Buckeyes.

    Ah yes the completely absurd USC and OSU comparison.


    What's the old saying? It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt?
  • 0311sdp
    1) Woody Hayes
    2) Jim Tressel They have to be 1 & 2 and in either order. I gave the edge to Woody because he was there for so many more years, like Tressel, Woody had a good record 16-11-1 against Michigan (Tressel 9-1) even Earl was 5-4, only Cooper (2-10-1) had a losing record against Michigan. I hope in 10 years or so that I can say Urban Meyer was the greatest OSU coach of all time. In comparing how each left the progam, Woody left and will always be a beloved and larger than life figure. I was fortunate enough to see him coach about half his career. JT was never the almost God-like figure that Woody was and his trangressions have not been forgiven by a lot of Buckeye fans whereas most never had the hatred for Woody that a lot of fans seem to have for Tressel (I'm not one of those fans)
  • isadore
    lhslep134;1102722 wrote:Ah yes the completely absurd USC and OSU comparison.


    What's the old saying? It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt?
    corruption, lying to the NCAA, cheating, absence of ethics and honesty. I hope I didn't insult USC by the comparison.
  • lhslep134
    isadore;1102791 wrote:corruption, lying to the NCAA, cheating, absence of ethics and honesty. I hope I didn't insult USC by the comparison.

    The OSU situation PALES in comparison to what happened at USC.

    If you think they're even close, then you are living up to the old adage about fools.
  • isadore
    lhslep134;1102814 wrote:The OSU situation PALES in comparison to what happened at USC.

    If you think they're even close, then you are living up to the old adage about fools.
    from an apologist unwilling to admit the stain put on the reputation of OSU by Tressel with his long term lying and cheating.
  • ytownfootball
    isadore;1102879 wrote:from an apologist unwilling to admit the stain put on the reputation of OSU by Tressel with his long term lying and cheating.
    You should try sticking to whatever it is you know best, I don't know what the hell that is but it sure as shit isn't this situation.
  • vball10set
    ytownfootball;1102946 wrote:You should try sticking to whatever it is you know best, I don't know what the hell that is but it sure as **** isn't this situation.
    reps
  • isadore
    ytownfootball;1102946 wrote:You should try sticking to whatever it is you know best, I don't know what the hell that is but it sure as **** isn't this situation.
    This is what I know about Coach Tressel. jim tressel is OSUs Richard Nixon, many successes but a person of severely flawed character who brought the institution he supposedly served into disrepute.
  • Automatik
    isadore;1102967 wrote:This is what I know about Coach Tressel. jim tressel is OSUs Richard Nixon, many successes but a person of severely flawed character who brought the institution he supposedly served into disrepute.
    Do you even know what happened at USC? I'm going with 'no'.
  • isadore
    Automatik;1102971 wrote:Do you even know what happened at USC? I'm going with 'no'.
    Yes I do and I know a coach who conducted a coverup a crime in order to win a few football games. OSUs Nixon brought humiliation on himself and his employer.
  • Jawbreaker
    isadore;1102974 wrote:Yes I do and I know a coach who conducted a coverup a crime in order to win a few football games. OSUs Nixon brought humiliation on himself and his employer.
    Crime?
  • Thinthickbigred
    SportsAndLady;1101863 wrote:On your all-time Buckeye coaches list?

    Just curious to see answers on this.
    easy 2nd only to Woody
  • ytownfootball
    isadore;1102974 wrote:Yes I do and I know a coach who conducted a coverup a crime in order to win a few football games. OSUs Nixon brought humiliation on himself and his employer.
    Again, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. Nixon? Save politics for the political forum. Should you care to educate yourself on what it is you're grinding your axe against, feel free.

    http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/09/tbbc-rewind-compare-and-contrast-ncaa-allegations/
  • Thinthickbigred
    Fab1b;1101870 wrote:IMO when the dust clears #1. Woody at 2.
    R U serious? luv Tres but he didnt finish and Woody has how many national titles?
  • Thinthickbigred
    LJ;1101916 wrote:1.Woody
    2.Tress
    3.Paul Brown
    4.Earle Bruce
    5.John Cooper
    Brown only coached 2 years sure he got a title with a one loss team but Bruce is ahead of him
  • lhslep134
    isadore;1102879 wrote:from an apologist unwilling to admit the stain put on the reputation of OSU by Tressel with his long term lying and cheating.
    The words you typed are incredibly stupid and ignorant.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    Automatik;1102375 wrote:Regarding your last paragraph, I have mixed emotions with JT and what actually went on.

    I still believe there is more to the story than we will ever know and I to this day I still believe he "fell on the sword. Of course this only my opinion, but I find it hard to believe that he kept all that to himself.
    Yeah...fell on the sword? No way. The program was dirty under Tressel, just accept that already.
  • vball10set
    lol...smh
  • dwccrew
    SportsAndLady;1102658 wrote:Lol if you're going to "hate" on Tressel, you certainly can not downplay what happened with Woody. "He just stayed too long and lost his temper" is one of the funniest things I've read on here, especially after you then go on to call Tressel a lier, cheater, and someone who corrupted a program he loved probably more than any coach OSU has ever had.
    I can't believe you actually think any coach loved Ohio State more than Woody. Woody IS Ohio State. I don't doubt Tressel's love for the school and program, but Woody is the measuring stick for all Ohio State coaches.

    And I have to say it again, what Woody did was not detrimental to the program. The year after Woody was fired, OSU had a VERY successful season. Ohio State will struggle a couple of seasons because of Tressel's indiscretions. The two aren't comparable IMO.

    I think you are probably too young to understand the icon that is Woody Hayes.
    lhslep134;1102814 wrote:The OSU situation PALES in comparison to what happened at USC.

    If you think they're even close, then you are living up to the old adage about fools.
    I agree that it does pale in comparison to Miami or USC, but it was still a huge scandal that received a lot of attention and people will remember that and will always associate Tressel to it.
  • lhslep134
    dwccrew;1103303 wrote:
    I agree that it does pale in comparison to Miami or USC, but it was still a huge scandal that received a lot of attention and people will remember that and will always associate Tressel to it.
    Huge by media coverage, not as huge in reality IMO. Look, Tressel lied to the NCAA but it was something that was the subject of an ongoing federal investigation, which distinguishes it, and he banned from OSU facilities that @sshole booster that went behind Tressel's back and subjected us to stiffer than expected penalties. Do not interpret this as saying Tressel is any less guilty, because I believe he deserves to lose his job for lying to the NCAA, but even you have to admit it was a bit of an overzealous power play by the NCAA for the bowl ban.
  • Automatik
    sjmvsfscs08;1103196 wrote:Yeah...fell on the sword? No way. The program was dirty under Tressel, just accept that already.
    Do you even know what I'm referring to? I'm not denying any shady doings by Tressel, but I was implying that there was more to the story.
  • SportsAndLady
    dwccrew;1103303 wrote:I can't believe you actually think any coach loved Ohio State more than Woody. Woody IS Ohio State. I don't doubt Tressel's love for the school and program, but Woody is the measuring stick for all Ohio State coaches.

    And I have to say it again, what Woody did was not detrimental to the program. The year after Woody was fired, OSU had a VERY successful season. Ohio State will struggle a couple of seasons because of Tressel's indiscretions. The two aren't comparable IMO.

    I think you are probably too young to understand the icon that is Woody Hayes.
    No you're right, it was probably unfair of me to say Tressel loved OSU more than Woody.

    I think they both loved the hell out of the school, but perhaps Woody a bit more.
  • dwccrew
    lhslep134;1103309 wrote:Huge by media coverage, not as huge in reality IMO. Look, Tressel lied to the NCAA but it was something that was the subject of an ongoing federal investigation, which distinguishes it, and he banned from OSU facilities that @sshole booster that went behind Tressel's back and subjected us to stiffer than expected penalties. Do not interpret this as saying Tressel is any less guilty, because I believe he deserves to lose his job for lying to the NCAA, but even you have to admit it was a bit of an overzealous power play by the NCAA for the bowl ban.
    I'm not sure what you are looking for from me, I already agreed with everything you said. However, we are Ohio State fans that see it for what it is. Many people hate Ohio State and they will always view the scandal as a big deal, bigger than it really should have been (thanks to the media).
  • HitsRus
    In a few years people will laugh at the stupidly of the NCAA.
    Me! Me!...I've posted this oft and ad nauseum. Tressel had to contend with an NCAA rulebook the size of the Bible, and Hayes did not. A lot of what made Woody great in terms of recruitment rules, would be illegal by NCAA standards of today. That said, you have to make Hayes #1 on length of service/number of wins alone.
  • dwccrew
    Let's not forget that Woody had some HOF coaches learn from him (Lou Holtz and Bo). In time we will see how some of Tressel's "understudy" coaches do. Dantonio is doing pretty well at MSU and Beckman did well at Toledo and has now moved to Illinois. Fickell will get his time some day. Bollman and Heacock........yeesh.