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Ohio State at Minnesota 2/14...

  • centralbucksfan
    Y-Town Steelhound;1086470 wrote:Apparently LaQuinton Ross is not very happy to say the least about his playing time and took his frustrations out on Twitter after the game (since been deleted). Can't say I blame him given OSU's lack of a consistent 3 point threat.
    There is A LOT more to the game of basketball than just sitting outside and shooting 3's. The few times Ross has seen the floor, I have seen very little effort from him. He jogs up and down the court. The shots he made, were against other team bench or bad teams. I think the guy will eventually be very good. But he isn't ready to play yet based on what I have seen.
  • centralbucksfan
    vball10set;1086491 wrote:Yes, sloppy. Any win on the road in the B1G is a good win, and Minny is usually a solid team--but not last night. Too many peaks and valleys by the Buckeyes last night IMO, at least for a team that has the potential to go deep into the tourney. As I stated in my post, Craft & Sully played good, and Buford did indeed hit some shots--I guess I'm just looking for more consistency--maybe my expectations are too high?
    There were a few possession when they were sloppy. But had only 9 totalt turnovers. Buford not only hit shots, he had 8 rebounds and 5 asst as well. And he hit 3 or 4 shots that stopped a run by Minny. Its the nature of the game when you have a large lead, to let up a little bit. It happens. Teams are going to make runs. Hell, UNLV lost an 18pt lead and the game last nite.
    It wasn't a great game by OSU. But again, coming off the MSU game, with 2 days to prepare, I thought they did pretty well overall. I wasn't expecting a 10pt in last nite. I thought it would be a struggle and was worried after the MSU game.
  • Tiernan
    OSU is not looking like a no. 1 seed right now. KY, SYR, KS, MZ I'm afraid would nudge them out right now.
  • centralbucksfan
    Tiernan;1086503 wrote:OSU is not looking like a no. 1 seed right now. KY, SYR, KS, MZ I'm afraid would nudge them out right now.
    Agree. Which really isn't that big a deal. And maybe not having that #1 pressure might be good for this team. 1 or 2 seed really makes no difference in big picture.
  • vball10set
    centralbucksfan;1086505 wrote:Agree. Which really isn't that big a deal. And maybe not having that #1 pressure might be good for this team. 1 or 2 seed really makes no difference in big picture.
    my thoughts exactly...btw, I don't have a good feeling about Saturday against tsun (at all), but that sometimes translates into a big win by OSU--so maybe that's a good thing :thumbup:
  • centralbucksfan
    vball10set;1086506 wrote:my thoughts exactly...btw, I don't have a good feeling about Saturday against tsun (at all), but that sometimes translates into a big win by OSU--so maybe that's a good thing :thumbup:
    I didn't have a good feeling going into last nite. But I am confident about Sat. It won't be easy. But I think OSU is a tough matchup for UM. Teams with no inside presence struggle with OSU because they can defend the perimeter with their length. UM has no inside game, depends on outside shooting, isn't aggressive going to basket, which doesn't translate to FT's. I like this matchup for OSU. And, Matta has owned UM as well. ;)
  • FatHobbit
    Tiernan;1086503 wrote:OSU is not looking like a no. 1 seed right now.
    I agree with that as well. This team is not as good as last years team.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    FatHobbit;1086511 wrote:I agree with that as well. This team is not as good as last years team.
    That much is obvious, though I do think that they are slightly better defensively as a whole. I do think that this team is capable of competing with and beating any team in the country on a given night. Can they do it consistently enough come March? I'm not sure, but a lot will have to do with where they are in the bracket.
  • Tiernan
    That no. 1 seed spot comes in handy in a 6 game tournament because you play the 8 v 9 winner and then then the 5 or the 4 usually. The 2 spot has the 7 v 10 and most likely the 3 team after that. Many more no. 1s make it to the Final Four over the years than no. 2s and its usually due to placement rather than superior talent. 1, 2 & 3 seeds are extremely close in talent making up the first 12 teams in the bracket. If you can avoid having to play a 2 or 3 before you get there your chances greatly increase.
  • se-alum
    centralbucksfan;1086495 wrote:There is A LOT more to the game of basketball than just sitting outside and shooting 3's. The few times Ross has seen the floor, I have seen very little effort from him. He jogs up and down the court. The shots he made, were against other team bench or bad teams. I think the guy will eventually be very good. But he isn't ready to play yet based on what I have seen.
    Guys getting in the game at the final minute of a 20pt blowout, never give max effort.
  • se-alum
    vball10set;1086491 wrote:Yes, sloppy. Any win on the road in the B1G is a good win, and Minny is usually a solid team--but not last night. Too many peaks and valleys by the Buckeyes last night IMO, at least for a team that has the potential to go deep into the tourney. As I stated in my post, Craft & Sully played good, and Buford did indeed hit some shots--I guess I'm just looking for more consistency--maybe my expectations are too high?
    Consistency is absolutely the key. I think we have high expectations because we know what this team is capable of. They basically dismantled Duke, and Florida didn't threaten outside of the first 10 min of the game. Buford is what he is, and hasn't been consistent at any point in his career, so I expect the ups and downs from him. Thomas has shown the same ability to be inconsistent that Buford has. Those 2 guys will be the key to how far this team goes in March.
  • Heretic
    se-alum;1086795 wrote:Consistency is absolutely the key. I think we have high expectations because we know what this team is capable of. They basically dismantled Duke, and Florida didn't threaten outside of the first 10 min of the game. Buford is what he is, and hasn't been consistent at any point in his career, so I expect the ups and downs from him. Thomas has shown the same ability to be inconsistent that Buford has. Those 2 guys will be the key to how far this team goes in March.
    Yeah. Those two have stereo 2-12 nights during a tournament game and, well, a lot more teams besides Mich State will beat them.
  • centralbucksfan
    Good comments from Seth Davis. Along with some stats about bench minutes. Some facts.

    http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/15/Hoops.mailbag/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a1
  • centralbucksfan
    se-alum;1086791 wrote:Guys getting in the game at the final minute of a 20pt blowout, never give max effort.
    lol really? You believe that? Games I see from HS on up, those guys typically come in to try and prove a point. Effort is usually not an issue.
  • centralbucksfan
    Heretic;1086799 wrote:Yeah. Those two have stereo 2-12 nights during a tournament game and, well, a lot more teams besides Mich State will beat them.
    Hmm, I'd say about any team, when 2 of their top 3 players shooot that poorly, they have a good chance of going down. Not just OSU.
  • centralbucksfan
    se-alum;1086795 wrote:Consistency is absolutely the key. I think we have high expectations because we know what this team is capable of. They basically dismantled Duke, and Florida didn't threaten outside of the first 10 min of the game. Buford is what he is, and hasn't been consistent at any point in his career, so I expect the ups and downs from him. Thomas has shown the same ability to be inconsistent that Buford has. Those 2 guys will be the key to how far this team goes in March.
    No question. During the season, we have rarely seen Thomas AND Buford both have off nites. OSU can "survive" when two of the three are consistant. They go to a completely other level when all 3 are on their game. When only 1 of 3 is on, we get MSU result. ;)
  • FatHobbit
    centralbucksfan;1086808 wrote:No question. During the season, we have rarely seen Thomas AND Buford both have off nites. OSU can "survive" when two of the three are consistant. They go to a completely other level when all 3 are on their game. When only 1 of 3 is on, we get MSU result. ;)
    I can buy that. It does seem to me though that the possibility of 1 of 3 being on is going to bite us in the ass come tournament time.
  • FatHobbit
    centralbucksfan;1086802 wrote:Good comments from Seth Davis. Along with some stats about bench minutes. Some facts.

    http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/15/Hoops.mailbag/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a1
    from the article
    Apparently, Matta showed his players video of the loss to Michigan State and pointed out their facial expressions and body language. Said Sullinger, "Honestly, we looked like spoiled brats out there if you look at the tape -- arguing with one another, complaining about calls." Maybe they learned a valuable lesson.
    Hopefully that helps
  • se-alum
    centralbucksfan;1086804 wrote:lol really? You believe that? Games I see from HS on up, those guys typically come in to try and prove a point. Effort is usually not an issue.
    They usually come in to try to get up a shot. You can't find out a players worth in the final minutes of a blowout. Effort in practice is more indicative of a players value than blowout game situations.
  • centralbucksfan
    se-alum;1086831 wrote:They usually come in to try to get up a shot. You can't find out a players worth in the final minutes of a blowout. Effort in practice is more indicative of a players value than blowout game situations.
    I don't disagree with that. Although it all depends on how late they get into the game. The comment on practice is on the money. But Ross missed so much time, entire preseason into the first handful of games. I said back then he wouldn't see the floor. There is more to the game than just being able to shoot. Which we all know he can do. I realize Matta isn't one to trust his bench. But again, he isn't the only coach in the country and there is usually pretty good reasons for that. Game time is earned in practice. Offense usually isn't the issue with young players. Its what goes on on the other end of the floor where they don't get it as quickly or consistantly.
  • se-alum
    centralbucksfan;1086860 wrote:I don't disagree with that. Although it all depends on how late they get into the game. The comment on practice is on the money. But Ross missed so much time, entire preseason into the first handful of games. I said back then he wouldn't see the floor. There is more to the game than just being able to shoot. Which we all know he can do. I realize Matta isn't one to trust his bench. But again, he isn't the only coach in the country and there is usually pretty good reasons for that. Game time is earned in practice. Offense usually isn't the issue with young players. Its what goes on on the other end of the floor where they don't get it as quickly or consistantly.
    I just think on a team that lacks scoring off the bench, you gotta give a scorer the opportunity to play, even if you are giving up something defensively. How many great scorers were great defensively early in their careers? Practice is great, but nothing takes the place of real game action, and I think you have to at least give a guy a chance to play meaningful minutes, especially if he's as talented offensively as Ross.
  • centralbucksfan
    se-alum;1086869 wrote:I just think on a team that lacks scoring off the bench, you gotta give a scorer the opportunity to play, even if you are giving up something defensively. How many great scorers were great defensively early in their careers? Practice is great, but nothing takes the place of real game action, and I think you have to at least give a guy a chance to play meaningful minutes, especially if he's as talented offensively as Ross.
    How do you really know how great he is? And what good does it do to play him on offense, if he is going to be a major liability on the defensive side? Scores a few, but gives up more? IDK. You gotta play defense at this level, at least some. And again, with the time he missed..I said from beginning he wouldnt' see floor. Who knows what goes on at practice. There are 3/4 guys coaching who know more than me, you and everyone combined. I'll trust their judgement based on past success. It is what it is as this point in season. And unlikely to change this late.
  • se-alum
    centralbucksfan;1086873 wrote:How do you really know how great he is? And what good does it do to play him on offense, if he is going to be a major liability on the defensive side? Scores a few, but gives up more? IDK. You gotta play defense at this level, at least some. And again, with the time he missed..I said from beginning he wouldnt' see floor. Who knows what goes on at practice. There are 3/4 guys coaching who know more than me, you and everyone combined. I'll trust their judgement based on past success. It is what it is as this point in season. And unlikely to change this late.
    Oh, I know it won't change. I wasn't referring to Ross when I said "great", just making a point that not many kids who were known as scorers coming out of HS are good on the defensive end. Like Dakich stated yesterday, scorers stay on the court, even if they aren't good defensively. Look at a guy like Kendall Marshall, he's terrible defensively, but he plays because he can pass the ball and run an offense. I'm not saying we need to give the kid 25 minutes a game, but no coach, no matter how great they are, know exactly what they have until a guy plays meaningful minutes.
  • centralbucksfan
    se-alum;1086886 wrote:Oh, I know it won't change. I wasn't referring to Ross when I said "great", just making a point that not many kids who were known as scorers coming out of HS are good on the defensive end. Like Dakich stated yesterday, scorers stay on the court, even if they aren't good defensively. Look at a guy like Kendall Marshall, he's terrible defensively, but he plays because he can pass the ball and run an offense. I'm not saying we need to give the kid 25 minutes a game, but no coach, no matter how great they are, know exactly what they have until a guy plays meaningful minutes.
    I think there was some tongue and check in what Dakich said. He was with Knight for years. If you didn't play defense for them, you didn't play. Not sure Marshal is a great example as UNC has no backup PG to put any pressure on him.
  • se-alum
    centralbucksfan;1086890 wrote:I think there was some tongue and check in what Dakich said. He was with Knight for years. If you didn't play defense for them, you didn't play. Not sure Marshal is a great example as UNC has no backup PG to put any pressure on him.
    I don't think it's something Dakich personally believes in, but it's definitely true.