Conference realignment talk

• Little Danny

  

  SportsAndLady;1081798 wrote:LOL so apparently it went like this:
  
  WVU: We'll offer you $20 million to leave
  
  Big East: No way. We want $50 million.
  
  Time goes by...
  
  Time goes by...
  
  Time goes by...
  
  Deadline comes up.
  
  Settle for $20 million
  
  
  
  
  lol nice negotiating skills there Big East.

  I'm not sure if WVU ever offered $20M. As being reported, the B12 is paying $9M towards the settlement. I am guessing the B12 threw their money into the pot much later to end this once and for all.
  
  In a way, it works out of the Big East who seriously need to add an 8th team for 2012 to fullfil their tv contract and teams schedules.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I wouldn't be surprised to see Pitt leave, too. Even w/ the ACC schedule already released, you gotta think they'll make room.
  
  $20 million is nothing when you think of all the shit they'd be missing by playing in the ACC THIS year.
  
  Don't be surprised if that lawsuit is next..
• SportsAndLady

  

  Appalachian State to C-USA?
• Little Danny

  

  SportsAndLady;1082009 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see Pitt leave, too. Even w/ the ACC schedule already released, you gotta think they'll make room.
  
  $20 million is nothing when you think of all the **** they'd be missing by playing in the ACC THIS year.
  
  Don't be surprised if that lawsuit is next..

  Possibly. Biggest difference is the ACC does not need them. B12 needed WVU this year so they would not be in breach of the television contracts. That's why B12 pay $9M of the settlement to the Big East. My guess is Pitt and Syracuse join the ACC in 2013 (a year early) and leave for something in the neigborhood of $7-10M each.
• sportswizuhrd

  SEC adding 2 more teams and going to 4 Divisions of 4 to allow its conference a Final Four? UNC, Duke, or NC State and Virginia or Virginia Tech?
  

  Back in August OKTC was the first place to tell you that the SEC wasn't going to add additional teams from states where it already had teams. Remember when everyone was clamoring about Clemson and Florida State to the SEC -- in fact, remember when ESPN even reported this? -- and OKTC told you that was dead wrong?
  We were right.
  And we're right about this, the SEC's 15th and 16th teams will come from the states of North Carolina and Virginia.
  Why?
  It's all about the additional money those states bring to the SEC Network.
  North Carolina has 3.4 million cable and satellite homes. Virginia has 2.8 million cable and satellite homes.
  Combined that's 6.2 million additional cable sets for the SEC Network, or about $75 million in additional revenue at the $1 a month network cost.
  Expanding in to North Carolina and Virginia would put the SEC's cable and satellite footprint at nearly 37 million subscribers.
  At just $1 a month, that puts the SEC's annual revenue at $444 million.
  Double that to $2 -- as we've shown you that's not the least bit expensive given what other regional sports networks receive -- and we're talking about $888 million a year.
  And when the SEC Network hits $3 a month which it would do within a decade you'd be talking about $1.3 billion a year.
  That's $83 million a year per team just for TV money. (This money will have to be divided up with ESPN, but I think the SEC will get the vast majority).
  An amount that no other conference will be able to remotely approach. That kind of money would make just about any school think about leaving its conference.

  http://outkickthecoverage.com/secs-future-will-include-16-teams-four-divisions-of-four.php
• gorocks99

  

  CUSA, MWC merging: http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34822810
• ohiotiger33

  

  If VT goes to the SEC, look for Clemson and FSU to bolt for the Big 12. I am hearing a lot of rumors on my Clemson insider sites about this. We hired a committee to look into expansion and apparently FSU and Clemson want to stick together.
• Little Danny

  

  Someone make this game of muscial chair stop!
• SportsAndLady

  

  Little Danny;1085047 wrote:Someone make this game of muscial chair stop!

  I just want it to fuckin happen or not happen so the talk stops.
  
  Nothing worse than rumors every other week..just do it or dont do it lol
• bigkahuna

  gorocks99;1084958 wrote:CUSA, MWC merging: http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34822810

  From Hawaii to East Carolina literally Coast to Coast
• bigkahuna

  ohiotiger33;1084964 wrote:If VT goes to the SEC, look for Clemson and FSU to bolt for the Big 12. I am hearing a lot of rumors on my Clemson insider sites about this. We hired a committee to look into expansion and apparently FSU and Clemson want to stick together.

  I'm just curious, why does Clemson and Florida State want to stick together?
• karen lotz

  

  Big XII schedule announced today.
  
  
  
  http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205379627&DB_OEM_ID=10410
• SportsAndLady

  

  Lot of talk that Louisville to the Big 12 is next
• SportsAndLady

  

  SportsAndLady;1082009 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see Pitt leave, too. Even w/ the ACC schedule already released, you gotta think they'll make room.
  
  $20 million is nothing when you think of all the shit they'd be missing by playing in the ACC THIS year.
  
  Don't be surprised if that lawsuit is next..

  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-bigeast-pittandsyracuse
• Manhattan Buckeye

  bigkahuna;1085459 wrote:I'm just curious, why does Clemson and Florida State want to stick together?

  I don't understand that either, the only connection I know of is that Tommy Bowden coached at Clemson and was run out of town, like his Dad was at FSU. I don't think FSU wants to leave Miami and the ACC basketball and baseball scene to join a conference that is decidedly the least stable of the 5 remaining BCS conferences. Clemson makes even less sense, they are a charter member of the ACC and like FSU has absolutely no connection to any of the Big 12 schools, many of which field much fewer sports than the ACC offers. There isn't even soccer in the Big 12. Do people think Tiger fans will get excited about Iowa St. and Baylor coming into town? And will Tiger fans make to the typical conference opponent where it almost necessitates a flight when currently they can drive to most in conference games. I call BS on this one. Methinks someone took the Bowden connection and ran off with it.
• Little Danny

  

  bigkahuna;1085459 wrote:I'm just curious, why does Clemson and Florida State want to stick together?

  I don't think the two are necessarily a package deal, but my understanding is that as two schools who are more of a football culture, they perceive the rest of the league being more tilted to schools with basketball programs (particularly UNC and Duke). Another issue I have read about lately is the ACC is making peanuts in tv dollars as opposed to Florida (SEC) and South Carolina (SEC). This is even after you factor in the re-calculated amount when Pitt and Syracuse join. Clemson and FSU want to catch up to their in-state schools and there are reports of the B12 getting a mega-deal if and when they go back to a scenario where they have a championship game (12 or 14).
• ohiotiger33

  

  Little Danny;1087755 wrote:I don't think the two are necessarily a package deal, but my understanding is that as two schools who are more of a football culture, they perceive the rest of the league being more tilted to schools with basketball programs (particularly UNC and Duke). Another issue I have read about lately is the ACC is making peanuts in tv dollars as opposed to Florida (SEC) and South Carolina (SEC). This is even after you factor in the re-calculated amount when Pitt and Syracuse join. Clemson and FSU want to catch up to their in-state schools and there are reports of the B12 getting a mega-deal if and when they go back to a scenario where they have a championship game (12 or 14).

  
  In a nutshell. This.
  
  Yes, Clemson is a founding member of the ACC but has been at odds with it for many reasons over the years. One is the basketball culture and the fact that it is run by UNC grads and tobacco road.
  
  Two, when we got NCAA sanctions in the late 80s under Danny Ford, the ACC added a year to the probation, the only time a conference has EVER added more sanctions than the NCAA. This pissed Clemson off, and they haven't forgotten about it. In fact, the extra sanctions were spearheaded by John Swafford, who was at UNC as AD at the time and is now the Commissioner of the ACC.
  
  Three, The baseball tournament (Clemson LOVES its baseball) used to be held in Greenville, SC every other year alternating with NC cities. But Swafford came up with some bullshit excuse about the confederate flag and moved the game out of SC until they remove it from state property (like Clemson has any say over that issue). All this does is hurt a state that could use the extra dollars (the tourney always sold out in SC). Myrtle Beach needs the money badly (there was talk of having the tournament there every few years), but they won't move the tournament back to the state.
  
  The addition of Pitt and Syracuse also just solidify the league as being motivated by basketball rather than football. This is where FSU and Clemson see eye to eye. FSU and Clemson (as well as VT) are the only real football-crazy schools in the ACC. FSU and Clemson both have 80K plus stadiums and don't want the league to become basketball based. This is one of the main reasons they want to stick together. There has been a nice little rivalry between the two over the last 10-15 (5-5 in the last 10 I believe) and neither school wants it to end.
  
  TV money from the new SEC contracts are staggering, and staying in the ACC may hurt both schools when compared to in-state rivals (South Carolina and Florida). Since the SEC started raking in the dough, South Carolina has beaten Clemson three years in a row for the first time in almost 50 years. Clemson has historically dominated this rivalry (winning 3 straight over 10 times) and has has a 30 game lead in the series. If the Big 12 wants to restructure and get a massive TV deal reminiscent of the SEC deal, Clemson and FSU would be fools not to jump on board.
  
  I think if it were to happen, there would need to be a few more teams in the east for an east division. Maybe Clemson, FSU, Louisville (or cinci), WVU, VT and TCU in the division would be good as a start. These match ups would all be better than the current slate of opponents in the ACC and would help tickets and national TV exposure.
  
  A big argument against the move is that both schools are recruiting very well despite a weak ACC. Clemson and FSU have pulled in top 10-15 classes the last few years.
  
  I think this all comes down to money really.
• dtdtim

  ohiotiger33;1088132 wrote:In a nutshell. This.
  
  Yes, Clemson is a founding member of the ACC but has been at odds with it for many reasons over the years. One is the basketball culture and the fact that it is run by UNC grads and tobacco road.
  
  Two, when we got NCAA sanctions in the late 80s under Danny Ford, the ACC added a year to the probation, the only time a conference has EVER added more sanctions than the NCAA. This pissed Clemson off, and they haven't forgotten about it. In fact, the extra sanctions were spearheaded by John Swafford, who was at UNC as AD at the time and is now the Commissioner of the ACC.
  
  Three, The baseball tournament (Clemson LOVES its baseball) used to be held in Greenville, SC every other year alternating with NC cities. But Swafford came up with some bull**** excuse about the confederate flag and moved the game out of SC until they remove it from state property (like Clemson has any say over that issue). All this does is hurt a state that could use the extra dollars (the tourney always sold out in SC). Myrtle Beach needs the money badly (there was talk of having the tournament there every few years), but they won't move the tournament back to the state.
  
  The addition of Pitt and Syracuse also just solidify the league as being motivated by basketball rather than football. This is where FSU and Clemson see eye to eye. FSU and Clemson (as well as VT) are the only real football-crazy schools in the ACC. FSU and Clemson both have 80K plus stadiums and don't want the league to become basketball based. This is one of the main reasons they want to stick together. There has been a nice little rivalry between the two over the last 10-15 (5-5 in the last 10 I believe) and neither school wants it to end.
  
  TV money from the new SEC contracts are staggering, and staying in the ACC may hurt both schools when compared to in-state rivals (South Carolina and Florida). Since the SEC started raking in the dough, South Carolina has beaten Clemson three years in a row for the first time in almost 50 years. Clemson has historically dominated this rivalry (winning 3 straight over 10 times) and has has a 30 game lead in the series. If the Big 12 wants to restructure and get a massive TV deal reminiscent of the SEC deal, Clemson and FSU would be fools not to jump on board.
  
  I think if it were to happen, there would need to be a few more teams in the east for an east division. Maybe Clemson, FSU, Louisville (or cinci), WVU, VT and TCU in the division would be good as a start. These match ups would all be better than the current slate of opponents in the ACC and would help tickets and national TV exposure.
  
  A big argument against the move is that both schools are recruiting very well despite a weak ACC. Clemson and FSU have pulled in top 10-15 classes the last few years.
  
  I think this all comes down to money really.

  If this scenario were to come to fruition...thoughts/guesses to the possibility of the B1G poaching any ACC schools (particularly Maryland)?
• SportsAndLady

  

  Missouri is increasing tuition by 3% with move to SEC looming
• Little Danny

  

  Looks like Temple to the Big East is a done deal. There are reports it will be announced next week.
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/sports/ncaafootball/temple-in-talks-to-join-big-east-in-all-sports.html?_r=2&ref=sports
• SportsAndLady

  

  I believe they owe 2.5 mill to the MAC and 2 mill to the A-10
• ts1227

  

  SportsAndLady;1093061 wrote:I believe they owe 2.5 mill to the MAC and 2 mill to the A-10

  $2.5 M and 2 years notice for the MAC, so they may get more out of them for the early exit.
• ichsnjb

  

  It's official: Temple joining Big East starting 2012-2013 school year.
• goosebumps

  

  I'm happy with the move, this means UC will be going to Philly this fall instead of Morgantown.... WInning
• SportsAndLady

  

  You read that right, there's a rumor with a little more smoke than the other one mentioned that involves said four-letter TV network pushing on the Big Ten (or so) to add Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland, and georgia tech by the year 2016

  Got this off a Georgia Tech rumor site