Legacy of Joe Paterno
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Mulva
It's definitely arguable. The action he did take resulted in the man with oversight of the university police meeting with the GA who was an actual witness to a crime. That is an action that could (and should) have prevented additional victims. Also (see 1998), there's no way to guarantee that a police report "would" have resulted in an arrest/conviction and "would" have prevented additional victims. It could have and should have, but so should the course of action Paterno took.queencitybuckeye;964906 wrote:what is not seriously arguable is that he could have taken actions that would have prevented additional victims of the monster Sandusky, and he did not. That's his legacy.
It's easy to look back on it now and say he was wrong because his course of action didn't result in Sandusky being caught sooner, but that's the fault of the people who did nothing with the information they were given.
If what Paterno did was so terrible, then the law needs to be rewritten. Doing exactly what the law tells you to do in that situation shouldn't be considered the wrong course of action to take.
But his legacy will be determined by society, not by me, and it's clear that it will be severely tarnished. Some parts of it should be, but not the entirety of it and not to the lengths it may end up being in my opinion. And with that I think I've said all I have to say on the topic. Until more information breaks, at least. -
Jawbreaker
I am sure Sandusky would be all for that but not in the same way you are talking about.gorocks99;965065 wrote:lol, yes, lets abuse the players -
Tiernan
Only because Pedi State University elders are not taking the consequences of what has transpired serious enough. Maybe if they see the magnitude of how folks outside the confines of Happy Valley are disgusted with the way this is being handled and part of that is how their athletes will be treated on the road. Unjust and Uncalled For? Yeah probably...but that is the reality of what is going to happen.gorocks99;965065 wrote:lol, yes, lets abuse the players -
justincredible
queencitybuckeye;964906 wrote:That he (probably) didn't violate the law is all well and good, but what is not seriously arguable is that he could have taken actions that would have prevented additional victims of the monster Sandusky, and he did not. That's his legacy.
Absolutely.dlazz;965037 wrote:This. His legacy is tarnished. -
Tiger2003
Fab1b;964697 wrote:I didn't allow child rape anywhere around me sorry!! Stop putting this man on a pedestal because he won 400+ games. He had a chance to stop further harm to kids and didn't do it dammit. Look up until Sat I loved JoPa, great for college football and young men, however that is now fully reversed in light of this scandal!
This times 1 million. -
reclegend22
He's the greatest football coach ever, whose legendary and peerless career spanning over six decades will, because of a terribly dealt hand, forever be marred by a pitch black mark. It's saddening, because Paterno is the last man on the face of the sporting world who deserved to go down this way. He was a victim of his own virtues, of loyalty and belief in the good of people. People whom, I believe, Paterno had trusted, albeit perhaps blindly and misguidedly due to his advanced age, had done the right thing. That they had taken care of the matter, presented it to the proper authorities that needed told, and then came back to him with the all-is-clear. I really don't believe Paterno ever thought anything was wrong, and I never will believe that. A half century of good work can't be erased that incautiously.
Paterno didn't spontaneously begin a devil-may-care lifestyle after 75 years and then knowingly make the decision that, You know what, Jerry and I are best buddies, and if he is into rape then I will allow him to continue his hobby in my shower. Although, I really would prefer it if he were only raping adults. From my view of the world, that's just not based in reality. There is no conceivable reason for Joe Paterno to cover-up a rape, and the rape of children at that. He had absolutely zero to gain by it. Nothing. If you truly believe that Joe Paterno had known all along that Sandusky was, in fact, utilizing the Penn State locker room as his rape lair and then conspired with Penn State administration to cover it all up, you're living on a different planet. This isn't the Cosa Nostra and Tony The Nose. This is Penn State football and Joe Paterno. He was not told the truth. He was betrayed, and now he is taking the fall for it.
In my book, he will always be JoePa, a man personified by greatness. -
Manhattan BuckeyeWe know what is in the grand jury report - that is damning enough.
What we haven't heard yet is the detail surrounding Sandusky's sudden departure. The guy was only 55, and at the time was THE most recognized coordinator in all of college football at a program at the top of the world, more known than Jimbo Fisher or Bud Foster. And he just happens to suddenly resign - not coach anymore?
Doesn't make sense. What did Paterno know back in 1998/1999? -
Skyhook79
Manhattan Buckeye;965539 wrote:We know what is in the grand jury report - that is damning enough.
What we haven't heard yet is the detail surrounding Sandusky's sudden departure. The guy was only 55, and at the time was THE most recognized coordinator in all of college football at a program at the top of the world, more known than Jimbo Fisher or Bud Foster. And he just happens to suddenly resign - not coach anymore?
Doesn't make sense. What did Paterno know back in 1998/1999?
So due process means nothing to you as a lawyer? They should just skip the trial and go by whats in the GJ testimony? No cross examination of the witnesses? No time for the excused to present their defense? -
Manhattan Buckeye
As an attorney I know that Curley/Schultz didn't need to testify, yet they did. The grand jury found them non-credible. That could be poor counseling on their attorneys' part, or more likely a half-baked attempt to save nearly 10 years of a cover up.Skyhook79;965597 wrote:So due process means nothing to you as a lawyer? They should just skip the trial and go by whats in the GJ testimony? No cross examination of the witnesses? No time for the excused to present their defense? -
krambman
The Penn State Board of Trustees is holding a press conference at 10pm tonight and it is being reported now that they will announce the resignation of president Spainer and will also announce that Joe Paterno will not coach again. -
karen lotz
ESPN going to air it? -
Manhattan Buckeye
Spanier should have been gone 4 days ago.....it isn't a surprise that people with such poor judgment would underestimate the public outrage over this. He needs to lose any type of pension, but that won't happen.krambman;965625 wrote:The Penn State Board of Trustees is holding a press conference at 10pm tonight and it is being reported now that they will announce the resignation of president Spainer and will also announce that Joe Paterno will not coach again. -
killer_ewok
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karen lotz
ESPNews for anyone interested
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krambman
For those that don't get ESPNews, I assume that BTN will be carrying it live as well.
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Skyhook79
Manhattan Buckeye;965539 wrote:We know what is in the grand jury report - that is damning enough.
What we haven't heard yet is the detail surrounding Sandusky's sudden departure. The guy was only 55, and at the time was THE most recognized coordinator in all of college football at a program at the top of the world, more known than Jimbo Fisher or Bud Foster. And he just happens to suddenly resign - not coach anymore
Since you put so much into the Grand Jury report explain to me why Jerry Lauro,Detective Schreffler, who Sandusky admitted to that he naked in the shower with the boy and probaly touched genitals with, didn't do anything in 1998? Why no anger directed at them?
Also what about the ADULT janitor who witnessed the oral sex of Sandusky with a boy and told another employee about it and they told no one in 2000? Both incidents occurred before 2002 when Paterno was first told of such things.
Paterno is the easy scapegoat for everyone for this and he probaly did more than anyone else involved. -
Manhattan Buckeye"Paterno is the easy scapegoat for everyone for this and he probaly did more than anyone else involved. "
Doing 1% is better than 0%, and still fails.
JoePa is done. He's fired. Is everyone else stupid but you? -
Manhattan Buckeye"Both incidents occurred before 2002 when Paterno was first told of such things."
Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the '98 charge? Why did Sandusky resign so suddenly? -
Skyhook79
GJ testimony said Paterno told Sandusky he was going to make coaching changes so Sandusky RETIRED not resigned and to take advantage of an enhanced retirement plan he would qualify for.Manhattan Buckeye;965720 wrote:"Both incidents occurred before 2002 when Paterno was first told of such things."
Do you honestly think Paterno didn't know about the '98 charge? Why did Sandusky resign so suddenly?
When are you going to address the Janitors and the investigator and Detectives actions? -
Manhattan Buckeye
Action or inaction? Certainly the janitor could have done more, but comparing the culpability of a guy making $10/hour to that of the figurehead of the program?Skyhook79;965734 wrote:GJ testimony said Paterno told Sandusky he was going to make coaching changes so Sandusky RETIRED not resigned and to take advantage of an enhanced retirement plan he would qualify for.
When are you going to address the Janitors and the investigator and Detectives actions?
Do you have a point? If so I'm not getting it. Do you think Paterno shouldn't be fired? -
Skyhook79
Could have done more? Could have? He witnessed it. Sandusky giving oral to a 12 yr old boy. If he goes to the cops Sandusky is in jail in 2000 yet all you say is He could have done more. How come you want everyone to read GJ testimony and when someone points out things in the GJ testimony you ignore it or discount it or excuse it?Manhattan Buckeye;965775 wrote:Action or inaction? Certainly the janitor could have done more, but comparing the culpability of a guy making $10/hour to that of the figurehead of the program?
Do you have a point? If so I'm not getting it. Do you think Paterno shouldn't be fired? -
Manhattan Buckeye
What does this have to do with Paterno?Skyhook79;965791 wrote:Could have done more? Could have? He witnessed it. Sandusky giving oral to a 12 yr old boy. If he goes to the cops Sandusky is in jail in 2000 yet all you say is He could have done more. How come you want everyone to read GJ testimony and when someone points out things in the GJ testimony you ignore it or discount it or excuse it?
NOTHING!
Don't put words in my mouth, I never excused the janitor, but why can't you debate the topic at question, it is the legacy of Joe Paterno, not the legacy of Joe the Janitor.
Again, do you have a point? If so, what is it? -
Skyhook79
Yeah, your a Lawyer...Manhattan Buckeye;965801 wrote:What does this have to do with Paterno?
NOTHING!
Don't put words in my mouth, I never excused the janitor, but why can't you debate the topic at question, it is the legacy of Joe Paterno, not the legacy of Joe the Janitor.
Again, do you have a point? If so, what is it? -
Manhattan Buckeye
It is you're, and you haven't made sense this entire thread. If you feel wronged by any of my posts you can PM me so no one else has to read what you're typing.Skyhook79;965815 wrote:Yeah, your a Lawyer...
I don't get your (notice I use "your" in the correct manner) point at all. What is it? Your (again, used correctly) posts are usually smart, even if I don't agree with them. I don't get your stance at all. Are you related to Paterno? -
Skyhook79
Thanks for the grammar lesson I will try and do better. My stance has nothing to do with Paterno. I have no allegiance to PSU or Paterno in anyway,shape or form. I have said many times in the past that Paterno should have retired 10 years ago. To me this was a witch hunt, the BOT needed a scapegoat, and they chose Paterno because really he was the only "big in stature figure" left that they could fire. They did by a phone call and a rush to judgement. The spokesperson said they didn't have all the facts yet in the presser yet said it wasn't a rush to judgement. Thats not right. I don't want anyone including Paterno to not have due process of the law.Manhattan Buckeye;965830 wrote:It is you're, and you haven't made sense this entire thread. If you feel wronged by any of my posts you can PM me so no one else has to read what you're typing.
I don't get your (notice I use "your" in the correct manner) point at all. What is it? Your (again, used correctly) posts are usually smart, even if I don't agree with them. I don't get your stance at all. Are you related to Paterno?