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Penn State planning for Paterno's departure amid scandal

  • sleeper
    dwccrew;964614 wrote:Don't coaches do the hiring and firing of their own staff? He most certainly was employed by Paterno AND Penn State.

    So since my immediate boss isn't the owner of the company, I am not an employee of his? C'mon.....
    Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time of the incident. Joe Pa simply took the allegations and told the people above him to take care of it. He did exactly what he was suppose to do.
  • alwaysawarrior
    Skyhook79;964663 wrote:So he could have made the Cops arrest Sandusky and put him in jail? So if someone watches/pays for porn on the internet are they "morally" responsible for people going into the porn business? If Casey Anthony has another child and it ends up dead by her hands is the jury "morally" responsible for the child's death?
    ^^^^^^
    This is the kind of argument you have to turn to when you have no rational argument. No he couldn't have forced the cops to do anything, but he would have completed what was HIS responsibility. Instead he did not give them even the opportunity to investigate. He chose to at the very least turn a blind eye to child rape, and more than likely was an enabler. Not sure what porn or Casey Anthony has to do with this, other than proving you really don't have a clue what is going on. If ADULTS want to make porn that is their choice imo. Now if we are talking child porn and you are watching/buying it, then yes you are morally responsible. As for Anthony being on a jury and making an educated decision on legal issues is far different than helping someone get away with child rape.
  • derek bomar
    sleeper;964670 wrote:Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time of the incident. Joe Pa simply took the allegations and told the people above him to take care of it. He did exactly what he was suppose to do.
    not as a man
  • dwccrew
    sleeper;964670 wrote:Sandusky wasn't employed by Penn State at the time of the incident. Joe Pa simply took the allegations and told the people above him to take care of it. He did exactly what he was suppose to do.
    Wasn't there incidents prior to 2002, like in 1998? Which is what led to Sandusky's resigning in 1999? ONE of MANY incidents happened in 2002 and that is the major focus right now, however, Sandusky was still suspected of predatorial behovior pre-2002 and JoePa still allowed him to have access all the way up to a few weeks ago.

    So even if he wasn't employed by PSU or Paterno, they allowed him access to campus and to numerous amounts of children.
  • sleeper
    dwccrew;964693 wrote:Wasn't there incidents prior to 2002, like in 1998? Which is what led to Sandusky's resigning in 1999? ONE of MANY incidents happened in 2002 and that is the major focus right now, however, Sandusky was still suspected of predatorial behovior pre-2002 and JoePa still allowed him to have access all the way up to a few weeks ago.

    So even if he wasn't employed by PSU or Paterno, they allowed him access to campus and to numerous amounts of children.
    The event in which Joe Pa was informed, Sandusky was no longer the D coordinator.
  • Skyhook79
    alwaysawarrior;964671 wrote:^^^^^^
    This is the kind of argument you have to turn to when you have no rational argument. No he couldn't have forced the cops to do anything, but he would have completed what was HIS responsibility. Instead he did not give them even the opportunity to investigate. He chose to at the very least turn a blind eye to child rape, and more than likely was an enabler. Not sure what porn or Casey Anthony has to do with this, other than proving you really don't have a clue what is going on. If ADULTS want to make porn that is their choice imo. Now if we are talking child porn and you are watching/buying it, then yes you are morally responsible. As for Anthony being on a jury and making an educated decision on legal issues is far different than helping someone get away with child rape.
    Would have completed his responsibility? Tell where in GJ testimony where it says Paterno didn't complete his "responsibility" or where he is being charged by the Prosecutor for not "completing his responsibilities"? He didn't give them the opportunity to investigate?? He told his 2 superiors about what he was told, that is what the law says he was to do. It was their responsibility to take it from there not Paterno's.
    As far my comment about Casey Anthony you totally mis-read it.
  • alwaysawarrior
    Skyhook79;964883 wrote:Would have completed his responsibility? Tell where in GJ testimony where it says Paterno didn't complete his "responsibility" or where he is being charged by the Prosecutor for not "completing his responsibilities"? He didn't give them the opportunity to investigate?? He told his 2 superiors about what he was told, that is what the law says he was to do. It was their responsibility to take it from there not Paterno's.
    As far my comment about Casey Anthony you totally mis-read it.
    Legally he did just enough to cover his ass. But if you are blind enough to believe that Joe went to the AD and they decided to not act on it and there was nothing else he could have done then you are a fool. Joe did enough to cover himself legally that is not what I am arguing here. He however did not fulfill his moral obligations. How you can stand up for someone who knew a child was being raped, and at least allowed it to be covered up is beyond me. I believe he probably aided in covering it up as well.
    I didn't misread any of your points they were just served no purpose, I merely pointed that out.
  • lhslep134
    sleeper;964846 wrote:The event in which Joe Pa was informed, Sandusky was no longer the D coordinator.
    This. At least other people are cognizant of this fact. Seems like a lot of people are ignoring it.
  • KR1245
    What was Joes comment? Something about in hindsight he should have done more? That tells me he knew enough to report it to the police. Joe Pa, the ginger and anybody else involved should be removed immediately.
  • lhslep134
    alwaysawarrior;964907 wrote:But if you are blind enough to believe that Joe went to the AD and they decided to not act on it and there was nothing else he could have done then you are a fool.
    Do you report every single allegation you hear to the police? Aren't you supposed to tell your superiors, and it's on them to take the proper action?

    If we were supposed to call the police over every single alleged crime that's told to us instead of letting our superiors deal with it, sh*t would be a lot more out of control.
  • KR1245
    lhslep134;964919 wrote:This. At least other people are cognizant of this fact. Seems like a lot of people are ignoring it.
    How should this matter? The man was allowed to continue to use the school facilities where these crimes took place. The fact that he was no longer on staff means nothing. Joe knew of the allegations and continued to let him use campus resources
  • Con_Alma
    lhslep134;964925 wrote:Do you report every single allegation you hear to the police? Aren't you supposed to tell your superiors, and it's on them to take the proper action?

    If we were supposed to call the police over every single alleged crime that's told to us instead of letting our superiors deal with it, sh*t would be a lot more out of control.
    I would call the police about every allegation of this nature if it was made available to me two times and after the first time nothing was done about it when I let my superiors know.
  • alwaysawarrior
    lhslep134;964925 wrote:Do you report every single allegation you hear to the police? Aren't you supposed to tell your superiors, and it's on them to take the proper action?

    If we were supposed to call the police over every single alleged crime that's told to us instead of letting our superiors deal with it, sh*t would be a lot more out of control.
    So you are telling me that if you have direct knowledge of a ten year old being raped you would not report to anyone other than your superior? Even if nothing had been done? And you act like you have someone telling you about minors being raped all the time. Where do you work that this is going on?

    And lets not pretend like Joe was some first year coach that had no control. Quit acting like he is so innocent and could have done nothing else. He made sure he would not be legally held responsible, thats it, and that is not enough.
  • lhslep134
    alwaysawarrior;964935 wrote:So you are telling me that if you have direct knowledge .
    Direct knowledge is witnessing it. Every other situation is heresay. The rest of your point is irrelevant if you're discussing direct knowledge.
  • 2kool4skool
    lhslep134;964925 wrote:Do you report every single allegation you hear to the police? Aren't you supposed to tell your superiors, and it's on them to take the proper action?

    If we were supposed to call the police over every single alleged crime that's told to us instead of letting our superiors deal with it, sh*t would be a lot more out of control.
    If an employee of mine comes to me and tells me he saw another employee ass-raping a 9 year old in the company bathroom, I'm blowing up at my employee for not removing the 9 year old from the situation himself, then I'm calling the police right then and there. Pretty simple human behavior for anyone with decency really.

    And if I see said rapist still using m facilities over the next decade to interact with children, I'd put a stop to that as well. You know, being that there's one witness who told me directly and multiple additional allegations against him. But maybe that's just me....
  • lhslep134
    alwaysawarrior;964935 wrote:Quit acting like he is so innocent and could have done nothing else. .
    Sorry dude, innocent until proven guilty. I don't go by the court of public opinion, which is guilty until proven innocent. I'm not precluding his guilt (which you're implying I am), but I don't know enough of the other side to preclude his innocence. It's that simple.
  • lhslep134
    2kool4skool;964950 wrote:If an employee of mine comes to me and tells me he saw another employee ass-raping a 9 year old in the company bathroom, I'm blowing up at my employee for not removing the 9 year old from the situation himself, then I'm calling the police right then and there. Pretty simple human behavior for anyone with decency really.
    What happens if it's not true? What if it was a made up allegation?
  • Skyhook79
    alwaysawarrior;964935 wrote:So you are telling me that if you have direct knowledge of a ten year old being raped you would not report to anyone other than your superior? Even if nothing had been done? And you act like you have someone telling you about minors being raped all the time. Where do you work that this is going on?

    And lets not pretend like Joe was some first year coach that had no control. Quit acting like he is so innocent and could have done nothing else. He made sure he would not be legally held responsible, thats it, and that is not enough.
    Not your saying Joe Pa witnessed the act...smh
  • 2kool4skool
    As I posted in another thread: the idea that Paterno will be given the privileged of finishing the season and retiring in the offseason is a slap in the face of every victim he could have saved by doing the most simple duties of anyone with basic human dignity. Not a surprise PSU STILL doesn't care about the victims.
  • 2kool4skool
    lhslep134;964955 wrote:What happens if it's not true? What if it was a made up allegation? Now you're calling the police for no reason.
    ummmmm then I'll let the police sort that out.... And if my employee that told me he witnessed the act was lying, he's gone.

    If an employee told me he saw someone stabbing a person to death in the parking lot, I'd call the police as well. Even if I didn't have a body, matching DNA, and a video tape with the accused saying "look at me I'm murdering someone."

    Really, this isn't a difficult concept. There's a reason everyone is appalled at his behavior, because it lacks common sense and most importantly basic human dignity.
  • sleeper
    2kool4skool;964950 wrote:If an employee of mine comes to me and tells me he saw another employee ass-raping a 9 year old in the company bathroom, I'm blowing up at my employee for not removing the 9 year old from the situation himself, then I'm calling the police right then and there. Pretty simple human behavior for anyone with decency really.

    And if I see said rapist still using m facilities over the next decade to interact with children, I'd put a stop to that as well. You know, being that there's one witness who told me directly and multiple additional allegations against him. But maybe that's just me....
    No you wouldn't. When presented with situations, the proper thing to do, is report the incident to your supervisors to look in to. Joe Pa going to the police is not his responsibility, especially since he didn't witness the crime happening. If Joe Pa goes to the police, and the man who committed the crime is truly innocent, Joe Pa just ruined the guys life and career. Otherwise, you'd have people using the cops and false allegations to ruin someones career. Joe Pa did the right thing and the thing everyone else would truly do in the same situation.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    lhslep134;964955 wrote:What happens if it's not true? What if it was a made up allegation?
    That is for the police and authorities to determine. If someone tells you they witnessed child rape, you do not become a judge.

    This "horsing around" business is ludicrous. If someone came to me - and I was the boss - and told me he'd seen a man "horsing around" with a 10 year old boy in the showers at work, that conversation wouldn't end until I understood exactly what he saw.
  • sleeper
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;964960 wrote:That is for the police and authorities to determine. If someone tells you they witnessed child rape, you do not become a judge.

    This "horsing around" business is ludicrous. If someone came to me - and I was the boss - and told me he'd seen a man "horsing around" with a 10 year old boy in the showers at work, that conversation wouldn't end until I understood exactly what he saw.
    Joe Pa is not "the boss". Especially since Sandusky was not an employee at the time the incident occurred.
  • sleeper
    2kool4skool;964958 wrote:ummmmm then I'll let the police sort that out.... And if my employee that told me he witnessed the act was lying, he's gone.

    If an employee told me he saw someone stabbing a person to death in the parking lot, I'd call the police as well. Even if I didn't have a body, matching DNA, and a video tape with the accused saying "look at me I'm murdering someone."

    Really, this isn't a difficult concept. There's a reason everyone is appalled at his behavior, because it lacks common sense and most importantly basic human dignity.
    Once again, the allegation is damaging enough. You don't just go to the police unless you are 100% sure of the crime. You go through the proper channels and have the administrators call the police. This is how it works in the real world, this is exactly how its suppose to done.
  • 2kool4skool
    sleeper;964961 wrote:Joe Pa did the right thing and the thing everyone else would truly do in the same situation.
    lol, no.

    An employee(who I trust and has no reason to lie): "Hey, boss, I saw Steve stabbing some woman to death in the parking lot"

    "Did you call the police"

    "No"

    "Okay, well we're calling them and you're telling them this."

    Note how the conversation isn't: "Well, I'm not sure I believe you. Let me wait a couple days to tell my regional manager, we'll let him handle it."