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JU-ICE

If not meyer, what about Gary Pinkell from Missouri?

vball10set

JU-ICE;969809 wrote:If not meyer, what about Gary Pinkell from Missouri?

not bad, not bad at all

jpake1

Hate when they lose, but glad it happened today. Otherwise, this staff might be back-- and that's all it takes for a powerhouse to be average-- hiring the wrong staff. Beat UM, and that's all I ask.

jordo212000

jpake1;969814 wrote:Hate when they lose, but glad it happened today. Otherwise, this staff might be back-- and that's all it takes for a powerhouse to be average-- hiring the wrong staff. Beat UM, and that's all I ask.

I'm feeling mostly the same. Let's say we won out and made the Rose Bowl. Can you imagine what Stanford would do to us?

BigAppleBuckeye

Kindof random, and this is highly unlikely, but would Nick Saban consider a return to the Big 10? I know, I know ... just thought it would make for some interesting banter. It's not likely he hasn't jumped ship before.

That being said, Urban Meyer is the slam dunk OSU needs here. If we miss out on him, Peterson would be a GREAT hire, regardless of his experience recruiting in the Midwest. I also know that Greg Schiano's stock has dropped lately, but he is a solid coach at Rutgers, even though my gut says he winds up at Penn State.

wes_mantooth

BigAppleBuckeye;969855 wrote:Kindof random, and this is highly unlikely, but would Nick Saban consider a return to the Big 10? I know, I know ... just thought it would make for some interesting banter. It's not likely he hasn't jumped ship before.

That being said, Urban Meyer is the slam dunk OSU needs here. If we miss out on him, Peterson would be a GREAT hire, regardless of his experience recruiting in the Midwest. I also know that Greg Schiano's stock has dropped lately, but he is a solid coach at Rutgers, even though my gut says he winds up at Penn State.

I doubt it just because he has a job with as much prestige as osu.

rightfield

It seems like it is a done deal with Urban as HC the way the media Ohio talk around it. Maybe the worst kept secret in a long time. Is it true Herbie says he wants to be Urban's QB coach and Spielman wants to be his DC. ?

vball10set

I just watched the lowlights of the game on The Final Drive on BTN, and as bad as the entire team played, and as bad as the coaching was, and as bad as the blocked XP was, I was reminded how especially bad the defense played. It was PATHETIC.

FatHobbit

vball10set;969659 wrote:now, everyone here man up--who the fuck said Fickell should get a shot as our HC? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I thought he should get a shot if they beat michigan and made the title game. Now I'm just hoping we can beat michigan. We'll have to tackle a whole lot better for that. But count me among those who think we're going to need a coaching change now. I wish Fickell well wherever he ends up.

vball10set

FatHobbit;970566 wrote: I wish Fickell well wherever he ends up.

Ditto. I'd like to see him come back someday to lead the Scarlet and Gray, after he gets more experience and this whole mess is behind us.

Mortgagestar1

The Boilmakers & Northwestern are the ONLY two " Ivy League " academic type schools in the Big Ten. NEVER underestimate brains versus brawn!

BigAppleBuckeye

Mortgagestar1;970591 wrote:The Boilmakers & Northwestern are the ONLY two " Ivy League " academic type schools in the Big Ten. NEVER underestimate brains versus brawn!

Pretty sure Purdue is in the bottom half of the Big 10 academically. Not that they are a poor school, but definitely not in the same league as Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

dwccrew

Footwedge;969694 wrote:I don't know what Guiton can do. But right now, Miller is pretty damn bad. Maybe in a year or 2 he will get better. Right now, he's not very good.

I think for a true freshman, with the lack of receiving weapons and pretty bad offensive playcalling, he is doing better than any other option OSU has. Plus, his legs keep plays going. He has rushed for over 100 yards in a couple of games this season. That's pretty impressive for a true frosh QB.

Footwedge;969718 wrote:Miller is a true freshman....and as a passer he is probably the worst in college foorball. OSU ranks only ahead of Army and Navy in the entire NCAA. Any other questions?

You don't honestly believe he is the worst passer in all of college football, do you? I think D. Robinson isn't much better, maybe not better at all, than Miller. OSU's WRs are terrible and drop a lot of good passes.

Footwedge;969721 wrote:Obviously, Fickell agrees with you that Miller is the best choice. With that said, this team has 4 losses...and most of the blame goes to their God awful passing attack.

Possibly, but I blame the coaching personally. The coaching is so pathetic. I can't understand how they have not had the defense ready to play in the last 2 games.

Scarlet_Fever;969728 wrote:I agree with this. However, passing attack is not all on the QB. It is so bad because the line can't block, the WR can't run routes and barely catch, and the play calls are horrible. But you are right lets bench the freshman QB with amazing potentional.

+1

Footwedge;969784 wrote:I don't think Fickell should stay either. But with that said, I don't think this team would have done any better with the vest coaching this year, IMO.

I think they beat Nebraska and Purdue with Tressel coaching. I don't think Tressel would allow the team to give up that big lead against Nebraska late in the game. I also don't think Tressel would have allowed OSUs defense to play like such shit yesterday. Seriously, these guys tackled like 6th graders yesterday.

vball10set;970574 wrote:Ditto. I'd like to see him come back someday to lead the Scarlet and Gray, after he gets more experience and this whole mess is behind us.

I would like Fickell to come back as an assistant, but he'd really have to be successful somewhere else before I'd want him as HC at OSU.

bo shemmy3337

BigAppleBuckeye;970635 wrote:Pretty sure Purdue is in the bottom half of the Big 10 academically. Not that they are a poor school, but definitely not in the same league as Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

Yea Michigan was ranked number 23 in the world in academics last year. Why people do not know this is beyond me lol. They were actually rated higher then Standford last year.

dwccrew

bo shemmy3337;970682 wrote:Yea Michigan was ranked number 23 in the world in academics last year. Why people do not know this is beyond me lol. They were actually rated higher then Standford last year.

I believe they were the #1 rated public university as well, but I could be wrong about that.

se-alum

Miller missed ALOT of open receivers in this game. Three long balls where the receiver had the DB beat by 2-3 steps at least, and the throw was nowhere near where it should've been, then a host of balls thrown high to open receivers. Not saying OSU should make a QB move, but we can't keep blaming the receivers when they are in fact getting open.

Terry_Tate

se-alum;972228 wrote:Miller missed ALOT of open receivers in this game. Three long balls where the receiver had the DB beat by 2-3 steps at least, and the throw was nowhere near where it should've been, then a host of balls thrown high to open receivers. Not saying OSU should make a QB move, but we can't keep blaming the receivers when they are in fact getting open.

At least 2 of those were with a really strong wind at his back, so id cut him some slack on those. You are correct on the high balls though, he did that against Indiana too.

se-alum

Terry_Tate;972236 wrote:At least 2 of those were with a really strong wind at his back, so id cut him some slack on those. You are correct on the high balls though, he did that against Indiana too.

Oh, I know, I'm just sayin' that people tend to put too much on the WR's not being open, when in fact they have gotten open the last couple games. I was actually impressed w/ T.Y. Williams ability to get open.

vball10set

IMO, it boils down to Miller not getting the coaching he needs to transition from a high school QB to a college QB. He's relying on his athletic ability and his previous knowledge of the position, and this is evident by his inconsistency, especially in the passing game.

Again, it comes down to coaching, and this staff's just not getting it done.

wkfan

BigAppleBuckeye;970635 wrote:Pretty sure Purdue is in the bottom half of the Big 10 academically. Not that they are a poor school, but definitely not in the same league as Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

This is true.

bo shemmy3337;970682 wrote:Yea Michigan was ranked number 23 in the world in academics last year. Why people do not know this is beyond me lol. They were actually rated higher then Standford last year.

This is false. (BTW, who is Standford?)

dwccrew;970714 wrote:I believe they were the #1 rated public university as well, but I could be wrong about that.

This is false.

According to US News & World Report (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities):

5. Stanford
12. Northwestern
28. Michigan (#4 Public University)
42. Wisconsin
45. Penn State
45. Illinois
55. Ohio State
62. Purdue
68. Minnesota
71. Michigan State
71. Iowa
75. Indiana
101. Nebraska

se-alum

vball10set;972352 wrote:IMO, it boils down to Miller not getting the coaching he needs to transition from a high school QB to a college QB. He's relying on his athletic ability and his previous knowledge of the position, and this is evident by his inconsistency, especially in the passing game.

Again, it comes down to coaching, and this staff's just not getting it done.

I know everyone wants to blame the coaching anytime anything goes wrong, but at what point do we put something on the players shoulders? By all accounts, Miller has developed very nicely in practices, but he's not translating that to games, and I think that's because he's not confident in his ability to throw the ball and not turn it over. He only has 3 INT's on the year, which tells me he's not taking chances. Is it the coaching staffs fault that Christian Bryant and CJ Barnett lack opposable thumbs? Bryant has bricks for hands, and is seemingly always out of position. Tyler Moeller, the guy has come back from so much, but he's a liability at this point, since he can't cover and can't tackle. Which coach made Drew Basil kick an XP 3 feet off the ground? At some point, the players have to go out and execute what they've been coached to do. You can't tell me that the same defensive staff we've had for years just suddenly got bad, doesn't happen that way. This team is young, and that has shown throughout the season, but they've also shown flashes of brilliance. I think people put too much on coaching, because it's the easy thing to do this year.

vball10set

^^^agree to a point, but it appears that our kids are uninspired and unprepared, and that falls on the coaching staff. Tackling is not ony technique, it's an attitude, and our dbacks don't seem to have it (or haven't learned how to harness it)--coaching. The play calling on offense doesn't seem to give Miller the best chance to succeed--how many screens, quick slants, shovel passes, etc. have we we seen this year? These are low risk plays that are designed to keep the decision making out of a young QB's repertoire until he has time to develope and feel comfortable enough to make the reads and make these decisions. It's not entirely on the coaching, but it starts with them.

FatHobbit

vball10set;972352 wrote:IMO, it boils down to Miller not getting the coaching he needs to transition from a high school QB to a college QB. He's relying on his athletic ability and his previous knowledge of the position, and this is evident by his inconsistency, especially in the passing game.

I'm not going to defend the coaches, but don't forget Miller is a true freshman. If all the drama hadn't gone down he would be watching TP from the sidelines. There aren't too many freshman QBs that look great.

vball10set

FatHobbit;972391 wrote:I'm not going to defend the coaches, but don't forget Miller is a true freshman. If all the drama hadn't gone down he would be watching TP from the sidelines. There aren't too many freshman QBs that look great.

I concur, but that's why coaching is needed even more.

se-alum

vball10set;972390 wrote:^^^agree to a point, but it appears that our kids are uninspired and unprepared, and that falls on the coaching staff. Tackling is not ony technique, it's an attitude, and our dbacks don't seem to have it (or haven't learned how to harness it)--coaching. The play calling on offense doesn't seem to give Miller the best chance to succeed--how many screens, quick slants, shovel passes, etc. have we we seen this year? These are low risk plays that are designed to keep the decision making out of a young QB's repertoire until he has time to develope and feel comfortable enough to make the reads and make these decisions. It's not entirely on the coaching, but it starts with them.

I agree that the offensive playcalling has been horrific, but that's not unlike every year except for Troy's Heisman year. The lack of screens and slants is undeniable, but it's not like they've ever ran them. The defensive coaching is the same as it has been, so I have to believe that's on the players not executing in game situations. I think our DB's(other than OJ), have too much attitude when it comes to tackling. They want to make the big hit/play and find themselves out of position to make the tackle.

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