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  • swamisez
    Additionally, I am willing to bet that it isn't any NC State hacker who posted the Peppers transcript. I am inclined to believe it is one of the academics at UNC who did this. With so many professors claiming the actions by the university and the AFAM dept. have made them "sickened", no pack backer had to dig for this information. It was probably passed freely by a staffer under anonymity.
  • Mulva
    That list makes me sad for college basketball this year.
  • swamisez
    Mulva;1248839 wrote:That list makes me sad for college basketball this year.
    Agree. The state of college basketball is pretty poor. Of course Shabazz Muhammad is a no brainer number one lock if he is able to play.
  • wildcats20
    Holy shit.....

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8274359/nike-schools-commit-16-team-mega-event-honor-phil-knight

    Two, 8 NIKE team tournaments in Portland in honor of Phil Knight.

    • Kentucky (SEC)
    • Florida (SEC)
    • Michigan State (Big Ten)
    • Ohio State (Big Ten)
    • Duke (ACC)
    • North Carolina (ACC)
    • Connecticut (Big East)
    • Georgetown (Big East)
    • Texas (Big 12)
    • Oklahoma (Big 12)
    • Stanford (Pac-12)
    • Oregon (Pac-12)
    • Xavier (A-10)
    • Butler (A-10)
    • Gonzaga (WCC)
    • Portland (WCC)
  • NilesPacMan
    It happens in 2017, but that double tournament in Oregon will be a really good one. Hopefully, all of these teams will be up and good in 2017, and that would make this the best ever preseason tournament.
  • wildcats20
    Yeah didn't add the date. It also hinges on schools contracts and if they stay in current leagues.
  • ironman02
    swamisez;1248365 wrote:Additionally, I am willing to bet that it isn't any NC State hacker who posted the Peppers transcript. I am inclined to believe it is one of the academics at UNC who did this. With so many professors claiming the actions by the university and the AFAM dept. have made them "sickened", no pack backer had to dig for this information. It was probably passed freely by a staffer under anonymity.
    All the stories I've read are crediting it to someone from NC State. Hell, they're even bragging about it on Pack Pride. Maybe they're just taking credit for it, I don't know.

    I think I probably worded the "easy class" comment the wrong way. Obviously it was been proven that the independent studies class was fraudulent. I don't think, however, that it was proven that the athletic department was aware of the fraud taking place in the AFAM department. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Most of the classes in question, though, were ones where there was minimal required work and practically no class attendance. Roy Williams seems to feel like the basketball program is in good shape. Maybe he's being overly optimistic. Guess we'll see.

    Edit: Here's the latest article from ESPN. I've read so many things, I'm not sure what's true and what's not. Seems like a lot of speculation and misinformation mixed in with the truth.

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8275928/north-carolina-tar-heels-attempting-move-academic-scandal
  • ironman02
    Here are the FACTS, as of right now.

    http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2012/05/04/11064531/Report.PDF
  • centralbucksfan
    IU recruit Patterson didn't meet IU admissions requirements. Won't be playing for Hoosiers this year. Honestly don't know much about the kid or if he would have played much. I am sure Laley can fill us in.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/08/15/Ron-Patterson-Indiana.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a6
  • centralbucksfan
    SportsAndLady;1239973 wrote:I don't have a "mancrush" on you cbf...you were just blatantly wrong and I called you out on it.
    Me, you and about everyone in the country. lol Duh
  • Azubuike24
    swamisez;1248878 wrote:Agree. The state of college basketball is pretty poor. Of course Shabazz Muhammad is a no brainer number one lock if he is able to play.
    I disagree with this. Shabazz is going to be, IMO, much like Austin Rivers last year. Now, he's better than Rivers but Shabazz has some flaws that aren't seen in the all-star games. I can see other players having just as big or bigger of an impact.
  • wildcats20
    Azubuike24;1249564 wrote:I disagree with this. Shabazz is going to be, IMO, much like Austin Rivers last year. Now, he's better than Rivers but Shabazz has some flaws that aren't seen in the all-star games. I can see other players having just as big or bigger of an impact.

    Yeah. Being eligible.
  • Laley23
    centralbucksfan;1249538 wrote:IU recruit Patterson didn't meet IU admissions requirements. Won't be playing for Hoosiers this year. Honestly don't know much about the kid or if he would have played much. I am sure Laley can fill us in.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/08/15/Ron-Patterson-Indiana.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a6
    He was eligible per the NCAA and clearinghouse, but his IPS GPA (Indy public schools) was pretty low. IU admitted him to summer terms with the stipulation that he get the grades up with a C average. He didn't do that, and had a C- that needed to be a C to get the average. He appealed and it was denied. He was supposed to decide on prep school or another 4 year and can play immediately. I'm on vacation and don't know what he choose. Prep school would mean he will likey be in IUs 2013 class.

    IU had 14 players signed on schollys for 13 spots. This decision is a bit questionable cause that oversight issue needed to be resolved by Monday. Had their been a spot available, I personally think they find a way to get him into school. But oh well.

    As far as a player. He or Remy Abel were always the 2 who needed to go to not have it impact IU this year. Patterson was a candidate for a redshirt (though Crean doesn't typically redshirt players). Deep position and he wouldn't have been a regular till he was a JR. Hopefully Crean can replace him...and I think with 2 classes he will.
  • reclegend22
    Azubuike24;1247024 wrote:Some crazy stuff going on.

    Imagine if this was UK and not UNC? Even UCLA?
    The only two basketball schools at which something like the situation currently unfolding in Chapel Hill would create an utter media firestorm would be Kentucky and Duke. These are the cornerstone programs that people constantly like to see scorned and brought down, whether it be for allegations of impropriety or simply not winning enough. Albeit, Kentucky has certainly -- in the past -- not done itself any favors of preventing such media ambushes with regard to the former (i.e. the Bills for Mills scandal of the late 80s).

    And it's not even close.

    I don't know much about the issue at Carolina, to be completely honest, but I do believe that, regardless of what was happening, ESPN and a sizable pocket of the media, given the well-documented connection of many sports media types with the UNC school of broadcasting and journalism, would do everything possible to give the school a pass. That would unquestionably not be the case if we were talking about teams led by Coach K or John Calipari.
  • reclegend22
    wildcats20;1248882 wrote:Holy ****.....

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8274359/nike-schools-commit-16-team-mega-event-honor-phil-knight

    Two, 8 NIKE team tournaments in Portland in honor of Phil Knight.

    • Kentucky (SEC)
    • Florida (SEC)
    • Michigan State (Big Ten)
    • Ohio State (Big Ten)
    • Duke (ACC)
    • North Carolina (ACC)
    • Connecticut (Big East)
    • Georgetown (Big East)
    • Texas (Big 12)
    • Oklahoma (Big 12)
    • Stanford (Pac-12)
    • Oregon (Pac-12)
    • Xavier (A-10)
    • Butler (A-10)
    • Gonzaga (WCC)
    • Portland (WCC)
    What if Phil dies? That would kind of create a sour atmosphere for Phil's 80th birthday bash. Apparently, Nike hasn't taken the idea that Phil is not a superhero into consideration. It'd be an easy enough fix, though, just by turning it into a memorial tournament, similar to what the John Wooden Classic has become.

    Pretty cool idea, though. Love that Duke and Carolina could possibly meet early in the season? That'd be awesome. Though, I suspect they'd be in different tournaments.
  • Terry_Tate
    wildcats20;1248882 wrote:Holy ****.....

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8274359/nike-schools-commit-16-team-mega-event-honor-phil-knight

    Two, 8 NIKE team tournaments in Portland in honor of Phil Knight.

    • Kentucky (SEC)
    • Florida (SEC)
    • Michigan State (Big Ten)
    • Ohio State (Big Ten)
    • Duke (ACC)
    • North Carolina (ACC)
    • Connecticut (Big East)
    • Georgetown (Big East)
    • Texas (Big 12)
    • Oklahoma (Big 12)
    • Stanford (Pac-12)
    • Oregon (Pac-12)
    • Xavier (A-10)
    • Butler (A-10)
    • Gonzaga (WCC)
    • Portland (WCC)

    6 to midnight. That would be badass.
  • GOONx19
    Julius Peppers confirmed that it was indeed his transcript posted.
  • vball10set
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/sports/ncaabasketball/landing-in-west-virginia-dan-dakich-checked-the-exits.html?_r=1&ref=sports
    Some of the most challenging items on Dakich’s list involved Jonathan Hargett, a top recruit from Richmond who had just completed his freshman season at West Virginia.
    Dakich said Hargett told him that he had been promised $20,000 a year for three years, and that he had not been paid the full amount. Dakich also said that Hargett said he was tired of people “owning” him.
  • ironman02
    reclegend22;1249835 wrote:
    I don't know much about the issue at Carolina, to be completely honest, but I do believe that, regardless of what was happening, ESPN and a sizable pocket of the media, given the well-documented connection of many sports media types with the UNC school of broadcasting and journalism, would do everything possible to give the school a pass. That would unquestionably not be the case if we were talking about teams led by Coach K or John Calipari.
    Did you type this with a straight face? The media hasn't made a huge deal out of the Carolina issue, but the stuff they have been printing has been garbage. Most of it isn't even close to accurate. Until I read the actual report released by UNC, I was guilty of many misconceptions just because I was listening to what the media was saying. Trust me, there are plenty of people who want Roy Williams and the basketball program to go down with the football program. And in case you haven't noticed, the media absolutely loves Coach K and everything he does. Come on, man.
  • ironman02
    GOONx19;1249921 wrote:Julius Peppers confirmed that it was indeed his transcript posted.
    I'm not defending the university at all because there was clearly a problem. However, Peppers' GPA hovered right around a 2.0. He would have had to raise his overall GPA slightly to have been eligible as a senior, but he entered the NFL draft. The crazy thing is, it's not like his GPA in the AFAM classes was abnormally high. He had about a 2.17 in his major classes, and there were several AFAM classes where he didn't do well at all. The kid barely got by and it's obviously because he would have never been at UNC if it wasn't for his athletic ability. I really don't think this transcript is a big deal when you really break it down. The overall mess in the AFAM department is definitley the biggest issue, and it appears that the university has taken steps to correct the problem, while also putting together a plan to investigate further.
  • reclegend22
    ironman02;1250025 wrote:Did you type this with a straight face? The media hasn't made a huge deal out of the Carolina issue, but the stuff they have been printing has been garbage. Most of it isn't even close to accurate. Until I read the actual report released by UNC, I was guilty of many misconceptions just because I was listening to what the media was saying. Trust me, there are plenty of people who want Roy Williams and the basketball program to go down with the football program. And in case you haven't noticed, the media absolutely loves Coach K and everything he does. Come on, man.
    As I said, I haven't really been following the Carolina issue at all, so I can't comment on the specifics of it. What I can say is that, yes, I do believe that, if there were a reversal of roles and either Duke or Kentucky's men's basketball teams were under a similar microscope for a possible scandal of any sort, that the media (ESPN) would be setting up shop at those universities and turning it into a mega-story, whether manufactured or not. Believe me, just as you think there are people who would like to bring down Roy Williams (which I just don't see, as I kind of get the vibe that, while I am sure he has his detesters -- Duke fans in particular -- most people are just indifferent about Roy), there are that many more that would love to see college basketball's "white knight" in Durham fall from grace. Look at what happened with Joe Paterno. The media -- and public for that matter -- love to see the "good guys" at the very top, the very guys who the media helped build up, go back down just as quick in flames.

    While the media might be celebrating Coach K for what he's done over the past year (becoming the all-time wins leader, coaching team USA to a second straight gold medal), that's simply because those are celebration-worthy feats that deserve to be praised and lauded. That would be the case with any coach who has enjoyed that type of undeniable success. He's going to get that recognition and "love" because the media has to report on it, that's their job and what they are expected to do when such extraordinary accomplishments are achieved.

    Duke is the most hated basketball team on any level in the U.S. The program's players are the subject of more public ridicule and hostility around the country than any other college basketball program. I've traveled around the nation watching the team play. I've lived it. I read the constant bashing of K and Duke and everything "wrong" the program supposedly stands for by many personalities in the media each winter. I can confidently say that any whisper whatsoever of impropriety at Duke would turn into a free-for-all. You are, of course, free to disagree if you like.
  • Prescott
    I don't think Joe Paterno could be described as one of the "Good Guys".
  • ironman02
    reclegend22;1250056 wrote:As I said, I haven't really been following the Carolina issue at all, so I can't comment on the specifics of it. What I can say is that, yes, I do believe that, if there were a reversal of roles and either Duke or Kentucky's men's basketball teams were under a similar microscope for a possible scandal of any sort, that the media (ESPN) would be setting up shop at those universities and turning it into a mega-story, whether manufactured or not. Believe me, just as you think there are people who would like to bring down Roy Williams (which I just don't see, as I kind of get the vibe that, while I am sure he has his detesters -- Duke fans in particular -- most people are just indifferent about Roy), there are that many more that would love to see college basketball's "white knight" in Durham fall from grace. Look at what happened with Joe Paterno. The media -- and public for that matter -- love to see the "good guys" at the very top, the very guys who the media helped build up, go back down just as quick in flames.

    While the media might be celebrating Coach K for what he's done over the past year (becoming the all-time wins leader, coaching team USA to a second straight gold medal), that's simply because those are celebration-worthy feats that deserve to be praised and lauded. That would be the case with any coach who has enjoyed that type of undeniable success. He's going to get that recognition and "love" because the media has to report on it, that's their job and what they are expected to do when such extraordinary accomplishments are achieved.

    Duke is the most hated basketball team on any level in the U.S. The program's players are the subject of more public ridicule and hostility around the country than any other college basketball program. I've traveled around the nation watching the team play. I've lived it. I read the constant bashing of K and Duke and everything "wrong" the program supposedly stands for by many personalities in the media each winter. I can confidently say that any whisper whatsoever of impropriety at Duke would turn into a free-for-all. You are, of course, free to disagree if you like.
    Let me see if I understand. If this was UK, the media would be all over it because of Calipari's history and because he tends to push the envelope with regard to recruiting. If it was Duke, the media would be all over it because, despite all of Coach K's accolades, he's still a jackass of epic proportions. On the other hand, Roy is just an ol' southern fella who's just impossible not to like. Sound about right? :D

    In all seriousness, I see the point you're making, but I still disagree somewhat. I don't doubt that Duke is the most hated basketball program in the country. It's partly because people are jealous of their success, but it's also partially due to how much the media fawns over K and his program. In their eyes, he does no wrong. Maybe there are media members here or there that would love to see him fail (just as there with Roy and Cal), but I think the majority of the media dearly loves him. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
  • Azubuike24
    I took his point pretty much as "if you changed the name of the institution from North Carolina to *insert school*, this story would be covered differently."

    I tend to agree. We can debate all day and night what "differently" means and the reasons why.
  • ironman02
    How is there some sort of ESPN/media bias toward North Carolina? Apparently I need this explained to me, because I really don't see how UNC gets this preferential treatment you guys are referring to right now.

    Maybe the media isn't going crazy over it because there hasn't really been anything proven with regard to the basketball program. I think we're all aware of the fact that basketball is THE sport at Carolina. Also, the football program has already been given their punishment. The NCAA knew of the academic issues before handing out those sanctions because UNC made them aware of them.

    If something else substantial is uncovered, especially with regard to the basketball program, then maybe UNC will face the media onslaught that is apparently missing right now. Also, in case it wasn't clear, the smiley face in my previous post signifies that I was joking.