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  • Little Danny
    SportsAndLady;853336 wrote:That's crazy; but who is, now, the best coach in the Big Ten now that Tress is gone? Bret Bielema?
    Common Man and the Torg were talking about this the other day. Right now, the B10 has a lack of depth at the head coaching position. Names like Jerry Kilne, Danny Hope, Ron Zook and Kevin Wilson don't scream Knute Rockne, JoePa is a shell of his former self and Luke Fickell is auditioning for a head coaching job amidst turmoil.
  • bigkahuna
    SportsAndLady;853317 wrote:2-Fair enough.

    3-You're exaggerating my posts. I'm not saying that Rutgers is the ONLY reason the BEN is going to happen. Nor am I saying it's the entire reason why the revenue will be so high. I'm simply saying because RU is in the NY market, it doesn't hurt. And its a very valuable asset for RU to have.

    3. Misread on my part. I'll agree that it can be, but I just don't think that it WILL be.
  • bigkahuna
    SportsAndLady;853335 wrote:Well first of all, I'm not trying to claim RU is Penn State or Alabama with their attendance numbers. My only qualm was with the comment "no one cares about Rutgers" that's simply not true. We have to compete with 13 professional sports teams within 100 miles of Piscataway, so it's not like it's exactly the hottest ticket in town.

    But as far as attendance goes, our newly expanded stadium holds 52,000. In 2010, we averaged 46,000...in a 4-8 season. That was 42nd in the country, ahead of teams like the U, Boston College, Utah and Arizona State. In 2009, they were 4th in the Big East in attendance.

    I only use 2009 and 2010 because the stadium was expanded from ~40,000 to 52,000 in 2009. I'm sure the 06-09 attendance numbers were just as good.

    This is the biggest problem for Rutgers. Put them in the midwest, and yes they could be more consistent with success.
  • vball10set
    bigkahuna;853676 wrote:This is the biggest problem for Rutgers. Put them in the midwest, and yes they could be more consistent with success.

    I would really like to see them in the Big Ten--they would bring the NY/NJ market with them, and in return would inherit the Big Ten's football credibilty as a recruiting tool...I think it would be a good match.
  • bigkahuna
    vball10set;853936 wrote:I would really like to see them in the Big Ten--they would bring the NY/NJ market with them, and in return would inherit the Big Ten's football credibilty as a recruiting tool...I think it would be a good match.

    I'll agree with that. If Rutgers ever came to the B1G, the 12 schools that are already here could benefit from the NY Market more than RU ever could.
  • jordo212000
    I'll pass on the NY market. The Big 10 does fine without it. Rutgers really isn't a traditional power, so you wonder how much longer they will remain a solid program. They really haven't been all that special in a bad conference. If you are going to add teams to the conference, you don't want a bottom feeder. You want somebody who is going to be a game changer.

    Adding Notre Dame, Texas, or even Missouri would all be better moves than adding Rutgers.
  • Fly4Fun
    ^ Agreed.

    But what I do find funny is that apparently SportsandLady is all of the sudden an adamant Rutgers supporter and referring to them as we.

    Unless I missed it somewhere previously, this is a new development and he's starting some kind of grad program there this year.
  • krambman
    Fly4Fun;854527 wrote:^ Agreed.

    But what I do find funny is that apparently SportsandLady is all of the sudden an adamant Rutgers supporter and referring to them as we.

    Unless I missed it somewhere previously, this is a new development and he's starting some kind of grad program there this year.

    I believe that he's working in the Rutgers athletic department.
  • jordo212000
    Fly4Fun;854527 wrote:^ Agreed.

    But what I do find funny is that apparently SportsandLady is all of the sudden an adamant Rutgers supporter and referring to them as we.

    Unless I missed it somewhere previously, this is a new development and he's starting some kind of grad program there this year.

    He sells tickets for them. Even if I didn't know that, I'd probably assume he had some sort of connection. Few people go out of their way to defend Rutgers'/Schiano's honor.
  • bigkahuna
    jordo212000;854534 wrote:He sells tickets for them. Even if I didn't know that, I'd probably assume he had some sort of connection. Few people go out of their way to defend Rutgers'/Schiano's honor.

    This.
  • SportsAndLady
    Just pointing out what I know is wrong (no one in NY cares about.ru)...not sure how that makes me an adament Rutgers fan, but oh well
  • Fly4Fun
    SportsAndLady;854622 wrote:Just pointing out what I know is wrong (no one in NY cares about.ru)...not sure how that makes me an adament Rutgers fan, but oh well

    Relatively no one cares about Rutgers football though. Of the big college football teams, no one cares about Rutgers. Of the NY teams/sports, no one cares about Rutgers. As previously stated, NY'ers care about professional: NFL, Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, and then some College Basketball; they generally do not care about college football, and if they do it's not as if NY is loyal to Rutgers at all... definitely not like Columbus to OSU, AA to Michigan, Texas to Texas, Madison to Wisconsin. None of my many New Yorker friends in college cared about Rutgers over other teams. If a kid was from New York it was impossible to guess what college team he supported. But I can tell you my friend from Akransas was an Arkansas fan, my friend from Tennessee was a Tennessee fan, my friend from Seattle was a Washington fan, my friend from LA was a USC fan, the kids from Texas were generally Texas fans. My friends from New York? One was a Michigan fan, another one was an ND fan, and the rest pretty much didn't care for college football.

    My point is New York does not have a loyalty to Rutgers. It is safe to say New York does not care about Rutgers... just because some do doesn't mean the city is A Rutgers city... it's not and nor will it ever be.
  • SportsAndLady
    I never said it was a Rutgers city dumbass...my point isnt to compare Rutgers to ohio state or Michigan...just that with 350000 alumni in the area, its simply untrue to say no one in NY cares
  • Fly4Fun
    SportsAndLady;854689 wrote:I never said it was a Rutgers city dumbass...my point isnt to compare Rutgers to ohio state or Michigan...just that with 350000 alumni in the area, its simply untrue to say no one in NY cares

    First off, watch the unnecessary name calling.

    Second... my point holds true. While there might be a few people who care in NY, the majority don't... the overwhelming majority don't. You keep throwing out this 350,000 number like it's supposed to be impressive.

    New York city has a population of a little over 8 million, New York Metropolitan area is a little over 18 million I believe. You said area which is kind of vague, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're talking about the city proper.

    350,000 is about 4.3% of 8 million... NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE. And you're number becomes even less impressive when you're just saying alumni. We're talking about males and females. Generally females are much less of sport fans than males... and not every male that goes to college is a sports fan... heck, as I've already said, most people from the North East/New England area of the country don't care about college football but focus on professional sports.

    Of that 350,000 alumni in the area, I'd be shocked if at least 150,000 of them were actual Rutgers fans.

    150,000 people out of 8 million is really not that impressive at all. But we'll give credit and say even if 350,000 are all Rutgers football fans (which I highly doubt)... 4.3% of New Yorkers caring about Rutgers football is essentially no one.

    I made many assumptions in your favor and your statement still comes out weak.

    I understand wanting to represent your employer in a positive light... but come on man, you're not fooling anyone into thinking that Rutgers has a huge draw in New York.

    The North East coast just doesn't care for college football like the south or midwest. They are professional sports much more so.
  • SportsAndLady
    Hahaha stopped reading after your first paragraph...again I'm not saying ru fans are the majority of.NY...stop pretending like I'm saying anything other than "you're wrong, some people do care in NY its just not the majority of concern"

    And LOL @ "watch it on the name calling" haha okay...????
  • bigkahuna
    SportsAndLady;854751 wrote:Hahaha stopped reading after your first paragraph...again I'm not saying ru fans are the majority of.NY...stop pretending like I'm saying anything other than "you're wrong, some people do care in NY its just not the majority of concern"

    And LOL @ "watch it on the name calling" haha okay...????
    This is what most people have been saying to you. Most people don't give two cents about RU.

    NY TV Market-worthless
    Alumni-worthless
    Success/Lack there of-worthless

    People don't care.
  • bigkahuna
    Fly4Fun;854742 wrote:First off, watch the unnecessary name calling.

    Second... my point holds true. While there might be a few people who care in NY, the majority don't... the overwhelming majority don't. You keep throwing out this 350,000 number like it's supposed to be impressive.

    New York city has a population of a little over 8 million, New York Metropolitan area is a little over 18 million I believe. You said area which is kind of vague, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're talking about the city proper.

    350,000 is about 4.3% of 8 million... NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE. And you're number becomes even less impressive when you're just saying alumni. We're talking about males and females. Generally females are much less of sport fans than males... and not every male that goes to college is a sports fan... heck, as I've already said, most people from the North East/New England area of the country don't care about college football but focus on professional sports.

    Of that 350,000 alumni in the area, I'd be shocked if at least 150,000 of them were actual Rutgers fans.

    150,000 people out of 8 million is really not that impressive at all. But we'll give credit and say even if 350,000 are all Rutgers football fans (which I highly doubt)... 4.3% of New Yorkers caring about Rutgers football is essentially no one.

    I made many assumptions in your favor and your statement still comes out weak.

    I understand wanting to represent your employer in a positive light... but come on man, you're not fooling anyone into thinking that Rutgers has a huge draw in New York.

    The North East coast just doesn't care for college football like the south or midwest. They are professional sports much more so.

    Just to reinstate. I'm a BG Alumnus. I pay attention to some of the athletics but really don't care. The only thing I care about is the Women's Basketball team, and that's due to their dominance over the past 5+ years.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    ytownfootball;852761 wrote:Having lived on the east coast just across the GWB from NYC and roomied with a native New Yorker, what he says in general is true. NY is a pro city by and large, always has been.

    Lived in NYC 8 years. NO ONE in NYC that isn't from somewhere else cares about Rutgers or any other football team except maybe Notre Dame. Native New Yorkers think college football is a red state redneck sport.

    Those that follow football follow the teams where they are from, typically Michigan, Ohio St., Texas, Penn St., etc.

    Schiano should have struck when the iron was hot. And the campus is just far enough away from NYC that it is in major bridge and tunnel category. New Jersey isn't an attractive state.
  • SportsAndLady
    bigkahuna;854761 wrote:This is what most people have been saying to you. Most people don't give two cents about RU.

    NY TV Market-worthless
    Alumni-worthless
    Success/Lack there of-worthless

    People don't care.

    Yeah most people don't, I've been saying that..my issue was "NOBODY in NY cares"
  • Fly4Fun
    SportsAndLady;854809 wrote:Yeah most people don't, I've been saying that..my issue was "NOBODY in NY cares"

    So your issue is with the use of hyperbole. It means exaggeration for effect. Basically when people say that Rutgers would bring the New York TV market, people use hyperbole saying "no one cares" to emphasize that NY doesn't care about college football, and even if they do, they are probably a fan of a team other than Rutgers.

    It's sad that has to be explained to you.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Glad you know more than people in the industry C4F. Your attitude is truly a positive to this "discussion". lolfail at C4F turninmg a thread about coaches on the hot seat into a NY/Rutgers sucks pissing match.
  • SportsAndLady
    Fly4Fun;854821 wrote:So your issue is with the use of hyperbole. It means exaggeration for effect. Basically when people say that Rutgers would bring the New York TV market, people use hyperbole saying "no one cares" to emphasize that NY doesn't care about college football, and even if they do, they are probably a fan of a team other than Rutgers.

    It's sad that has to be explained to you.

    I just think it's hilarious that you used the "I know a guy who doesn't care about Rutgers" so that must mean NO ONE cares about Rutgers. I realized you exaggerated, but you also kept it up with 2 more posts saying NO ONE cares about Rutgers. I would call you a name, but I know how sensitive you get over internet name calling so..
  • Fly4Fun
    SportsAndLady;854831 wrote:I just think it's hilarious that you used the "I know a guy who doesn't care about Rutgers" so that must mean NO ONE cares about Rutgers. I realized you exaggerated, but you also kept it up with 2 more posts saying NO ONE cares about Rutgers. I would call you a name, but I know how sensitive you get over internet name calling so..

    No, I wasn't saying I know a guy... I was saying I know MANY guys. I was using it as an unscientific sample size. And the thing is... I was/am right about what conclusion that the majority of NY doesn't care about College Football, and if they do care, it is not about Rutgers.

    And I didn't keep it up completely... I even spelled it out in numbers, but apparently reading is too hard for you as you admitted you skipped that post.

    And after your little temper tantrum about hyperbole you have the audacity to be calling someone sensitive? It's hard to take you seriously.

    But this topic is far enough off-topic, and I've wasted enough time dealing with your misunderstandings. Don't expect me to respond to you regarding this again.
  • SportsAndLady
    Fly4Fun;854832 wrote:No, I wasn't saying I know a guy... I was saying I know MANY guys. I was using it as an unscientific sample size. And the thing is... I was/am right about what conclusion that the majority of NY doesn't care about College Football, and if they do care, it is not about Rutgers.

    And I didn't keep it up completely... I even spelled it out in numbers, but apparently reading is too hard for you as you admitted you skipped that post.

    And after your little temper tantrum about hyperbole you have the audacity to be calling someone sensitive? It's hard to take you seriously.

    Hard to take me seriously? Coming from you, that's hilarious.

    You threw out some garbage about my 350,000 number...well yeah no shit compared to the 8 million other people in the city that's not a lot; BUT ITS STILL A BIG NUMBER. And if you think they don't care about rutgers, well that's just retarded.
  • SportsAndLady
    Here's the thing..I don't care about what you say anymore. Bringing up 4 people you know who don't care about Rutgers isn't gonna trump the dozens of NYers I have already sold tickets to. So, blow me.