KnightRyder, who is your team?

• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;799268 wrote:I guess...if you're 12 years old.

  
  Or if you read your posts.
  

  KnightRyder;799282 wrote:did you not find it odd that wilder a recruit that was considered by many to be the top player in the nation chose FSU, a program that hasnt been a elite team since 2000? i know i did. i thought FSU fans loved mark stoops.

  I don't follow recruiting all that closely, but know a little bit about Wilder. I had never really heard of anyone having him as the top player in the nation, but if you say so. Anyway, it isn't all that surprising to me that he chose about the only big name school who was recruiting him as a RB instead of for defense. And regardless of how un-elite FSU has been, they haven't been horrible so they will continue to have a lot of appeal to big name recruits.
  
  My thought about you and Mark Stoops was that most people don't spend a whole lot of time hating on other schools' assistant coaches. And most people don't use superlatives (you called him "the worst...in the country"). The exceptions I would think would only be if he formerly coached at "your" school and since I doubt you're an Arizona fan, that would leave Miami as the reasonable answer for you...but supposedly "your" team has never lost to Ohio State. Since I'm just hoping you aren't a Florida fan as a matter of personal preference, I'm trying to get something else to stick.
• Tigerfan00

  

  KnightRyder;799282 wrote:did you not find it odd that wilder a recruit that was considered by many to be the top player in the nation chose FSU, a program that hasnt been a elite team since 2000? i know i did. i thought FSU fans loved mark stoops.

  
  Why would you find that odd or even care unless you are a fan of FSU, there are plenty of players out there who pick colleges that are a little odd. Why is it just odd about Wilders choice?
• vball10set

  cats gone wild;799347 wrote:Your first post I quoted was not you just talking about this season, but a bunch of seasons. Dont try to get out of it.
  But, just to shut you up, without even having to look at teams schedules. LSU is going to WVU this coming season, and WVU is not in the south. I dont see OSU playing a Oregon, WVU, Bama, UF, AUB type of schedule like LSU does. Keep playing the MAC and the BIG MAC (big ten).

  
  so the troll decides to emerge from his sewer--to what do we deserve this honor?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  We're talking out of conference, genius. And WVU is below the Mason Dixon Line -- so argue all you want that it's not the South, but it's more southern than northern.
  
  OSU has at least attempted to play one major program home-home in the out of conference schedule for a number of years now. That's more than most teams in the SEC even try to do. You know it, and I know it. Future opponents for OSU include Cal, Va Tech, Oklahoma and Tennessee in home and home games.
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;799485 wrote:We're talking out of conference, genius. And WVU is below the Mason Dixon Line -- so argue all you want that it's not the South, but it's more southern than northern.
  
  OSU has at least attempted to play one major program home-home in the out of conference schedule for a number of years now. That's more than most teams in the SEC even try to do. You know it, and I know it. Future opponents for OSU include Cal, Va Tech, Oklahoma and Tennessee in home and home games.

  
  Same old dumb shit argument. Eight out of 12 SEC teams automatically play the defending national champion, which means that outside of the 4 OOC teams that also play that team, nobody can claim a better single game (you know, the one game on which you're hanging your hat).
  
  I know you're bitter that there's a pecking order that says when all other things are equal (multiple undefeated teams, or a bunch of teams with 1 loss, etc.), the SEC champion is going to get the nod. So, does it really make you feel better - in your own mind - to keep telling yourself they somehow don't deserve it because one good opponent on OSU's schedule is good?
• KnightRyder

  

  Tigerfan00;799397 wrote:Why would you find that odd or even care unless you are a fan of FSU, there are plenty of players out there who pick colleges that are a little odd. Why is it just odd about Wilders choice?

  
  because i had read the finalist were florida and georgia.
• KnightRyder

  

  Writerbuckeye;799485 wrote:We're talking out of conference, genius. And WVU is below the Mason Dixon Line -- so argue all you want that it's not the South, but it's more southern than northern.
  
  OSU has at least attempted to play one major program home-home in the out of conference schedule for a number of years now. That's more than most teams in the SEC even try to do. You know it, and I know it. Future opponents for OSU include Cal, Va Tech, Oklahoma and Tennessee in home and home games.

  you can call it more southern than northern, but the biggest rivalry for WVU is Pitt . the proximity of the 2 schools is why that game is called the backyard brawl. is pitt more southern than northern also?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  enigmaax;799494 wrote:Same old dumb **** argument. Eight out of 12 SEC teams automatically play the defending national champion, which means that outside of the 4 OOC teams that also play that team, nobody can claim a better single game (you know, the one game on which you're hanging your hat).
  
  I know you're bitter that there's a pecking order that says when all other things are equal (multiple undefeated teams, or a bunch of teams with 1 loss, etc.), the SEC champion is going to get the nod. So, does it really make you feel better - in your own mind - to keep telling yourself they somehow don't deserve it because one good opponent on OSU's schedule is good?

  
  I'm not going to argue which conference is strongest because obviously the SEC is right now. The discussion isn't about that, or about overall schedules. It's about OUT OF CONFERENCE scheduling.
  
  Change the argument if you like, but Alabama is venturing north of the Mason Dixon Line for the first time since 1989 to play PSU this fall. I'd say that borders on ridiculous when it comes to insular scheduling. Florida hasn't been much better historically.
  
  And if you want to discuss WHY the SEC is the strongest conference right now, we can have another discussion about oversigning and how it has allowed powers like Alabama and LSU, among others, to basically bring in an extra recruiting class every 4 years or so. That's a huge advantage and the dirty not so secret reason the SEC has risen to the top.
• Tigerfan00

  

  KnightRyder;799498 wrote:because i had read the finalist were florida and georgia.

  
  Im guessing Florida is his team.
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;799533 wrote: The discussion isn't about that, or about overall schedules. It's about OUT OF CONFERENCE scheduling.
  
  Change the argument if you like, but Alabama is venturing north of the Mason Dixon Line for the first time since 1989 to play PSU this fall. I'd say that borders on ridiculous when it comes to insular scheduling. Florida hasn't been much better historically.
  
  And if you want to discuss WHY the SEC is the strongest conference right now, we can have another discussion about oversigning and how it has allowed powers like Alabama and LSU, among others, to basically bring in an extra recruiting class every 4 years or so. That's a huge advantage and the dirty not so secret reason the SEC has risen to the top.

  
  Hence the hilarity of "whinerbuckeye". The OOC schedule is the argument for you because you choose to isolate four games and then actually break it down even further to one game because that is the only way for you to deal with whatever inferiority you're trying to overcome. It is just my experience or perception, so maybe it is wrong, but I see more people starting threads or conversations about why the SEC isn't the best or "as good as people think" (whatever that means) than I see SEC fans bring up the superiority of the conference. Sure, people are going to defend the conference against stupid arguments (for example, "ooooh, we play one good game a year and you guys don't leave a 17 state area"). So again, keep bringing up the one game OOC and continue to throw all the other stipulations around that you want if it makes you feel better.
  
  As for Florida's schedule, there is really no reason to leave the south. Once again, if you take a look at the last 30 or so years, you're going to see multiple top five/top ten teams in nearly every season. Florida State finished in the top five for what, 17 straight years? That alone basically made their one "big" OOC game better than about 95% of the country's.
  
  I've done it before and there really isn't any reason to any more, but if you were honest and you looked up every conference's OOC schedules for at least the last three decades you would see that top-to-bottom (you are making it about the whole conference, not me) there isn't a whole hell of a lot of difference between any of the major conferences. The difference that you don't like is that there are more southern teams who are considered traditional powerhouses (or whatever term you'd like to use), so there's plenty of OOC games to go around in the region. Ohio State basically rules its region so if they want to find "worthy" OOC competition, they can either schedule Notre Dame (although that is really debatable) or go outside the Midwest. Kudos for them for their one big game a year, but it doesn't make them any better or more brave or whatever than any other team across the country (especially when you consider how they balance that one game with the three gimmes).
  
  As for your last point, I don't even really care if the SEC is "the best" or "the worst" or otherwise. You obviously can't stand it because you keep trying to find ways to diminish it. Oversigning isn't illegal. And as long as signees are straight on what could happen, I don't really give a shit. You are going to use a few disgruntled players' comments as fodder to call Alabama the evil empire, yet, when an OSU player speaks out about the wrongs there you'll immediately dismiss it because the player was just sour. There are plenty of ways that numbers/rosters sort themselves out and oversigning is a safety net (and it is within the rules). I don't condone lying to a recruit, but since neither you nor I were part of the recruiting process I'm not going to say that "Nick Saban promised this kid he'd (get this or that)" so that makes him a liar. A lot of kids have potential. A lot of kids don't reach that potential. That is on them, not the coach. Now when you can tell me what combination of impact players wouldn't have been on a particular team's roster to prove that oversigning was the key factor in a team's success, you might be onto something. In the meantime, you just continue to build that "whiner" reputation.
• karen lotz

  

  Although I didn't enjoy the dig at Notre Dame...
  
  PWN'd
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Wow...defensive much?
  
  I only raised the issue because I think it's a bit weird that a conference as strong as the SEC has members that rarely go outside a specific geographic area.
  
  Is there another BCS conference that plays it that consistently close to home out of conference?
  
  I'd guess there probably isn't.
  
  Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch...
• cats gone wild

  Well, considering most great teams are in the south......why would the SEC want to come up north to play the slow-old school teams? Btw, LSU just came way up north to Washington, coming north to WVU. Are those schools anywhere near LSU? The Mason Dixon line argument is ghey. Does it split this country right down the middle? No. If you are on the bottom half of the united states, you are in the south. Same with northern states. As I said earlier, I would love to see OSU play a schedule as brutal as LSU does. We got Oregon and WVU as OOC games. You guys have a Miami team who hasnt been good in 8 years.
• lhslep134

  

  enigmaax;799607 wrote:Hence the hilarity of "whinerbuckeye". The OOC schedule is the argument for you because you choose to isolate four games and then actually break it down even further to one game because that is the only way for you to deal with whatever inferiority you're trying to overcome. It is just my experience or perception, so maybe it is wrong, but I see more people starting threads or conversations about why the SEC isn't the best or "as good as people think" (whatever that means) than I see SEC fans bring up the superiority of the conference. Sure, people are going to defend the conference against stupid arguments (for example, "ooooh, we play one good game a year and you guys don't leave a 17 state area"). So again, keep bringing up the one game OOC and continue to throw all the other stipulations around that you want if it makes you feel better.
  
  As for Florida's schedule, there is really no reason to leave the south. Once again, if you take a look at the last 30 or so years, you're going to see multiple top five/top ten teams in nearly every season. Florida State finished in the top five for what, 17 straight years? That alone basically made their one "big" OOC game better than about 95% of the country's.
  
  I've done it before and there really isn't any reason to any more, but if you were honest and you looked up every conference's OOC schedules for at least the last three decades you would see that top-to-bottom (you are making it about the whole conference, not me) there isn't a whole hell of a lot of difference between any of the major conferences. The difference that you don't like is that there are more southern teams who are considered traditional powerhouses (or whatever term you'd like to use), so there's plenty of OOC games to go around in the region. Ohio State basically rules its region so if they want to find "worthy" OOC competition, they can either schedule Notre Dame (although that is really debatable) or go outside the Midwest. Kudos for them for their one big game a year, but it doesn't make them any better or more brave or whatever than any other team across the country (especially when you consider how they balance that one game with the three gimmes).
  
  As for your last point, I don't even really care if the SEC is "the best" or "the worst" or otherwise. You obviously can't stand it because you keep trying to find ways to diminish it. Oversigning isn't illegal. And as long as signees are straight on what could happen, I don't really give a ****. You are going to use a few disgruntled players' comments as fodder to call Alabama the evil empire, yet, when an OSU player speaks out about the wrongs there you'll immediately dismiss it because the player was just sour. There are plenty of ways that numbers/rosters sort themselves out and oversigning is a safety net (and it is within the rules). I don't condone lying to a recruit, but since neither you nor I were part of the recruiting process I'm not going to say that "Nick Saban promised this kid he'd (get this or that)" so that makes him a liar. A lot of kids have potential. A lot of kids don't reach that potential. That is on them, not the coach. Now when you can tell me what combination of impact players wouldn't have been on a particular team's roster to prove that oversigning was the key factor in a team's success, you might be onto something. In the meantime, you just continue to build that "whiner" reputation.

  
  Phenomenal post, I agree 100%
  
  +1
• sleeper

  

  SEC teams don't schedule tough OOC games in the north because they would lose 10 times out of 10 times. PSU is a perennial bottom feeder in the Big Ten, and they'll easily handle the SEC's best team. Just wait and see.
• sleeper

  

  Also, do I need to bring up the head to head record against the SEC, the bowl discrepancies, and the National Championship differences? The Big Ten is the better conference, a 5 year sample doesn't mean anything.
  
  And that's before you add Nebraska.
• KnightRyder

  

  sleeper;800756 wrote:Also, do I need to bring up the head to head record against the SEC, the bowl discrepancies, and the National Championship differences? The Big Ten is the better conference, a 5 year sample doesn't mean anything.
  
  And that's before you add Nebraska.

  
  do you mean the same nebraska that got waxed by washington in the holiday bowl?
• KnightRyder

  

  sleeper;800754 wrote:SEC teams don't schedule tough OOC games in the north because they would lose 10 times out of 10 times. PSU is a perennial bottom feeder in the Big Ten, and they'll easily handle the SEC's best team. Just wait and see.

  
  perennial bottom feeder in the Big Ten, didnt penn state win the big ten championship in 2005 and 2008?
• KnightRyder

  

  enigmaax;799392 wrote:Or if you read your posts.
  
  
  
  I don't follow recruiting all that closely, but know a little bit about Wilder. I had never really heard of anyone having him as the top player in the nation, but if you say so. Anyway, it isn't all that surprising to me that he chose about the only big name school who was recruiting him as a RB instead of for defense. And regardless of how un-elite FSU has been, they haven't been horrible so they will continue to have a lot of appeal to big name recruits.
  
  My thought about you and Mark Stoops was that most people don't spend a whole lot of time hating on other schools' assistant coaches. And most people don't use superlatives (you called him "the worst...in the country"). The exceptions I would think would only be if he formerly coached at "your" school and since I doubt you're an Arizona fan, that would leave Miami as the reasonable answer for you...but supposedly "your" team has never lost to Ohio State. Since I'm just hoping you aren't a Florida fan as a matter of personal preference, I'm trying to get something else to stick.

  
  actually i think i said he was the worst in the world. i never said i hated him,you said that. i feel he is not a top flight DC. i think he just rode his brothers coat tails to big time college football.
• sleeper

  

  KnightRyder;801088 wrote:do you mean the same nebraska that got waxed by washington in the holiday bowl?

  
  No I'm talking about Nebraska, the team that is 16-5 all time against the 2nd best conference in the country(the SEC).
• sleeper

  

  KnightRyder;801091 wrote:perennial bottom feeder in the Big Ten, didnt penn state win the big ten championship in 2005 and 2008?

  
  When you're the best conference in the country, any bottom feeder has a chance to jump up and grab the title. Anything can happen, its called conference parity, something that SEC fans should understand that strengthens the conference, not weakens it.
  
  Like I said, there's nothing wrong with being the second best conference in the country, the SEC should be proud of that.
• KnightRyder

  

  sleeper;801322 wrote:No I'm talking about Nebraska, the team that is 16-5 all time against the 2nd best conference in the country(the SEC).

  
  so you mean a different nebraska?
• KnightRyder

  

  sleeper;801329 wrote:When you're the best conference in the country, any bottom feeder has a chance to jump up and grab the title. Anything can happen, its called conference parity, something that SEC fans should understand that strengthens the conference, not weakens it.
  
  Like I said, there's nothing wrong with being the second best conference in the country, the SEC should be proud of that.

  
  you mean when your conference is so shitty that a cellar dweller can win the conference. you can call it parity , but really its just a conference of slow motion weak teams
• sleeper

  

  KnightRyder;801454 wrote:you mean when your conference is so ****ty that a cellar dweller can win the conference. you can call it parity , but really its just a conference of slow motion weak teams

  
  You just described Auburn, a team that is perennially terrible but just beat up on SEC play.
• sleeper

  

  KnightRyder;801446 wrote:so you mean a different nebraska?

  
  No I mean the Nebraska that would win the SEC 9 years out of 10, with the only exception being Flash in the pan U(aka Florida). How does it feel to root for a team that's only relevant one year then disappears? Still dreaming about Tim Tebow, a one man show plowing through the almighty SEC? Tim Tebow would have been broken in half within 2 games in the Big Ten, if he ever got a chance to even get off the bench.