Ohio State Got A #1 Vote In Final Coaches Poll....
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ou1980Just saw in PTI on ESPN....
Huge Buckeye fan, but this is ridiculous! -
vball10setwhy? looking at their body of work for entire season, I too feel that they're the #1 team---it's just my opinion, but a case can certainly be made for it
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Fly4Fun
I think a case can be made for Kansas or OSU.
A single elimination tournament does not produce the best team. It just shows which team got hot at the right time.
For whatever reason, America has fallen in love with a single elimination tournament. Personally, tournaments that have series, double elimination, pool play, heck even the BCS are all better at more accurately reflecting the quality of the team.
Single elimination tournaments create a lot of drama... but that's about it. -
Laley23
Thats fine as long as that guy didnt put UCONN 2, Butler 3, UK 4 and VCU 5 or something that based everything else off the tourney. -
sleeper
It brings up an interesting debate, but I do believe UCONN is the best team in the country. This isn't football, the best team is decided on the field, not by a bunch of ignorant poll voters. -
WebFire
So it's better to be hot at the wrong time?Fly4Fun;733723 wrote: A single elimination tournament does not produce the best team. It just shows which team got hot at the right time. -
Manhattan Buckeye
If you want the national championship, sure. But if Butler would have won would anyone have put them #1 in the country for going 6-0 in the tournament over OSU or Kansas that went 2-1? The poll is more or less meaningless, but to the extent it means something to someone the voters shouldn't feel constrained to take only the NCAA tournament into account. It is only a maximum of 6 games.WebFire;733900 wrote:So it's better to be hot at the wrong time? -
Fly4Fun
WebFire;733900 wrote:So it's better to be hot at the wrong time?
Look at basketball for example... a 6 games to win the tourny as opposed to a the 30ish or so in a season... so roughly only worth about 15% of their total games. are what counts and 1 bad game can ruin everything.
At least with a round robin, double elimination, tournament series, or pool play type environment there is the leeway of allowing at least 1 bad game.
But as far as your question... it's almost as if you are implying that the post season tournament is equal duration of the regular season... it's not. It's quite a bit shorter. So being hot for 6 games in the regular season won't mean as much. Therefore that point is off target. -
Manhattan BuckeyeJust read the article, this is more stupid:
"Connecticut received all the other 30 first-place votes. Butler finished second in the final poll followed by Kentucky. The other Final Four participant Virginia Commonwealth was sixth. Both the Bulldogs and Rams were unranked in the poll before the tournament."
Again, the poll is meaningless, but VCU at 6th and Butler at 2nd is a joke. That would be like the final college football poll putting all of the BCS bowl teams in the top 10, even if some of the teams (cough, from the Big East) weren't even ranked before the bowl season.
You can't make a poll out of 1/6th or 1/7th of the season - I'm using the word often but it is the definition of meaningless. -
Little Danny
UCONN was ranked in the top 25 before the BCS bowl game last year. Had they beaten Oklahoma, I am sure the voters would have given them a huge jump in the final polls into the top 10. UC was a top 10 team prior to the BCS Bowl Games the year before and after their losses still was ranked 12th or so.Manhattan Buckeye;733915 wrote:Just read the article, this is more stupid:
"Connecticut received all the other 30 first-place votes. Butler finished second in the final poll followed by Kentucky. The other Final Four participant Virginia Commonwealth was sixth. Both the Bulldogs and Rams were unranked in the poll before the tournament."
Again, the poll is meaningless, but VCU at 6th and Butler at 2nd is a joke. That would be like the final college football poll putting all of the BCS bowl teams in the top 10, even if some of the teams (cough, from the Big East) weren't even ranked before the bowl season.
You can't make a poll out of 1/6th or 1/7th of the season - I'm using the word often but it is the definition of meaningless.
The body of work argument does not work for me. Sure OSU looked great throughout the regular season and even their own conference tournament, but the fact of the matter there are a bunch of other teams who could say the same thing (Kansas, Duke, Pitt, San Diego State, etc.) -
Manhattan Buckeye'UCONN was ranked in the top 25 before the BCS bowl game last year. Had they beaten Oklahoma, I am sure the voters would have given them a huge jump in the final polls into the top 10."
Possibly, but they certainly didn't move up for LOSING, right?
There is no credible argument that Butler is the #2 team in the country, UK is #3, or VCU is #6. If fans of those teams get their jollies out of this poll fine, but it is still only taking into account 3 weekends out of a four month season. -
Little Danny
Manhattan Buckeye;733956 wrote:'UCONN was ranked in the top 25 before the BCS bowl game last year. Had they beaten Oklahoma, I am sure the voters would have given them a huge jump in the final polls into the top 10."
Possibly, but they certainly didn't move up for LOSING, right?
There is no credible argument that Butler is the #2 team in the country, UK is #3, or VCU is #6. If fans of those teams get their jollies out of this poll fine, but it is still only taking into account 3 weekends out of a four month season.
I understand you reasoning. Frankly, you are making the point the final coaches poll after the tournament is arbitrary and irrelevant. Frankly, I find polls in college basketball to be that way at all times of the year anyway. -
Manhattan Buckeye"Frankly, you are making the point the final coaches poll after the tournament is arbitrary and irrelevant."
Indeed, or at least that the poll is a poll of the NCAA tournament - but even then it doesn't make sense. Why would Butler be ranked ahead of Kentucky based on their performance in the tourney? Because Butler won one more game? Shouldn't their overall tournament performance mean more? Kentucky beat WVU, Ohio St., UNC and lost by one to UConn...that's better than Butler's tournament (particularly the godawful championship game). -
SportsAndLady
Have absolutely no problem with OSU receiving #1 votes...just because UCONN got hot at the end of the season doesn't mean they are the #1 team in America, which is what the poll is about. -
Jester
This.SportsAndLady;734010 wrote:Have absolutely no problem with OSU receiving #1 votes...just because UCONN got hot at the end of the season doesn't mean they are the #1 team in America, which is what the poll is about. -
ou1980It was the head coach of the University of Northern Arizona...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Why-one-coach-did-not-vote-Connecticut-No-1-in-?urn=ncaab-wp1916 -
wildcats20
ALL that needs to be said."I voted for who I thought was the best team in the country based on the entire body of work during the season," Adras said. "I believe it is Ohio State. I want to congratulate Connecticut for winning the NCAA tournament. They deserved it." -
SportsAndLady
Haha random as fuck
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killer_ewok
I like the fact that the championship is decided on the court. Uconn is the national champion and that was the goal of all of the top teams (and many other teams, I'm sure) since the beginning of the season.
There is no "March Madness" if they just vote and decide it that way. And what college basketball fan doesn't love the NCAA tourney? -
SportsAndLady
killer_ewok;734073 wrote:I like the fact that the championship is decided on the court. Uconn is the national champion and that was the goal of all of the top teams (and many other teams, I'm sure) since the beginning of the season.
There is no "March Madness" if they just vote and decide it that way. And what college basketball fan doesn't love the NCAA tourney?
What is your point in all of that? Everyone for the most part agrees with your post. But it doesn't really have anything to do with OSU receiving a #1 vote. -
krambman
Little Danny;733945 wrote:UCONN was ranked in the top 25 before the BCS bowl game last year. Had they beaten Oklahoma, I am sure the voters would have given them a huge jump in the final polls into the top 10. UC was a top 10 team prior to the BCS Bowl Games the year before and after their losses still was ranked 12th or so.
The body of work argument does not work for me. Sure OSU looked great throughout the regular season and even their own conference tournament, but the fact of the matter there are a bunch of other teams who could say the same thing (Kansas, Duke, Pitt, San Diego State, etc.)
This really all depends on your opinion of how one should vote in a poll. Does the poll reflect how good a team at the time the votes are cast? If it is simply evaluated on a week-to-week basis, with no consideration to the previous weeks, then you should vote based on a team's tournament finish. If you are voting based on the entire body of work, from November through April, then you can make a reasonable argument that at least OSU and Kansas both deserve to be ranked higher in the final poll than UConn. UConn finished better, but their entire body of work isn't as strong. If you vote based on the entire body of work you can't make any reasonable argument for putting Butler ahead of OSU or Kansas.
Now, each voter gets to vote on their own criteria, which is part of the problem with a poll. Some eight recent results more heavily than earlier game results. Some look at the entire body of work. When you look at the poll, at least up until the tournament, it is clear that the order is determined looking at the entire body of work, with some extra weight given to recent contests. The last poll clearly reflects very heavily on the tournament and not on the entire body of work. -
mallymal614Sometimes I wonder what is the point of a long regular season if one game can knock you out of the tourney?
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killer_ewok
SportsAndLady;734097 wrote:What is your point in all of that? Everyone for the most part agrees with your post. But it doesn't really have anything to do with OSU receiving a #1 vote.
A team that didn't win the NCAA tournament (which determines the national championship) received a 1st place vote in the final poll....
I think my post has a lot to do with that. I like March Madness and the current setup instead of votes being the main deciding factor in determining a national champion. That's all. -
Manhattan Buckeyekiller_ewok;734178 wrote:A team that didn't win the NCAA tournament (which determines the national championship) received a 1st place vote in the final poll....
I think my post has a lot to do with that. I like March Madness and the current setup instead of votes being the main deciding factor in determining a national champion. That's all.
Well, UConn did win the national championship, but to the extent there is a poll, why should voters feel constrained to look at only 3 weekends of the season? I wouldn't blame anyone for voting Ohio St. #1, look at Sagarin's final rankings:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt1011.htm
Do Butler or VCU even sniff the top 10? Of course not because neither is a top 10 team, they just got hot, and got a bit lucky at the right time. You can't take VCU's run away from them but they had help along the way, not having to play L'ville or Purdue/Notre Dame. They aren't the 6th best team in the country by any stretch of the imagination.