Herbstreit Moves to Nashville

• Writerbuckeye

  

  Fidmeister;711889 wrote:You saw him at a game because he's an alum and a huge fan.
  
  Anyone who questions his feelings on Ohio State should go back and look at the photo of him hopping on Eddie George when Prisoner #13MCOSB stripped Sean Taylor in the national title game.
  
  The problem is you guys want homer on the air, too. He can't do that so he tells the truth.
  
  Ask yourself, as critical as he could have been when Jim Tressel's three most high-profile players ran into off-the-field trouble, didn't he pretty much stay quiet?
  
  Also, cbf, you don't know that his wife and kids don't catch shit. They might have, they might not have. Very few people know for sure.

  
  Our objections have NOTHING to do with his feelings for OSU. See my post about how he has treated his own school much harsher and differently than any other during his years on the air.
• 2kool4skool

  

  OneBuckeye;711900 wrote:Then how do you legitimize rooting for ANY pro sports team?

  No one is questioning whether anyone should root for a team, college or pro. Rather pretending like being a fan gives you a personal stake in how an actual member of said team "represents" the school/team.
  
  I root for pro sports teams, but how they perform isn't of any real world consequence to me, outside of the enjoyment of watching them win obviously. I wouldn't get all personally offended about Bernie Kosar saying something bad about the Browns on TV because he's not "properly representing the Cleveland Browns as an alumnus of the team."
• 2kool4skool

  

  Writerbuckeye;711905 wrote:Your face palm is pure idiocy, just so you know

  Well thanks for telling me
  

  It doesn't matter one iota whether someone is an alum or simply likes to follow a team. Both give a FAN the right to comment on how a national "analyst" is portraying their favorite team.

  I guess everyone has a right to comment. I can't imagine why it would upset you one iota though.
  

  My complaint, and that of many others, is how he TREATS OSU as compared to other football programs. He has gone out of his way to say things about OSU and its players he has never, ever said about any other program. That shows a bias -- ironically from a man who tells us he is only being "objective" when he is critical of Ohio State.

  
  Perhaps he is simply more passionate about OSU and therefore his comments are harsher towards them? I don't really know, but I'm not going to tell a former QB of the team what his duty and proper opinion is as an alumnus. And it's certainly not justification for anyone to harass him, regardless of if they have a direct connection to OSU or not(though I'm guessing the nutcases who would do such a thing aren't educated at all.)
• karen lotz

  

  Writerbuckeye;711905 wrote:when he is critical of Ohio State.

  
  
  This is the problem you have with him. He isn't overly critical, but he can be critical at times. In your eyes, no one can be critical of anything OSU. What would you be saying if he was overly homerish and talked about OSU the way sleeper does? You would go out of your way to applaud him and say he is a great analyst.
• OneBuckeye

  

  karen lotz;711928 wrote:This is the problem you have with him. He isn't overly critical, but he can be critical at times. In your eyes, no one can be critical of anything OSU. What would you be saying if he was overly homerish and talked about OSU the way sleeper does? You would go out of your way to applaud him and say he is a great analyst.

  
  He is overly critical and goes out of his way to do so. This is the problem. Spielman, Bently, Kenny Rohda are all critical of OSU on their radio shows all the time. There is a big difference in what they do to what he does.
• queencitybuckeye

  Why do opinions bother people so much?
• vball10set

  queencitybuckeye;711952 wrote:Why do opinions bother people so much?

  
  because it's not what they believe...sad, isn't it?
• queencitybuckeye

  vball10set;711963 wrote:because it's not what they believe...sad, isn't it?

  
  That one would take it as seriously as some seem to do is extremely sad. Pathetic, really.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  karen lotz;711928 wrote:This is the problem you have with him. He isn't overly critical, but he can be critical at times. In your eyes, no one can be critical of anything OSU. What would you be saying if he was overly homerish and talked about OSU the way sleeper does? You would go out of your way to applaud him and say he is a great analyst.

  
  You must have a reading problem, too. Go back and read what I posted earlier about his comments and actions related to OSU.
  
  When he says things about OSU that he has never said about any other program, or specifically calls out and targets a player for OSU, when he has never done a similar thing with any other player -- it goes beyond simply being critical.
  
  I have no problem with someone criticizing OSU if it's done in the same manner as any other program is criticized. For example: Clark Kellogg and Chris Spielman have certainly been critical of Ohio State on numerous occasions (whether talking about how they played, play calls, whatever). But they've never said things about Ohio State that they haven't said about other programs.
  
  That is the key difference.
• OneBuckeye

  

  queencitybuckeye;711952 wrote:Why do opinions bother people so much?

  queencitybuckeye;711969 wrote:That one would take it as seriously as some seem to do is extremely sad. Pathetic, really.

  
  Herbie takes his opinion too seriously because he quarrels with the people who criticize him. He just can't ignore them like everyone else who has people who don't like him.
• queencitybuckeye

  OneBuckeye;711999 wrote:Herbie takes his opinion too seriously because he quarrels with the people who criticize him. He just can't ignore them like everyone else who has people who don't like him.

  
  I would doubt that someone would sell their house and move out of state merely because someone disagrees with their opinion. I would guess that it's more in the way (and to whom) such dissenting opinion is expressed.
• ytownfootball

  

  The problem people have with Herbie isn't necessarily what he says rather it's the size of his soapbox. He's overly critical for an alumni and having such a large audience.
• Ankle Breaker

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;709008 wrote:People are stupid. By any non- biased pov Nashville is entirely better than Columbus. Growing city, NFL team, great music venues, no income tax, far better weather, excellent public and private schools, good airport, great hospitals and relatively low cost of living. Do people really care where he lives? If so, pathetic.

  
  A lot of good points here. My daughter has lived in Nashville for several years and we spend a lot of time there. Great place to live for many of the reasons you mention. But the sales tax on everything is almost 10% on anything you buy except for one weekend/yr when everything is tax free. That's when many things such as cars are sold in Tennessee.
  
  It is well known that "celebrities" can walk around Cashville and not be bothered by the locals. Many of these are country music stars. If they are seen at the local restaurants, malls etc., they are treated no different than other normal folk, for the most part. This might have attracted Herbie and I'd guess that Eddie George has had some influence on him as well.
  
  So, yeah, good for Herbie.
• Fidmeister

  Writerbuckeye;711907 wrote:Our objections have NOTHING to do with his feelings for OSU. See my post about how he has treated his own school much harsher and differently than any other during his years on the air.

  
  You say overly critical. Most of the entire nation says realist.
  
  You expect him to wear a scarlet and gray suit on the air when Ohio State plays (Clark Kellogg) or be direct about his admiration for all things Buckeye (Spielman). ESPN, who pays him to be its lead college football analyst, expects him to be unbiased. To me, that's what he does.
  
  It comes from being touchy whenever anyone criticizes Ohio State football, even with facts.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Fidmeister;712356 wrote:You say overly critical. Most of the entire nation says realist.
  
  You expect him to wear a scarlet and gray suit on the air when Ohio State plays (Clark Kellogg) or be direct about his admiration for all things Buckeye (Spielman). ESPN, who pays him to be its lead college football analyst, expects him to be unbiased. To me, that's what he does.
  
  It comes from being touchy whenever anyone criticizes Ohio State football, even with facts.

  
  Keep trying to twist what I'm saying -- it's not working.
  
  He brought this grief on himself by using two different standards when doing his "analysis" and probably thought he could say things about OSU he wouldn't dare say about any other school -- because it was OSU, and nobody would call him on it.
  
  He was wrong.
• Fidmeister

  Writerbuckeye;712421 wrote:Keep trying to twist what I'm saying -- it's not working.
  
  He brought this grief on himself by using two different standards when doing his "analysis" and probably thought he could say things about OSU he wouldn't dare say about any other school -- because it was OSU, and nobody would call him on it.
  
  He was wrong.

  
  We disagree. A lot of you are touchy no matter what negative is said about Ohio State. There is a belief that because he's a major national analyst that he should let his homer shine through rather than be honest, which is what he is paid to do.
  
  I don't think he's harder on Ohio State than anyone else. Perhaps Ohio State should be concerned with giving analysts like him fewer opportunities to be critical.
  
  We will have to agree to disagree.
  
  He shouldn't have to deal with any of the grief you talk about, nor should his family.
• mella

  Congrats for him and his family. Good city, good weather.
• ytownfootball

  

  I don't understand how you can possibly think that dropping Ohio State from 7th to 9th in the final poll following a win against Arkansas isn't being "overly critical" It's quite laughable to the point of you simply showing bias against OSU. That's fine, just come out and say it I'll certainly at least respect that, not recognizing flat out bullshit....not so much.
  
  ...and spare me the "making a statement about Pryor playing in the bowl game" nonsense. He has plenty of opportunity to voice those thoughts given his platform, voting on field results isn't the forum and you know it.
• Fidmeister

  ytownfootball;712465 wrote:I don't understand how you can possibly think that dropping Ohio State from 7th to 9th in the final poll following a win against Arkansas isn't being "overly critical" It's quite laughable to the point of you simply showing bias against OSU. That's fine, just come out and say it I'll certainly at least respect that, not recognizing flat out bullshit....not so much.
  
  ...and spare me the "making a statement about Pryor playing in the bowl game" nonsense. He has plenty of opportunity to voice those thoughts given his platform, voting on field results isn't the forum and you know it.

  
  Dropping them in the poll? What did it cost them again? IMO, you all are making too much out of a vote. When you get this offended because of where someone voted a team, perhaps that's proof we should just say fuck it and go to a playoff.
• rydawg5

  Fidmeister;712495 wrote:Dropping them in the poll? What did it cost them again? IMO, you all are making too much out of a vote. When you get this offended because of where someone voted a team, perhaps that's proof we should just say fuck it and go to a playoff.

  
  Not that I care too much, but it was obviously overly critical. They don't have to "lose" anything for something to be overly critical. Shades a gray, buddy, you should google what it means. You are very black or white.
• enigmaax

  ytownfootball;712465 wrote:I don't understand how you can possibly think that dropping Ohio State from 7th to 9th in the final poll following a win against Arkansas isn't being "overly critical" It's quite laughable to the point of you simply showing bias against OSU. That's fine, just come out and say it I'll certainly at least respect that, not recognizing flat out bullshit....not so much.
  
  ...and spare me the "making a statement about Pryor playing in the bowl game" nonsense. He has plenty of opportunity to voice those thoughts given his platform, voting on field results isn't the forum and you know it.

  
  Do you know who he moved above them? I assume Alabama was one of them and after they destroyed one of Ohio State's conference title buddies, there's at least some groundwork for that. Bama had also beaten Arkansas by a similar margin compared to OSU. Not saying I agree with him, but it isn't a travesty of any sorts (3 other people also had Alabama above Ohio State). Maybe the other one was LSU (three other people had LSU ahead of OSU, as well)? Again, don't necessarily agree, but they also had a sound victory in a bowl game. It isn't as though he moved up teams that lost.
• ytownfootball

  

  enigmaax;712583 wrote:Do you know who he moved above them? I assume Alabama was one of them and after they destroyed one of Ohio State's conference title buddies, there's at least some groundwork for that. Bama had also beaten Arkansas by a similar margin compared to OSU. Not saying I agree with him, but it isn't a travesty of any sorts (3 other people also had Alabama above Ohio State). Maybe the other one was LSU (three other people had LSU ahead of OSU, as well)? Again, don't necessarily agree, but they also had a sound victory in a bowl game. It isn't as though he moved up teams that lost.

  
  There isn't solid enough reasoning or objectivity behind your explanation to overcome the thoughts and belief of alumni and boosters. As an alumni himself, he's certainly all to aware of the way things would turn out if he took this route. Just to be clear, I don't have issue with him moving at all, people do it for lesser reasons all the time. I do understand though why people get on his case, he deserves the criticism as much as the Buckeyes deserve theirs on occasion. He appears as Benedict Arnold to a lot of alumni, his pendulum doesn't swing both ways.
  
  All that said, he's still a Buckeye and his loyalty shines through during the '02 title game climbing Eddie Georges back when off camera (so he thought). I don't like what he says a lot of the times myself but I know where his heart is , I think.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Fidmeister: We disagree. A lot of you are touchy no matter what negative is said about Ohio State. (Not relevant to this discussion and I've already stated I don't mind balanced criticism) There is a belief that because he's a major national analyst that he should let his homer shine through rather than be honest, which is what he is paid to do. (I haven't seen one OSU person say he should be a homer. Not one. This is an argument anti-OSU people use and it's laughable).
  
  I don't think he's harder on Ohio State than anyone else. Perhaps Ohio State should be concerned with giving analysts like him fewer opportunities to be critical.(See my examples and show me where he's done that with any other team. I'll wait, but you won't find any. It was ONLY OSU he took those kinds of liberties with.) (Your last comment is a shot from someone who dislikes OSU, which basically kills your credibility in this discussion, and it was done by your own hand.)
  
  We will have to agree to disagree.
  
  He shouldn't have to deal with any of the grief you talk about, nor should his family. (His family, no. But he's a big boy now and he gets paid millions to give his opinion; and if you're opinionated, you should be able to take any "grief" you get for giving that opinion.)
• OneBuckeye

  

  queencitybuckeye;712029 wrote:I would doubt that someone would sell their house and move out of state merely because someone disagrees with their opinion. I would guess that it's more in the way (and to whom) such dissenting opinion is expressed.

  
  There is no way he is getting harrassed in columbus enough to warrent moving. He is just using it as an excuse. I don't blame him for moving, but just say you are moving because you like nashville. Don't blame the fans you quarrel with on twitter as the excuse.
• LJ

  

  enigmaax;712583 wrote:Do you know who he moved above them? I assume Alabama was one of them and after they destroyed one of Ohio State's conference title buddies, there's at least some groundwork for that. Bama had also beaten Arkansas by a similar margin compared to OSU. Not saying I agree with him, but it isn't a travesty of any sorts (3 other people also had Alabama above Ohio State). Maybe the other one was LSU (three other people had LSU ahead of OSU, as well)? Again, don't necessarily agree, but they also had a sound victory in a bowl game. It isn't as though he moved up teams that lost.

  His explanation to why he had OSU 9th "I was really tired when I filled out my ballot"
  
  Yeah OK :rolleyes: