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Herbstreit Moves to Nashville

  • Writerbuckeye
    Pick6;711235 wrote:You don't think some the stuff he does or says isn't over board? He is one of the biggest critics of osu, which I think criticizing is okay to a certain point. But when you do things like move your alma mater from 7 to 9 after BEATING THE #2 TEAM FROM THE BEST CONFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY..it seems a little out of line. Usually people support the school that they attended.

    It goes beyond that.

    He says things about OSU and its players he NEVER says about any other program. He denigrates the team and players in ways he NEVER does with any other program. He moved a ranked OSU team down in the ratings after winning a BCS game -- something he has NEVER done to any other team.

    That's not being objective and unbiased. That's being provocative and meant to get a reaction.

    Well guess what? He got one.

    Now he's pissing and moaning about it.
  • 2kool4skool
    Pick6;711137 wrote:what does not having to go to osu have to do with anything?

    Because you're nitpicking him for "not properly representing" something you have absolutely nothing to do with.
  • OneBuckeye
    Writerbuckeye;709854 wrote:I could care less where Herbstreit decides to live -- but his misfortunes, for the most part, can be laid at his own feet.

    No, I don't condone people threatening him or his family. Not ever. Those folks belong in jail or a mental ward.

    But Herbstreit has always tried to play off the fan animosity toward him as being a minority of folks who don't have the intellect to know better.

    When the fact is MOST Ohio State fans are pretty bright folks and understand football...and don't have a clue why he continues to say things about Ohio State, its players and program he would NEVER EVER say about any other program in college football.

    No, it's not about being objective...it's about being FAIR.

    When he drops another top 10 team several places after WINNING its bowl game against a favored opponent, it will be a first.

    When he says another good offensive player should not go play for a certain major program because of its offensive scheme, it will be a first.

    When he calls out the QB of a top 10 program and says they would be better off without him, and basically gets into a public pissing match with him, it will be a first.

    All of these things he did with Ohio State (and Pryor), but has never come close to doing with any other program.

    Then you factor in his silence over the last three quarters of the Alamo Bowl when the ESPN announcers were calling for JT and Andy Geiger to be fired because of all the program "violations" that were happening at OSU related to Clarret (no program violations were ever cited), and he wonders why intelligent, long-standing Ohio State fans (many of whom used to admire him as a representative of the university) want nothing more to do with him?

    Again, he brought a lot of this misery (sans the crazies) on himself.

    And as a resident of Columbus, I honestly could care less if he lives here. There are far better representatives of Ohio State that remain here, not the least of whom is Clark Kellogg -- someone who does the same job Herbstreit does and does it objectively, with honor, class and dignity.
    centralbucksfan;709964 wrote:Bingo..we have a winner! Herbie needs to learn to have some thicker skin. If you can't take the heat..find another job.
    centralbucksfan;709987 wrote:And how do you know this? YOu don't. Stop making shit up. Herbie shoulda just moved, and kept his mouth shut about any "MINOR" issues...as he even stated. Hell, this has now turned into a national story because he was running his yap. And as mentioned, Clark Kellogg and many other Buckeyes who do radio and TV such as Chris Spielman live in Cbus to this day. If it was so bad, I wonder why I saw him at OSU bball game vs Wisky yucking it up with fans and his buddies. Herbie is a primadonna.
    Writerbuckeye;711245 wrote:It goes beyond that.

    He says things about OSU and its players he NEVER says about any other program. He denigrates the team and players in ways he NEVER does with any other program. He moved a ranked OSU team down in the ratings after winning a BCS game -- something he has NEVER done to any other team.
    That's not being objective and unbiased. That's being provocative and meant to get a reaction.

    Well guess what? He got one.

    Now he's pissing and moaning about it.
    Thank you for articulating the issues tOSU alums have with Ohio State. I am alum and I also represented Ohio State while I was in school just not in athletics. That said if I met Herbie I would treat him with respect and like a fellow buckeye.
  • bigkahuna
    Like someone else said, having the house on the market doesn't mean anything.

    He could have been moving back to Centerville, Dublin, Conn,............

    Being critical of something that someone says in one thing, but harassment is something entirely different.
  • Writerbuckeye
    OneBuckeye;711415 wrote:Thank you for articulating the issues tOSU alums have with Ohio State. I am alum and I also represented Ohio State while I was in school just not in athletics. That said if I met Herbie I would treat him with respect and like a fellow buckeye.

    You lost me. I'm no alum, but have a problem with how Herbstreit treats OSU in the national spotlight compared to other schools. While I'd never do anything like harass him, I'd certainly not go out of my way to show him any respect.
  • 2kool4skool
    Writerbuckeye;711705 wrote: I'm no alum

  • lhslep134
    I talked to Herbie briefly before the OSU-USC game last year. We were in the pressbox and being one of only a few students in there, we were in line for City BBQ and I talked to him for a couple minutes. He was extremely nice and seemed genuinely interested in how the student sports radio was doing. Nice guy. Personally, if he wants to vote us from #7 to #9, who cares? One vote isn't enough to change the polls significantly, and really what the hell is the difference between finishing #7 and #9 if we finally beat an SEC team? On top of that, everytime his kids are on gameday they're sporting OSU gear.

    I'm not surprised at the harassment, but I also think any other major fanbase would say the same sort of things (that minority opinion) if they were in a identical (relative of course) situation.
  • Pick6
    lhslep134;711746 wrote:
    I'm not surprised at the harassment, but I also think any other major fanbase would say the same sort of things (that minority opinion) if there were in a identical (relative of course) situation.
    exactly, which is why i dont think it matters if some of us go/went to OSU or not. It would be the same at any other university.
  • lhslep134
    Also, I never understood the "you have to be an alumni to have an opinion argument". Okay yes, I go to OSU and I was blessed to be able to broadcast, so maybe I'll have a deeper connection to the school, but being an alumni has no bearing on either my intelligence in regards to sports or my credibility. If someone claims to be an OSU fan and attended Akron, but have proven to be knowledgeable, am I suddenly supposed to just disregard what they said because they didn't go to OSU?

    That and the "you're from here so you can't root for there" argument are the 2 "arguments" that absolutely blow my mind in terms of ignorance. (I know you guys already know my feeling on fandom. The only fans I hate are true frontrunners)
  • OneBuckeye
    lhslep134;711757 wrote:Also, I never understood the "you have to be an alumni to have an opinion argument". Okay yes, I go to OSU and I was blessed to be able to broadcast, so maybe I'll have a deeper connection to the school, but being an alumni has no bearing on either my intelligence in regards to sports or my credibility. If someone claims to be an OSU fan and attended Akron, but have proven to be knowledgeable, am I suddenly supposed to just disregard what they said because they didn't go to OSU?

    That and the "you're from here so you can't root for there" argument are the 2 "arguments" that absolutely blow my mind in terms of ignorance. (I know you guys already know my feeling on fandom. The only fans I hate are true frontrunners)

    +1
  • 2kool4skool
    No one is saying you're not intelligent if you don't go go OSU(well, sleeper might.) Just that it's really weird to get upset about an actual alumnus not properly representing a school/team that you have absolutely zero real connection with.
  • lhslep134
    2kool4skool;711787 wrote: zero real connection with.

    What does that even mean? Is being a fan not a connection? Is being a fan not real life?

    I for one don't consider myself any better a fan just because I go to OSU. I think that superiority thinking is extremely arrogant and narrowminded.
  • Pick6
    2kool4skool;711787 wrote:No one is saying you're not intelligent if you don't go go OSU(well, sleeper might.) Just that it's really weird to get upset about an actual alumnus not properly representing a school/team that you have absolutely zero real connection with.

    I know people who graduated there, I know people who attend there, I had a relative who played football there.I paid a lot of money to go see OSU play in the Rose Bowl in 2010 (something the majority of alumni/current students didnt do. Paid top dollar to see the football team play teams like Miami (FL) and the basketball team play the likes of Michigan State. I've also been a fan of Ohio State as long as I can remember. Just because I dont attend there, doesnt make me any less knowledgeable about what goes on.
  • 2kool4skool
    lhslep134;711799 wrote:What does that even mean? Is being a fan not a connection? Is being a fan not real life?
    Randomly choosing to root for a university doesn't give you any real stake in how the school is portrayed, no.

    I'm a big fan of McDonald's, I've paid lots of money to eat there. But if a former employee said he loved working for McDonald's but didn't think the current product was that great in an interview, I wouldn't get upset about him "not properly representing the company." I enjoy the product that's put out, but it's standing in the public light has zero effect on me.
    Pick6;711805 wrote:I know people who graduated there, I know people who attend there, I had a relative who played football there.I paid a lot of money to go see OSU play in the Rose Bowl in 2010 (something the majority of alumni/current students didnt do. Paid top dollar to see the football team play teams like Miami (FL) and the basketball team play the likes of Michigan State. I've also been a fan of Ohio State as long as I can remember. Just because I dont attend there, doesnt make me any less knowledgeable about what goes on.

    No one is saying it makes you less knowledgeable. I don't know where you keep getting that from.
  • lhslep134
    2kool4skool;711814 wrote:Randomly choosing to root for a university

    This is where you lost me. I don't know anyone who "randomly" roots for a school. Maybe you find the team they root for to be "random" in your mind, but I'm sure they have a reason for it. Even if it was truly random, it most likely happened when they were younger and have since developed a fondness for that team that no longer makes them "random".
  • 2kool4skool
    lhslep134;711826 wrote:This is where you lost me. I don't know anyone who "randomly" roots for a school. Maybe you find the team they root for to be "random" in your mind, but I'm sure they have a reason for it. Even if it was truly random, it most likely happened when they were younger and have since developed a fondness for that team that no longer makes them "random".

    That was hardly the point of the post. But if it makes you feel more comfortable I'll change it to, "rooting for a school you have no firsthand connection to."

    I have no problem with people being big fans of OSU if they didn't go there. But it ventures into the creepy category when you fly off the handle about an alumnus "not properly representing" a university you don't have a direct connection to.
  • FatHobbit
    2kool4skool;711833 wrote: But it ventures into the creepy category when you fly off the handle about an alumnus "not properly representing" a university you don't have a direct connection to.

    Is it any different if you change it to the following?
    2kool4skool;711833 wrote: But it ventures into the creepy category when you fly off the handle about an alumnus "not properly representing" a team you don't have a direct connection to.
    People get upset about all kinds of random things. I don't think anyone thinks Herbie's family should be harassed. They just don't like how he tries to be so balanced he takes unnecessary shots at OSU.
  • lhslep134
    2kool4skool;711833 wrote: But it ventures into the creepy category when you fly off the handle about an alumnus "not properly representing" a university you don't have a direct connection to.

    Does it? Or can any logical and cognizant person make the determination of someone not properly representing something? Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying, I just disagree.

    I can tell you that Bruce Pearl surely didn't properly represent Tennessee when he committed violations. I guess it's definitely a different issue when you're talking about a figurehead working at the school and someone who is in the media, but at the same time I still don't see the problem as long as the person giving the argument can back it up. The problem ON HERE is that people just say things without anything to really back them up (but hey, what are messaging boards for?).
  • 2kool4skool
    lhslep134;711850 wrote:Does it? Or can any logical and cognizant person make the determination of someone not properly representing something?
    You can make the determination, but if you get personally upset about it then it's weird. Back to the earlier example, I can tell that a McDonald's employee saying bad things about the company is not the best thing for them, but if I fly off the handle about it because I'm a fan of their cheeseburgers and I feel like that's given me some personal investment in the company, I need to be institutionalized.

    No one is questioning the ability of non-OSU graduates to be rational, intelligent human beings, but there's a large group of them that have a disturbed vision of their personal stake in the team.
    I can tell you that Bruce Pearl surely didn't properly represent Tennessee when he committed violations. I guess it's definitely a different issue when you're talking about a figurehead working at the school and someone who is in the media,
    Correct. Which brings to mind how incredibly weird it is that Tressell isn't being chased out of town. What he's done to the standing of the university in the national opinion is somewhere between 10,000 and 1 billion times worse than Herbstreit being "overly objective" on Gameday. And he has a REAL obligation to the university, not a mythical one constructed by people who think they know what an alumnus' duty is. I could far better understand vitriol for him than Herbstreit.
  • FatHobbit
    2kool4skool;711863 wrote:I could far better understand vitriol for him than Herbstreit.

    Herbie never beat michigan :)
  • Pick6
    2kool4skool;711863 wrote: No one is questioning the ability of non-OSU graduates to be rational, intelligent human beings, but there's a large group of them that have a disturbed vision of their personal stake in the team.
    I'd actually venture to say I have a higher direct personal stake in OSU athletics than many of the students. I've spent who knows how much on Buckeye merchandise and tickets. Believe it or not, a lot of the students who chose to attend OSU couldn't give a shit about athletics, they are there for academics. Sure maybe a small chunk of their tuition dollar is used for the athletic department, but I'd bet I've invested more directly into some of the sports programs than many of the students.
  • lhslep134
    2kool, valid counterpoint. I guess I wasn't really seeing where people were getting crazily emotionally invested, but then again that's also something I consider part of being a fan lol.
  • Fidmeister
    centralbucksfan;709987 wrote:And how do you know this? YOu don't. Stop making shit up. Herbie shoulda just moved, and kept his mouth shut about any "MINOR" issues...as he even stated. Hell, this has now turned into a national story because he was running his yap. And as mentioned, Clark Kellogg and many other Buckeyes who do radio and TV such as Chris Spielman live in Cbus to this day. If it was so bad, I wonder why I saw him at OSU bball game vs Wisky yucking it up with fans and his buddies. Herbie is a primadonna.

    You saw him at a game because he's an alum and a huge fan.

    Anyone who questions his feelings on Ohio State should go back and look at the photo of him hopping on Eddie George when Prisoner #13MCOSB stripped Sean Taylor in the national title game.

    The problem is you guys want homer on the air, too. He can't do that so he tells the truth.

    Ask yourself, as critical as he could have been when Jim Tressel's three most high-profile players ran into off-the-field trouble, didn't he pretty much stay quiet?

    Also, cbf, you don't know that his wife and kids don't catch shit. They might have, they might not have. Very few people know for sure.
  • OneBuckeye
    2kool4skool;711814 wrote:Randomly choosing to root for a university doesn't give you any real stake in how the school is portrayed, no.

    Then how do you legitimize rooting for ANY pro sports team?
  • Writerbuckeye
    2kool4skool;711787 wrote:No one is saying you're not intelligent if you don't go go OSU(well, sleeper might.) Just that it's really weird to get upset about an actual alumnus not properly representing a school/team that you have absolutely zero real connection with.

    Your face palm is pure idiocy, just so you know. It doesn't matter one iota whether someone is an alum or simply likes to follow a team. Both give a FAN the right to comment on how a national "analyst" is portraying their favorite team.

    My complaint, and that of many others, is how he TREATS OSU as compared to other football programs. He has gone out of his way to say things about OSU and its players he has never, ever said about any other program. That shows a bias -- ironically from a man who tells us he is only being "objective" when he is critical of Ohio State.