All-Big Ten Teams Are Annouced

• bucks36

  

  Prescott;703436 wrote:Matta's team won the league by TWO games. Matta and Painter both did great jobs, but Matta won. He should have been the COY.

  
  Love Thad Matta but don't agree with this. I think Painter is a good choice because of what they had to overcome. If the coach of the year is automatically given to the league champs, why even have the award?
• bucks36

  

  wkfan;703380 wrote:a couple of thoughts from my pee brain.....
  
  1. I don't have much of an issue with painter being COY. Losing Hummel and still finishing 2nd in the cofnference is quite an accomplishment. I'm sure that Matta was a close 2nd.
  
  2. I do not understand why the guy who was Big Twn player of the week for more than 50% of the weeks is not POY. I think Johnson is good...but comeon...
  
  3. Giving awards to seniors over underclassmen given #2 above is turning the award into a lifetime achievement award. If that is how it is to be awarded...change the name to SOY (Senior of the Year). I feel the same with something I heard from the 'experts' that the National POY should go to the best player on the best team. if that is the case, re-name the award.

  
  Agree with #1. Don't agree with #2. I would have given Johnson POY (but not DPOY!!) Agree with #3. I hate when analysts say the POY should go to the best player on the best team.......stupid logic.
• ytownfootball

  

  bucks36;703836 wrote:Love Thad Matta but don't agree with this. I think Painter is a good choice because of what they had to overcome. If the coach of the year is automatically given to the league champs, why even have the award?

  
  Uhhh, yeah, kinda...but sometimes you have to give it to the champ. How ridiculous is it that Jim Tressel has NEVER won coach of the year in the Big 10?
• Footwedge

  Lemme see....OSU is the number one team in the country....won the conference by 2 games......and the coach does not win coach of the year? I think the Penn State coach did a better job than Painter. Last year, Penn State was 0 fer 77 in conference games.
• wildcats20

  

  Footwedge;703845 wrote:Lemme see....OSU is the number one team in the country....won the conference by 2 games......and the coach does not win coach of the year? I think the Penn State coach did a better job than Painter. Last year, Penn State was 0 fer 77 in conference games.

  
  Except they won 3 games.
• Prescott

  Love Thad Matta but don't agree with this. I think Painter is a good choice because of what they had to overcome.

  Matta had to replace the NPOY
  Matta had to convince his returning players that the offense had to run through a freshman
  Matta had to make sure that a returning senior who was losing major minutes did not becaome a cancer
  Matta had to put his faith into a freshman PG, who was only signed when Bruce Pearl got into trouble
  
  Matta did all of this and won the league by two games. OUTSTANDING!!!
• mallymal614

  Prescott;703859 wrote:Matta had to replace the NPOY
  Matta had to convince his returning players that the offense had to run through a freshman
  Matta had to make sure that a returning senior who was losing major minutes did not becaome a cancer
  Matta had to put his faith into a freshman PG, who was only signed when Bruce Pearl got into trouble
  
  Matta did all of this and won the league by two games. OUTSTANDING!!!

  
  This
  
  Someone answer this. What's the bigger loss, Evan Turner or Robbie Hummel? The defense rest it's case.
• CinciX12

  

  Prescott;703436 wrote:Matta's team won the league by TWO games. Matta and Painter both did great jobs, but Matta won. He should have been the COY.

  
  Logic and reality miss you. They tell me you haven't visited them in so long.
• CinciX12

  

  mallymal614;704231 wrote:This
  
  Someone answer this. What's the bigger loss, Evan Turner or Robbie Hummel? The defense rest it's case.

  
  Replacing Dallas Lauderdale with a potential player of the year candidate isn't exactly a negative for Matta. That is what everyone is going to look at. Matta lost Turner which is a big loss obviously, but he kept Diebler who played well all year, had Lighty still, added a very good point guard, still had an excellent outside guy in Bufford, and oh yeah added a player of the year candidate. He did a good job, no one can deny that. But remember when Hummel went down and we never expected to see Purdue back in the top 25 all season? They flirted at around 10 all year. Doesn't get much better than what Matt Painter did at Purdue. And that shouldn't be and I don't think is a knock against Matta.
  
  And I'm partially biased and wanted Matta to win it. It would have been pretty awesome to have an A10 COY, Pac-10 COY, and Big 10 COY all from Xavier at one point in their careers.
• Ankle Breaker

  

  Craft really got screwed on DPOY. He has no rival in the Big 10 - even better than Lighty IMO and that's saying something. Johnson is probably the third best defender in the league. All other awards are at least debatable - even though Matta has a strong case for COY. But DPOY to Johnson is a joke.
• Laley23

  

  mallymal614;704231 wrote:This
  
  Someone answer this. What's the bigger loss, Evan Turner or Robbie Hummel? The defense rest it's case.

  
  Whats harder, replacing minutes of Turner with Sully and Craft or Hummels minutes with Patrick Bade? Case re-opened.
• Laley23

  

  Prescott;703859 wrote:Matta had to replace the NPOY
  Matta had to convince his returning players that the offense had to run through a freshman
  Matta had to make sure that a returning senior who was losing major minutes did not becaome a cancer
  Matta had to put his faith into a freshman PG, who was only signed when Bruce Pearl got into trouble
  
  Matta did all of this and won the league by two games. OUTSTANDING!!!

  
  The only thing that is a certain, is your first point. And like I responded to earlier, he replaced him with Sullinger. Painter replaced Hummel with Bade, Carroll, Terone Johnson etc.
  
  I doubt its that hard to tell a team without a PG, that the only PG on the team is going to run the offense. I mean, really? And Lauderdale becoming a cancer? lol, why would he suddenly become a cancer? I bet he is just happy he is on the team.
  
  I have no clue what the last part is even supposed to mean. If Matta didnt have faith in Craft he wouldnt have offered him a scholarship. What does the Pearl situation have to do with Mattas faith in the player?
• sleeper

  

  Laley23;704573 wrote:Whats harder, replacing minutes of Turner with Sully and Craft or Hummels minutes with Patrick Bade? Case re-opened.

  
  Who recruited Sully and Craft? Case closed.
• Laley23

  

  sleeper;704589 wrote:Who recruited Sully and Craft? Case closed.

  
  Has nothng to do with coach of the year lol.
• centralbucksfan

  Laley23;704576 wrote:The only thing that is a certain, is your first point. And like I responded to earlier, he replaced him with Sullinger. Painter replaced Hummel with Bade, Carroll, Terone Johnson etc.
  
  I doubt its that hard to tell a team without a PG, that the only PG on the team is going to run the offense. I mean, really? And Lauderdale becoming a cancer? lol, why would he suddenly become a cancer? I bet he is just happy he is on the team.
  
  I have no clue what the last part is even supposed to mean. If Matta didnt have faith in Craft he wouldnt have offered him a scholarship. What does the Pearl situation have to do with Mattas faith in the player?

  
  You act as if replacing the POY with a TRUE freshman is easy? There is still something to it. He has to put the pieces of the puzzle together, sell upper classman that we need to get the ball to a freshman, and mesh it all together. And he did just that, and THEN some! If someone had told you OSU would be 29-2, #1 in the country before he season...would you have bought into that? Painter did a great job as well. But he also had two VERY good players, both SENIORS returning. And the other guys on the team aren't too shabby either BTW. I believe he has had some pretty good recuiting classes. Last year, when losing Hummel during the season...then going to sweet 16..I thought he did tremendous job. This year, they had time to adjust as the year went on. Both did a great job. But call me a homer if you choose...but when you look at the entire body of work from day one...I would choose Matta.
• Laley23

  

  centralbucksfan;704917 wrote:You act as if replacing the POY with a TRUE freshman is easy? There is still something to it. He has to put the pieces of the puzzle together, sell upper classman that we need to get the ball to a freshman, and mesh it all together. And he did just that, and THEN some! If someone had told you OSU would be 29-2, #1 in the country before he season...would you have bought into that? Painter did a great job as well. But he also had two VERY good players, both SENIORS returning. And the other guys on the team aren't too shabby either BTW. I believe he has had some pretty good recuiting classes. Last year, when losing Hummel during the season...then going to sweet 16..I thought he did tremendous job. This year, they had time to adjust as the year went on. Both did a great job. But call me a homer if you choose...but when you look at the entire body of work from day one...I would choose Matta.

  
  Never said it was easy. But Sullinger was the #1 recruit in the country. We all knew he had a ton of talent. Guys replacing Hummel (Carroll, a FR...Bade, a SO who is just not good lol...Byrd, a SO if you want to call him a Forward...Johnson, a FR not Hummels position, but god more minutes wihtout Hummel). Painter did everything he did relying on 2 SRs, and then FR and SO who, despite what you said, are marginal recruits. Bade, Carroll, Byrd, and Johnson were all around the 100 mark on ratings services.
  
  You also talk about Painter having time to get the players to mesh and had time to adjust to no Hummel. But who had more time for the meshing and adjusting, OSU or Painter??? That argument is kind of biased imo.
  
  Im taking NOTHING away from Matta, he surpassed even my lofty expectations (Had MSU winning conference with OSU 2nd and OSU getting a 2 seed with 5 loses). OSU has had a tremendous season already. But what Painter was able to do was pretty remarkable. I know you thought they still had a good team, and kudos to you, because I didnt think they were top 4 in the league when Hummel went down, and most people were closer to my train of thought than yours.
  
  I mean, you asked if anyone would think OSU would be 29-2 and a #1 seed? The answer is probably not. But when Hummel went down did anyone think Purdue would be 25-6 a solid #2 seed and playing for a #1 seed 2 weeks left in the season. The answer to that probably has more "no"s than the OSU hypothetical, again jmo.
  
  BTW, it is absolutely KILLING me to defend Painter and Purdue right now lol...just KILLING me Fucking hate that school.
• SportsAndLady

  

  OSU fans are funny
• Prescott

  I doubt its that hard to tell a team without a PG, that the only PG on the team is going to run the offense.

  I said the offense runs THROUGH a freshman(Sullinger), which means Buford, Lighty, and to an extent Diebler sacrifice touches.
  
  

  I have no clue what the last part is even supposed to mean.

  It means that Matta wasn't that high on the kid or he would have recruited him initially. So, he gets some credit for taking a chance on Craft and developing a freshman PG.

  Matta did all of this and won the league by two games.

  Matta won and Painter didn't
• SportsAndLady

  

  Prescott;705056 wrote:I said the offense runs THROUGH a freshman(Sullinger), which means Buford, Lighty, and to an extent Diebler sacrifice touches.

  
  This is 2011 prescott, not 1956.
• Laley23

  

  Prescott;705056 wrote:I said the offense runs THROUGH a freshman(Sullinger), which means Buford, Lighty, and to an extent Diebler sacrifice touches.
  
  It means that Matta wasn't that high on the kid or he would have recruited him initially. So, he gets some credit for taking a chance on Craft and developing a freshman PG.
  
  Matta won and Painter didn't

  
  First point I must apologize for, I misread what you were trying to say. I thought you meant runs through a FR PG, as in he initiates the offense. But as for convincing them, Sully was the #1 recruit. Maybe some slight reservations, but lets not get carried away. Its 2010, these kids know whats up. Sully is better than them, and they know/knew it.
  
  Im still not sure I see giving credit to a coach for offering a kid. If he didnt believe in Craft, he wouldnt have offered him. If anything, we should be chastising him for letting Pearl get involved so heavily and beat Matta to the punch. I just dont think its logical to say, well I didnt get you the first time around, but Ill take a chance this time. Matta wanted him at OSU cause he trusted him.
  
  I guess we just agree to disagree here. I dont care if Matta won and Painter didnt. I think Painter did a slightly better coaching job than Matta this year.
• wildcats20

  

  sleeper;704589 wrote:Who recruited Sully and Craft? Case closed.

  
  Thad didn't exactly have to recruit Sully.
  
  And Sully recruited Craft after Pearl fucked up.
• Prescott

  Sully was the #1 recruit. Maybe some slight reservations, but lets not get carried away. Its 2010, these kids know whats up. Sully is better than them, and they know/knew it.

  We can agree to disagree. Obviously, Matta did a great job of getting his upperclassmen to defer to a greshman. I don't think that is an easy task given that we are talking about 4 players who had a ton of experience.
  
  
  

  This is 2011 prescott, not 1956.

  Relevance???
• sleeper

  

  Laley23;704904 wrote:Has nothng to do with coach of the year lol.

  
  Why? Because it doesn't fit you're argument.
  
  Matta is the best coach in the big 10, and top 5 in the country.
  
  This is simply bias against OSU winning everything else that actually matters, people are already fed up with OSU winning, why give them more?
• Laley23

  

  sleeper;705214 wrote:Why? Because it doesn't fit you're argument.
  
  Matta is the best coach in the big 10, and top 5 in the country.
  
  This is simply bias against OSU winning everything else that actually matters, people are already fed up with OSU winning, why give them more?

  
  No, because the voting for the COY is based on what you do from your first game till your last game. Not on recruiting.
  
  Now, if you do it all with FR people will take note, but your not going to get credit for landing those FR in COY voting, just coaching them.
• Hb31187

  

  sleeper;705214 wrote:Why? Because it doesn't fit you're argument.
  
  Matta is the best coach in the big 10, and top 5 in the country.
  
  This is simply bias against OSU winning everything else that actually matters, people are already fed up with OSU winning, why give them more?

  
  Best coach in the big ten? Izzo
  
  And Matta is arguably top 5 in the nation.
  
  Unless you're arguing JUST for this year