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• Hb31187

  

  vball10set;697608 wrote:are you really that dense, or has your hatred for OSU blinded you that badly?

  Go look at all the stats for the pgs i listed. Then tell me how craft is so much better than them...please
  
  
  And i truly hate OSU football, basketball i honestly dont mind them
• Automatik

  

  lhslep134;697561 wrote:Dynasty,
  
  I'm talking once or twice in a generation elite. Oden was that. Sully is not.

  
  Sully's offense is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Oden's.
  
  Oden's post game was weak for as big as he was. If he didn't have freakish size and length he would have been average.
  
  At first I was torn on the debate between the two, not I'm leaning towards Sully. His post game is THAT good.
• devil1197

  Hb31187;697635 wrote:Go look at all the stats for the pgs i listed. Then tell me how craft is so much better than them...please
  
  
  And i truly hate OSU football, basketball i honestly dont mind them

  
  I am 100% certain that Craft is a better defensive PG than any of PG in the B10.
  
  Add that he is the #5 scoring option when on the floor (#4 with Lauderdale in) he isn't going to have high ppg average. He isn't needed to score like a Morris, Taylor, Lucas, Battle who are either the #1 or #2 scoring options and all rank in the Top 10. Although Craft's ppg went up during the B10 play.
  
  Craft is #6 in assits, but OSU is also the only team with 3 players in the Top 15 for assits (Lighty and Buford ranked).
  
  Craft is #1 in steals by 13 total as he is above 2 spg.
  
  The only real negative is his turnover to assit ratio but he makes up the possessions with his steals on the defensive end.
• Hb31187

  

  devil1197;697642 wrote:I am 100% certain that Craft is a better defensive PG than any of PG in the B10.
  
  Add that he is the #5 scoring option when on the floor (#4 with Lauderdale in) he isn't going to have high ppg average. He isn't needed to score like a Morris, Taylor, Lucas, Battle etc.

  
  Hes good on defense yes, i am not denying that at all. But its not out of the question to compare those other Pgs i listed to him.
  
  I didnt say there were 6-7 better, I said there were 6-7 just as good
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;697571 wrote:Why?

  
  Have you not read my posts? Oden was elite on defense as well and Sully is not.
• lhslep134

  

  Automatik;697636 wrote:Sully's offense is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Oden's.
  
  Oden's post game was weak for as big as he was. If he didn't have freakish size and length he would have been average.
  
  At first I was torn on the debate between the two, not I'm leaning towards Sully. His post game is THAT good.

  
  look at the the stats they're not light years apart
• sleeper

  

  lhslep134;697681 wrote:Have you not read my posts? Oden was elite on defense as well and Sully is not.

  
  I wouldn't call Oden elite on defense, and I would not call Sully elite at defense either. Sully, offensively, is way better on generating his own shots than Oden will ever be. Oden needs a quick PG like Conley to put up great stats, Sully just needs the ball.
• Automatik

  

  lhslep134;697692 wrote:look at the the stats they're not light years apart

  
  So you think their offense games are comparable?
  
  
  I don't need stats.....watching is enough for me. Sully has better footwork, vision, jumper, and I'm sure he is better at the foul line....but not positive on that one.
• Jester

  

  Automatik;697728 wrote:So you think their offense games are comparable?
  
  
  I don't need stats.....watching is enough for me. Sully has better footwork, vision, jumper, and I'm sure he is better at the foul line....but not positive on that one.

  Didn't Oden shoot free throws with his opposite hand though?
• rydawg5

  Hb31187;697390 wrote:Morris
  Taylor
  Lucas
  Battle
  McCamey
  Thompson
  
  Thought about Nolan, but he was injured all year

  
  I don't disagree.
• Hb31187

  

  devil1197;697642 wrote:I am 100% certain that Craft is a better defensive PG than any of PG in the B10.
  
  Add that he is the #5 scoring option when on the floor (#4 with Lauderdale in) he isn't going to have high ppg average. He isn't needed to score like a Morris, Taylor, Lucas, Battle who are either the #1 or #2 scoring options and all rank in the Top 10. Although Craft's ppg went up during the B10 play.
  
  Craft is #6 in assits, but OSU is also the only team with 3 players in the Top 15 for assits (Lighty and Buford ranked).
  
  Craft is #1 in steals by 13 total as he is above 2 spg.
  
  The only real negative is his turnover to assit ratio but he makes up the possessions with his steals on the defensive end.

  
  So since u edited it, i might as well respond again.
  
  Again, I get it hes good at defense.
  
  You saying that 2 other people are top 15 in assists just proves that OSU has a wide open offense and are not dependent on Craft at all to get going. Doesnt exactly help his case
  
  Hes a damn good point guard, hes just comparable to the MAJORITY of Pgs in the big 10. Aside from Purdue, Indiana, Minny(since nolan is injured) and Iowa
• Prescott

  Oden needs a quick PG like Conley to put up great stats, Sully just needs the ball.

  Did you watch the National Championship game? Oden dominated on the blocks against Noah, Horford, and Speights. All of them NBA players.
• Big Gain

  ernest_t_bass;697407 wrote:Diebler got snubbed? Didn't he deserve at least something?

  
  Hell, Diebler should have his number retired. He's going to own more Big Ten and Ohio State records than any player since Matta has been coach.
• Big Gain

  Oden played to his offensive potential in one game and he looked awkward doing it. Sullinger is better than Oden, in every aspect of the game of a back to the basket player except for shot blocking. And Sullinger has better feet, better hands and is a MUCH better passer out of the post and has a better basketball IQ.
• wildcats20

  

  Big Gain;698121 wrote:Oden played to his offensive potential in one game and he looked awkward doing it. Sullinger is better than Oden, in every aspect of the game of a back to the basket player except for shot blocking. And Sullinger has better feet, better hands and is a MUCH better passer out of the post and has a better basketball IQ.

  
  Could not agree more.
  
  The only advantage Oden has over Sully(right now) is defensive. But I also think a lot of that has to do with him being a 7 footer.
• Big Gain

  Prescott;697999 wrote:Did you watch the National Championship game? Oden dominated on the blocks against Noah, Horford, and Speights. All of them NBA players.

  
  Oden played to his offensive potential in one game and looked awkward doing it. Sullinger is better than Oden in every facet of a back to the basket player's game, except for shot blocking. Sullinger has better feet, better hands and is a MUCH better passer out of the post and has a better basketball IQ.
• Big Gain

  STOP with the who's better or more important to this TEAM. If Ohio State did not have Sullinger OR did not have Craft OR did not have Lighty OR did not have Buford OR did not have Diebler OR even Lauderdale. They would have at least SIX Big Ten losses. This is a TRUE TEAM and are as good as they are because they are a TRUE TEAM. There isn't a selfish bone in the body of this TEAM, all they want to do is win. There are 6 players on this TEAM(counting Thomas) who go for 25+ points on any given night and when his teammates see that player is in a zone ALL of them make every effort to get that player the ball in a spot where he can score.
  
  ALL of the players on this TEAM would guffaw at the thought or suggestion of who's more important.
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;697706 wrote:I wouldn't call Oden elite on defense, .

  
  Idiot post of the week.
• centralbucksfan

  Automatik;697636 wrote:Sully's offense is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Oden's.
  
  Oden's post game was weak for as big as he was. If he didn't have freakish size and length he would have been average.
  
  At first I was torn on the debate between the two, not I'm leaning towards Sully. His post game is THAT good.

  It wasn't weak. We never got to see a 100% healthy Oden until maybe the final game. And guess what, Oden was a freak, bigger, stronger, etc, etc. You can't discount that. I mean if such and such a guy didn't have quickness, or this or that. YOu can't take away those physical traits. If Sully was only 210..he wouldn't be near as good either.
  Bottom line, offensively, the stats are almost identical. Defensively, Oden was a MONSTER. His presence alone on defense was a huge advantage. Is Sully more talented offensively? Yes he is. But Oden was a man amoungst boys. No, not Shaq...but Shaq was very raw..but he was bigger ans stronger, thus dominated. I'd take Oden in a heart beat over Sully as my post player because of what he was able to do on both ends of the court.
• FatHobbit

  

  centralbucksfan;698203 wrote:I'd take Oden in a heart beat over Sully as my post player because of what he was able to do on both ends of the court.

  
  The only reason I disagree with you is because Oden could never stay healthy. (at any level I think) I'd take a season of a healthy Sullinger over a partial season of Oden.
• lhslep134

  

  centralbucksfan;698203 wrote: If Sully was only 210..

  Where are you getting 210? On Odens high school scout page he's listed at 240 and I assume he put on some more weight once getting to OSU.
• FatHobbit

  

  lhslep134;698347 wrote:Where are you getting 210? On Odens high school scout page he's listed at 240 and I assume he put on some more weight once getting to OSU.

  
  He was listed at 280 when he was at OSU.
  
  https://admin.xosn.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=87805&SPID=10421&DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1057549
  
  I don't think that was cbf's point. Just pointing out he was much bigger than 210/240