Do you guys think OSU is a GREAT team?

• killdeer

  

  this OSU team is the best since the Cook, Conley, Oden team....
  
  and they stand a really good chance to win it all because of a rip-roarin' case of parity in the NCAA this year.
  
  and then Sullinger will leave.
• wildcats20

  

  I'm assuming you mean best OSU team since those guys....
  
  And Sully will be back at least 1 more year.
• GOONx19

  

  I'm late on this thread, but CDR was the leader of that Memphis team just as Patrick Patterson was the leader of Kentucky's team last year.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  reclegend22;664363 wrote:I'm bored (clearly) while watching the Lakers, so read if you want. Don't otherwise. Haha.
  
  If I had to rank the truly great, most remarkable teams of the last 10 years, that list would consist of 2001 Duke, 2002 Maryland, 2005 North Carolina and 2008 Kansas. Greatness shares rare company, and I believe only four teams since the beginning of 2000 are even worthy of consideration. Perhaps fewer. But, in order to make a list, there must be a list, so here are my choices and a brief explanation of those teams' highlights. (UConn of 2004 and Florida of 2007 were loaded with record NBA talent and each won national titles, but UConn lost six games and Florida five, including a 1-3 stretch for the Gators to end the regular season. That leaves these two teams on the outside looking in.)
  
  Maryland - After a visit to the Final Four in 2001, the 2002 Terrapins finished 15-1 in the ACC and 32-4 overall on their way to a national championship. Led by First Team All-American Juan Dixon, Maryland featured four NBA players on its roster (Steve Blake, Chris Wilcox, Lonny Baxter and Dixon). This was a great basketball team, one of the best in ACC history.
  
  Duke - The Blue Devils' top two players, Shane Battier and Jason Williams, were both national player of the year award winners in 2001 (Battier the Naismith, Wooden and Rupp, and Williams the NABC. In addition to future NBA members Chris Duhon, Mike Dunleavy and Carlos Boozer, Duke began the season ranked No. 1, finished 35-4 with ACC and national titles and featured five guys who would go on to play in the League. Not only did Duke win the national championship despite losing its anchor big man, Carlos Boozer, to a broken foot a week before the regular season concluded (Boozer eventually returned in the Final Four), the Blue Devils did so by beating Arizona, the pre-season No. 2 team in the land that was comprised of future NBA players Gilbert Arenas, Jason Gardner, Richard Jefferson, Loren Woods and Luke Walton, in the championship game. This, in my view, is the most talented and prominent team of the last decade.
  
  North Carolina - Finishing 33-4 overall and 14-2 in the ACC, the 2005 national champion Tar Heels featured Raymond Felton, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Marvin Williams, David Noel and Reyshawn Terry, all of whom would go on to be drafted into the NBA. North Carolina began the season ranked No. 1, lost early to Santa Clara with Raymond Felton sidelined, which caused UNC to fall behind Illinois in the polls for most of the remainder of the year, and then reclaimed the country's top spot by defeating that powerful 37-1 Illinois team in the national final.
  
  Kansas - On their way to the 2008 national title, the Jayhawks won the most games of any NCAA champion in history (37 wins versus 3 losses), won a Big XII title and featured five players that would be drafted into the NBA that summer (Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers, Darnell Jackson, Darrell Arthur and Sasha Kaun). Kansas stormed through the preseason national No. 1 and overall top seed, North Carolina, in the national semi-finals with an 84-66 victory, beginning the contest with a 40 to 12 lead. It wasn't a Final Four game. It was basketball's version of an execution. All of the above is enough to give this Kansas squad the nod of great.
  
  *Generally, in order to be considered great, I think it is a requirement for a team not only to take care of business in March by winning NCAA Tournament hardware, but also by winning its conference hardware. There are two exceptions to my list above, those being Maryland and North Carolina, which both fell short of Duke in the ACC during their respective national title-winning seasons.

  
  
  
  I think this list needs 2007 Florida. Back to back champs, great college players, and some very good NBA players. Was just a great team
• lhslep134

  

  Agree with Y-town, 2007 Florida was a great team. Freakin spanked us in the regular season in Gainesville (a game I had the unfortunate luck of attending).
• Classyposter58

  

  2000 Michigan State? I mean that team was electric with Richardson and Cleaves...they did go 32-7 but still were a #1 seed and cruised to a national title that. Btw that was part of a 3 year run where they were #1 seeds each year and made the Final 4 each year
• Classyposter58

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;664429 wrote:I think this list needs 2007 Florida. Back to back champs, great college players, and some very good NBA players. Was just a great team

  
  That was one incredible frontcourt. Horford, Noah and Brewer were all beasts and all average 13+ PPG in the NBA. The fact Oden had 25-12-4 against them really shows how great he could've been if he stayed healthy
• centralbucksfan

  Y-Town Steelhound;664429 wrote:I think this list needs 2007 Florida. Back to back champs, great college players, and some very good NBA players. Was just a great team

  
  As much as it pains me to agree, there is NO question the Florida back to back team needs to be, at the very least, on that list if not at the TOP of the list. That team was good enough to sleep walk at times..then flip a switch and do what it needed to do when it counted. Thats not an easy thing to do...and they did and could do it.
• centralbucksfan

  ccrunner609;664577 wrote:Great teams:
  
  1990 UNLV
  
  1990 Loyola (with Hank they win it all that year)
  
  1992 Duke
  
  60's UCLA.....couldnt really pick their best team.
  
  1976 Indiana
  
  1984 Hoyas

  
  Def. a few more than that, namely the '96 Pitino Kentucky team. And again, I think you have to put the back to back Florida team in there as well.
• lhslep134

  

  You guys have completely gone away from the intent of my thread (shocker).
  
  I'm not asking if this team is one of the all time greats. I'm asking if you guys think this team is great at putting the ball in the hoop more times than the other team relative to the other schools in the country in this current year.
• vball10set

  lhslep134;664747 wrote:You guys have completely gone away from the intent of my thread (shocker).
  
  I'm not asking if this team is one of the all time greats. I'm asking if you guys think this team is great at putting the ball in the hoop more times than the other team relative to the other schools in the country in this current year.

  
  yes
• GOONx19

  

  lhslep134;664747 wrote:You guys have completely gone away from the intent of my thread (shocker).
  
  I'm not asking if this team is one of the all time greats. I'm asking if you guys think this team is great at putting the ball in the hoop more times than the other team relative to the other schools in the country in this current year.

  
  So what you're asking is if they have the best record in the country? Yes, they do.
• centralbucksfan

  lhslep134;664747 wrote: I'm asking if you guys think this team is great at putting the ball in the hoop more times than the other team relative to the other schools in the country in this current year.

  
  So is this a "great shooting/scoring" team? Not sure if they are great, but they are efficient. They have, IMO, the best inside/outside, all around team in the country...at least all that I have seen.
• reclegend22

  

  Great teams do not lose six games, and especially do not go 1-3 over the last four games heading into post-season. That's not a sign of dominance, which a team must possess in order to be great. Therefore, no Florida.
  
  If we're looking back over all-time, off the top of my head... Any one of many John Wooden-led UCLA teams (specifically the Alcindor and Walton teams), the Oscar Robertson-led Cincy teams, Jerry Lucas and John Havlicek's 1961 Ohio State, 1976 Indiana, 1984 Georgetown, 1992 Duke, 1996 Kentucky, 2001 Duke, 2002 Maryland, 2005 North Carolina and 2008 Kansas.
  
  Then, of course, this list leaves off Bill Russell's San Francisco teams, Wilt The Stilt at Kansas, Magic Johnson's Michigan State and countless other teams that I didn't get to watch, so these lists are obviously deeply open to debate.
  
  I'd argue that teams like 1985 Georgetown, 1991 UNLV, 1993 Michigan and 1999 Duke also belong in the discussion, but ultimately not regarded as truly great. All were dominant teams led by unthinkable talent that reached the pinnacle of their sport (all save for UNLV, who lost in the national semis to Duke, reached the NCAA final), before falling a few shots short.
• centralbucksfan

  reclegend22;664808 wrote:Great teams do not lose six games, and especially do not go 1-3 over the last four games heading into post-season. That's not a sign of dominance, which a team must possess in order to be great. Therefore, no Florida.
  
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  Well, I disagree. I don't think Fla had much interest or much to lose in those games. That was kind of their attitude, like it or not. And as I said, i think they were good enough, and obviously did, flip the switch and do what they needed...go on to win the title. It was basically the SAME team that won back to back national titles...something that is VERY RARE. So IMO, that puts them right there with any of those great teams in the past 20 or so years.
• FatHobbit

  

  centralbucksfan;664831 wrote:Well, I disagree. I don't think Fla had much interest or much to lose in those games. That was kind of their attitude, like it or not. And as I said, i think they were good enough, and obviously did, flip the switch and do what they needed...go on to win the title. It was basically the SAME team that won back to back national titles...something that is VERY RARE. So IMO, that puts them right there with any of those great teams in the past 20 or so years.

  
  I couldn't stand that team, but I do agree that they were great. (I know I'm not the only one who didn't like them.)
• Prescott

  If a team wins back-to-back tiles with basically the same personnel, they are a great team. Florida was great.
• trep14

  Yup 2007 Florida was definitely a great team imo.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yeah rec, I mean c'mon!
  
  I understand by not giving UF credit here you accomplish two things:
  
  1. You hate Florida, maybe almost as much as us Buckeye fans
  
  2. By giving them their due, you violate #1 and subsequently give credibility to OSU in losing the title game, also another of the disdained.
  
  
• reclegend22

  

  We are all entitled to our opinions, and those who share the opinion that Florida was great because that team won consecutive titles make a sound and compelling argument. I'm not saying that it makes me change my mind, but I also do not have a legitimate reason to disagree with that reasoning.
  
  But, no, I didn't take my stance because I abhor Florida. I care for Florida basketball about as much as I care for the San Jose Sharks.
• ytownfootball

  

  Just a little tongue in cheek, you can take a little unlike some others around here.
• sportswizuhrd

  reclegend22;664808 wrote:Great teams do not lose six games....

  With that criteria and a NC...
  
  Duke-'92,'01,'10.
  UNC-'57'82'93,'05,'09.
  
  UNC has had more great teams right?
  
  BTW, no offense to you, I don't know if its cause of your vast knowledge of CBB, quality of posts or what that would make me think your are older than the crowd they go for but I never thought I would see you quote Three Six Mafia. Haha.
• reclegend22

  

  ytownfootball wrote:Just a little tongue in cheek, you can take a little unlike some others around here.

  Certainly. This place takes itself much too seriously sometimes. But definitely not as serious as some of the old huddlers did over at JJ. Then again, that's what also makes this place so entertaining sometimes. Captain Jack was a legend in my book for his grave view on potential bandwagon fans and how crucial it was for him to uncover them. Haha.
  

  sportswizuhrd wrote:BTW, no offense to you, I don't know if its cause of your vast knowledge of CBB, quality of posts or what that would make me think your are older than the crowd they go for but I never thought I would see you quote Three Six Mafia. Haha.

  I figured it would throw somebody here for a random loop to see "Weak Azz Bitch" recited However, as a few posters know (I think killer_ewok and zwick4prez and I have gotten into minor rap battles before regarding Eazy E as a top all-time MC), I am partial to hip-hop and would consider myself still among the crowd that Triple Six Mafia plays to. Although, with songs like "Hook Up W/Hoes" and "Slob On My Knob," I'm not so sure that's a positive attribute to have. Haha.
• sportswizuhrd

  reclegend22;665344 wrote:I figured it would throw somebody here for a random loop to see "Weak Azz Bitch" recited However, as a few posters know (I think killer_ewok and zwick4prez and I have gotten into minor rap battles before regarding Eazy E as a top all-time MC), I am partial to hip-hop and would consider myself still among the crowd that Triple Six Mafia plays to. Although, with songs like "Hook Up W/Hoes" and "Slob On My Knob," I'm not so sure that's a positive attribute to have. Haha.

  Completely forgot about that. Those were some good convos. Haha.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Prescott;664084 wrote:Let me see. Rose was a freshman leader, but Memphis wasn't led by that freshman leader. Okay. You win.

  
  So now you're assuming that Rose was their leader? After just asking me if I "were in the huddle"? So which one was it...was he the leader or wasn't he?
  
  Regardless if he was or not, the team was not freshman led. They had ONE freshman on their team play any minutes, no way did Kansas "beat a freshman led team"