Cuse - KSU, officials ruin a possible awesome finish

• Jughead

  

  I've heard one set of officials complemented by the announcers this year. Guess what conference they came from?
• dwccrew

  

  Gardens35;618732 wrote:Doesn't much matter to me whether he shows emotion or not, seems that it mattered to the official. If it was done the way I suggested in my post, there is no chance for a penalty, and KSU is going for Two from the 3 yard line rather than the 18.

  So take the emotion out of an emotional game? Makes sense to me........
• Gardens35

  Gardens35;618699 wrote:Score. Drop the ball or get it to the nearest official. No chance for a penalty. Simple.

  No chance for a penalty.
  
  What part of that is difficult to understand?
• Gardens35

  BTW, the "it's an emotional game" excuse, although chic, is already played out.
• dwccrew

  

  Clearly you have never played football. A chance to tie the game after a huge play and all the kid does is "salute" and gets a penalty. Just admit it is a weak call. Yes, we get that if he does nothing there is no penalty, but he should be able to celebrate in a non-obnoxious manner. Or would you prefer these players be emotionless robots?
• Gardens35

  dwccrew;619068 wrote:Clearly you have never played football. A chance to tie the game after a huge play and all the kid does is "salute" and gets a penalty. Just admit it is a weak call. Yes, we get that if he does nothing there is no penalty, but he should be able to celebrate in a non-obnoxious manner. Or would you prefer these players be emotionless robots?

  
  I never justified the call. I offered what I thought was the most obvious way to not be on the receiving end of the call. Put your emotion aside and read my original post, it's very short.
  
  The best non-obnoxious celebration would have been after he got this azz back to the huddle and helped his team score from the three yard line.
• Gardens35

  dwccrew;619068 wrote:Clearly you have never played football.....

  
  Clear enough for a cash wager?
• bucks36

  

  Gardens35;619098 wrote:Clear enough for a cash wager?

  
  Flag football on recess doesn't count.
• hoops23

  

  LOL @ people who expect a player who just scored a pretty big TD to not get excited/emotional about it.
  
  He saluted the crowd and got flagged. Terrible call. I see it and everybody else does as well.
  
  Then, Tennessee's QB is allowed to do a throat slash with both hands, TWICE, in 1 game...and no flag?
  
  0_o
• vball10set

  Big Ten officials sure had an interesting night, didn't they
• Skyhook79

  

  dazedconfused;618804 wrote:and therein lies the problem. if you're going to call it a penalty for one game, call it a penalty for all games. if you're only going to pick and choose when you enforce it, then why enforce it all?

  
  
  Is the strike zone in baseball a clearly defined area and isn't it called differently each game depending on who the home plate umpire is???
• ts1227

  

  Seems like another case of the Big Ten coming off as pretentious assholes... makes it look like they're too good over here in the Big Ten for that sort of stuff.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  If the KSU player is being honest about what the ref told him ("Wrong Choice Buddy"), ref should be suspended. Sportsmanship also applies to the refs, particularly from a conference that preaches sportsmanship.
• vball10set

  Manhattan Buckeye;619341 wrote:If the KSU player is being honest about what the ref told him ("Wrong Choice Buddy"), ref should be suspended. Sportsmanship also applies to the refs, particularly from a conference that preaches sportsmanship.

  
  I agree, but as in baseball with the umpires, the arrogance of some of these guys is unreal. IMO, some feel they're bigger than the players, and to hell with anyone who thinks otherwise. I know it's a tough job, but I also know that everyone should be held accountable for their jobs.
• Heretic

  

  It's always great to have really good games get marred by refs who think they're bigger than the game. Congrats on being able to say you personally decided the outcome of a game with a frivolous flag, dude. Worthless piece of shit doesn't deserve to do any game more intense than 40-point wins over 1-AA teams if that's how he'll react in clutch situations.
• Skyhook79

  

  Heretic;619586 wrote:It's always great to have really good games get marred by refs who think they're bigger than the game. Congrats on being able to say you personally decided the outcome of a game with a frivolous flag, dude. Worthless piece of shit doesn't deserve to do any game more intense than 40-point wins over 1-AA teams if that's how he'll react in clutch situations.

  
  Personally decided the outcome of a game? How do you know they would have converted the 2 pt conversion anyway and then won in OT?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  They did worse than determine the outcome of the game, they didn't allow the players to determine the outcome of the game. KSU might not have won, or even sent the game into OT, but jackass ref cheated both teams and the fans for deciding to end the game at that time. Wrong Choice Buddy, yeah wrong choice asshole ref for making it ALL ABOUT HIM. The guy should be suspended. Herm Edwards might not have been the best coach in the NFL, but his comments earlier today were totally spot on.
  
  If the Big 10 has any common sense (and after this year, it appears they don't with the idiotic division names) they'd stop defending an absolute terrible decision by the ref.
• Con_Alma

  It's bad scenarios like these that get much publicity that will force a clear declaration of what the rule is and what's expected....then hopefully enforced uniformly.
• Skyhook79

  

  Con_Alma;619669 wrote:It's bad scenarios like these that get much publicity that will force a clear declaration of what the rule is and what's expected....then hopefully enforced uniformly.

  
  
  
  1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
  
  
  (d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)
  
  
  The rule looks pretty clear to me.
• Con_Alma

  There are many rules in the book that have a different spirit of the game applied. What the NCAA is expecting and how they will enforce it may have the ability to be communicated as a result of incidents like these.
  
  All you have to do is read this thread to understand that great benefit would take place from doing so.
• stroups

  

  Skyhook79;619678 wrote:1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
  
  
  (d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves)
  
  
  The rule looks pretty clear to me.

  
  So why not call it every time.. aka when the player on defense did his little dance after a sack. The officials just get to pick an choose when the penalty gets enforced and that has a direct impact on the game. You can't just let a bunch of shit slide and then say "Boom, that a fucking 15 yard penalty."
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "So why not call it every time.. aka when the player on defense did his little dance after a sack. "
  
  Not sure if you are watching the Peach Bowl, but after the first play of the game there were at least four players that did far worse than what the KSU player did. If refs enforced the penalty on defenses/special teams, there would be a 15 yarder after virtually every play.
  
  For some reason its ok for defenses to act like they just won the game after they make a routine tackle, but if a guy does anything after scoring the refs target it. It is just plain stupid...and it hurts the game.
• Con_Alma

  ...which is why I believe it will take a bad / game changing incident like the KSU situation along with fan outrage to force a communication and emphasis to be put into place.
• Sykotyk

  

  The penalty was put in place to eliminate the exaggerated or choreographed celebrations. A salute. A finger to the God. High stepping. Holding the ball out. Diving. Etc, should not be considered in the realm of 'celebration'. What if a players so straight-laced that the manner in which he flips the ball is considered 'celebrating' the play. Maybe an underhanded throw is 'ad hominem' with sportsman ship, but an overhanded throw is showing off? Where would it end. It's all by individual standards.
  
  WHICH IS THE PROBLEM.
  
  
  What's worse is that at least the strike zone in baseball is officiated consistently on a game-by-game bases. The ref doesn't have one strike zone for one pitch in the 2nd and another for a pitch in the 9th. The strike zone may differ from ump to ump but will generally (there are exceptions to every rule) be consistent through the entire game. Unfortunately, the celebration penalty is not uniform throughout the game even.
  
  Sykotyk
• Skyhook79

  

  What's worse is that at least the strike zone in baseball is officiated consistently on a game-by-game bases. The ref doesn't have one strike zone for one pitch in the 2nd and another for a pitch in the 9th.

  Really?? I don't think I have ever watched a baseball game where both teams players and Coaches haven't complained about the strike zone and the inconsistency in calls through the game.
  
  A ref could problly call holding on almost every play of the game but they don't and the pick play ( saw it the ND game and it was blatant) is used a lot by receivers which is called maybe once in a blue moon. Inconsistency's happen, refs are human but the rule WAS broken, it just happened at the worst time for K-State and it was called.