Scarlet Buckeye's outlook for OSU next season

• elbuckeye28

  dwccrew;612975 wrote:You can keep bringing up other players from the past, but that is not relevant about this topic. Pryor is not a leader, has character issues and is selfish (which is now evident). He is not a NC caliber QB. PLayers like McCoy, Martin, McCelroy, etc. had class, character and were about the team. Some won titles, some didn't. But they had something in common, they were about the team. Pryor is not, he is about Pryor. He will never be a NC caliber QB because of this. Other QB's that didn't win were not NC caliber QB's because of other reasons.

  
  I don't disagree that they were likely better verbal leaders and not near as egotistical, but what I have seen this past year has led me to believe that Pryor is( would have been at least) a good enough player to lead us to a NC. While he says and does some unexplainable things off of the field, I still believe he wants to win just as bad as anybody when he is out there. Add that to his exceptional athletic ability and I liked our chances(before this).
  
  Besides I think we keep blowing off the fact that this happened a couple years ago. While this does not excuse the stupidity of the mistake, it should put into perspective that this is not the Junior year Terrelle Pryor that did this. I mean all season the announcers were talking about how he was putting extra work in the film room and putting in the hard work that we generally associate with leaders. Yet, we are discrediting his leadership abilities now because of something that occurred when he was a freshman.
• charliehustle14

  dwccrew;612981 wrote:This. And hopefully they will build and improve even if they struggle. I also hope that Miller is a much better character than Pryor.

  
  I think he will be. I've heard he's a very yes sir, yes ma'am type of kid. I mean Hell, he can't be any worse than Pryor. Plus I don't think Miller is under the impression that everybody murders people, everybody steals.
• elbuckeye28

  charliehustle14;612980 wrote:Miller enrolling early will help a lot.
  
  Basically, I'd rather see us lose games with Miller, Guiton, Graham, or whoever than watch us win with Pryor. I just want the POS out of the program.

  
  Miller enrolling is a great thing and will be good for him. I just think you guys are letting your emotions cloud your judgment when you say you want Pryor gone. I mean everybody should feel the same way about Troy Smith. In hindsight, his infraction was probably worse and likely cost us the Texas game and maybe a NC. We don't know what is to come from this yet, but everybody is more than happy to get rid of Pryor. We do know what Smith's mistake cost us.
• charliehustle14

  elbuckeye28;612990 wrote:Miller enrolling is a great thing and will be good for him. I just think you guys are letting your emotions cloud your judgment when you say you want Pryor gone. I mean everybody should feel the same way about Troy Smith. In hindsight, his infraction was probably worse and likely cost us the Texas game and maybe a NC. We don't know what is to come from this yet, but everybody is more than happy to get rid of Pryor. We do know what Smith's mistake cost us.

  
  The only thing I'm letting cloud my mind when I say I want Pryor gone is rationale and reason. I know what you're trying to say and fully agree, but with all the bullshit in college football anymore, I want my team to be one of integrity, respect, and selflessness. All things that these knuckleheads obviously can't understand. I really do think OSU is quickly becoming a top notch school when it comes to running the program the right way....it's just a shame that these 5 or 6 dumbasses ruin a good thing going.
• dwccrew

  

  elbuckeye28;612984 wrote:I don't disagree that they were likely better verbal leaders and not near as egotistical, but what I have seen this past year has led me to believe that Pryor is( would have been at least) a good enough player to lead us to a NC. While he says and does some unexplainable things off of the field, I still believe he wants to win just as bad as anybody when he is out there. Add that to his exceptional athletic ability and I liked our chances(before this).
  
  Besides I think we keep blowing off the fact that this happened a couple years ago. While this does not excuse the stupidity of the mistake, it should put into perspective that this is not the Junior year Terrelle Pryor that did this. I mean all season the announcers were talking about how he was putting extra work in the film room and putting in the hard work that we generally associate with leaders. Yet, we are discrediting his leadership abilities now because of something that occurred when he was a freshman.

  It is more than this most recent incident, it is one thing after the other with Pryor. I have never been a fan of his and I think this is just one in a long line of problems with him.
  
  

  elbuckeye28;612990 wrote:Miller enrolling is a great thing and will be good for him. I just think you guys are letting your emotions cloud your judgment when you say you want Pryor gone. I mean everybody should feel the same way about Troy Smith. In hindsight, his infraction was probably worse and likely cost us the Texas game and maybe a NC. We don't know what is to come from this yet, but everybody is more than happy to get rid of Pryor. We do know what Smith's mistake cost us.

  
  I'm not really letting my emotions cloud my judgment. I've never really been high on Pryor and don't think he is the QB that he thinks he is. Smith made up for his bad judgment, Pryor has continually done or said bonehead things.
• elbuckeye28

  dwccrew;612995 wrote:It is more than this most recent incident, it is one thing after the other with Pryor. I have never been a fan of his and I think this is just one in a long line of problems with him.
  
  
  
  
  I'm not really letting my emotions cloud my judgment. I've never really been high on Pryor and don't think he is the QB that he thinks he is. Smith made up for his bad judgment, Pryor has continually done or said bonehead things.

  
  I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
• dwccrew

  

  elbuckeye28;612997 wrote:I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

  
  Not a problem. It is purely my opinion and you have yours as well.
• elbuckeye28

  charliehustle14;612993 wrote:The only thing I'm letting cloud my mind when I say I want Pryor gone is rationale and reason. I know what you're trying to say and fully agree, but with all the bullshit in college football anymore, I want my team to be one of integrity, respect, and selflessness. All things that these knuckleheads obviously can't understand. I really do think OSU is quickly becoming a top notch school when it comes to running the program the right way....it's just a shame that these 5 or 6 dumbasses ruin a good thing going.

  
  I think any reasonable fan wants the team to share these same attributes. That said, maybe it's the cynic in me but it's not really realistic. First of all we are talking about 18-22 year olds. This age group is not known for the personality traits that you laid out. This is a time where (athletes and non-athletes alike) do and say stupid things. They think they are invincible and tend to be somewhat narcissistic. In addition, in order to be the best in football, we have to recruit the best players. Unfortunately the best players are not always the smartest, nicest, or most caring people in the world. Some likely care more about getting to the NFL than the education that they are receiving. It just is what it is.
  
  That said, I think Tressel does a great job with the players in making them better overall individuals. All I can ask for in this regard is that they are better people going out than coming in. Even with Pryor's mistakes, everything has led me to believe that he (and the rest of them for that matter) is a better person now than he was when he entered. It just happens that these player's biggest mistake occurred when they were younger, but since we are finding out now, we are attributing this their to present day selves instead of the selves that they were when it occurred. I know when I look back at my freshmen year compared to me junior and senior years, I see a completely different and better overall person as I got older. I'm sure this is rather common at this age yet we have different expectations with these players and forget that they go through many of the same things, albeit with much more pressure and under much more scrutiny.
• charliehustle14

  elbuckeye28;613002 wrote:I think any reasonable fan wants the team to share these same attributes. That said, maybe it's the cynic in me but it's not really realistic. First of all we are talking about 18-22 year olds. This age group is not known for the personality traits that you laid out. This is a time where (athletes and non-athletes alike) do and say stupid things. They think they are invincible and tend to be somewhat narcissistic. In addition, in order to be the best in football, we have to recruit the best players. Unfortunately the best players are not always the smartest, nicest, or most caring people in the world. Some likely care more about getting to the NFL than the education that they are receiving. It just is what it is.
  
  That said, I think Tressel does a great job with the players in making them better overall individuals. All I can ask for in this regard is that they are better people going out than coming in. Even with Pryor's mistakes, everything has led me to believe that he (and the rest of them for that matter) is a better person now than he was when he entered. It just happens that these player's biggest mistake occurred when they were younger, but since we are finding out now, we are attributing this their to present day selves instead of the selves that they were when it occurred. I know when I look back at my freshmen year compared to me junior and senior years, I see a completely different and better overall person as I got older. I'm sure this is rather common at this age yet we have different expectations with these players and forget that they go through many of the same things, albeit with much more pressure and under much more scrutiny.

  
  Good points all the way around. I still want to wash my hands of the guy though.
• elbuckeye28

  charliehustle14;613003 wrote:Good points all the way around. I still want to wash my hands of the guy though.

  
  Fair enough. While I personally don't want to see this, at least you and dwcrew(some other fans as well) seem rational in your opinions. I guess I just get bothered by the fans that love a player when things are great and despise him things are not great, or worse yet, love Tressel when we win, but after a loss all they can say is how we can't win the big one with Tressel and we need a new coach. The inconsistency with some fans is aggravating, and I think some of the harshest and most irrational critics of Pryor will either be back in his corner if we win with him or wishing he was back if he moves on.
• charliehustle14

  elbuckeye28;613007 wrote:Fair enough. While I personally don't want to see this, at least you and dwcrew(some other fans as well) seem rational in your opinions. I guess I just get bothered by the fans that love a player when things are great and despise him things are not great, or worse yet, love Tressel when we win, but after a loss all they can say is how we can't win the big one with Tressel and we need a new coach. The inconsistency with some fans is aggravating, and I think some of the most harsh and irrational critics of Pryor will either be back in his corner if we win with him or wishing he was back if he moves on.

  
  I'm not going to lie, I was a hugeeee Pryor fan. Basically just because I was in awe of his physical abilities and he was nice to me when I came across him on campus. Basically those 2 things kept me in denial of the truth of how he really is. So I know I sound really really fairweathered now, but I promise you I'm usually not. Basically just really let down and ready to forget the era of TP football at OSU. Perhaps my love affair with TP before all this has made me take this a lot harder and react a little more brash. As I've always said, I'd much rather be let down by a player on the field than a player as a person.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  dwccrew;612917 wrote:Really? If we don't have Pryor I think we could lose to Wisky. They always have stud linemen and running backs. I think it is the least likely loss out of the 3 I listed, but it could happen. Who would have thought we'd lose to Purdue last season?

  
  Purdue was a trap game. There is nothing "trap" about Wisconsin. In fact, it's the exactly opposite. The boys will have this one circled seeing as how we lost this season.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  elbuckeye28;612952 wrote:Really disagree with you here. First of all, Pryor did not have many problems getting Posey the ball as Posey had pretty good stats. In fact, he only had 3 less receiving yards than Ted Ginn had his last season. The main problems with Posey are he dropped a good amount of passes(Iowa being the huge one), and most troubling, he would not give full effort in a lot of games and give up on routes and passes. Anyways, this draft is likely to be extremely deep with wide receivers and he just isn't anywhere near the top if AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Justin Blackmon enter the draft.

  
  Idk... by "having problems getting Posery the ball," I mean that Pryor isn't/wasn't that good at throwing the ball and you would typically see balls thrown at WRs feet or wobbling in the air (taking forever to get to the WR) and batted down.
• lhslep134

  

  I want Pryor gone from a pure quarterbacking standpoint.
  
  His accuracy was almost downright pathetic for how much time he could create for himself in the pocket. His deep ball was among the best in the country, but how many terrible throws have you seen him make? Posey and Dane made Pryor look better than he really is by making some spectacular catches.
  
  His record as a starter is phenomenal at 30-4, but really, if we have a good accurate QB, we don't lose to USC or Purdue last year. I'm not going to say we beat Wisco this year because it was on the defense and Wisco earned the victory, but Pryor definitely cost us the USC and Purdue games last year because of complete deficiencies passing the ball.
  
  His personality doesn't matter to me at all, he's a narcissistic asshole, but like someone said he's a college kid. I dislike him because I think he's a mediocre at best QB.
• vball10set

  good post, liberty--I too am ready to move on to the next "era"...have a great day and a Merry Christmas!!!
• lhslep134

  

  vball10set;613051 wrote:good post, liberty--I too am ready to move on to the next "era"...have a great day and a Merry Christmas!!!

  
  You too man!
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  lhslep134;613049 wrote:His deep ball was among the best in the country,

  
  Laughable.
• lhslep134

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;613071 wrote:Laughable.

  
  How so? It was the only thing he had going for him. He always put the ball where it had to be on deep balls. He underthrew a few, but his deep passes were infinitely more accurate than his shorter passes.
• devil1197

  Sorry to let any haters down but this isn't your typical program.
  
  OSU can have these guys go Pro and they still will win the B10 next season. Too much talent at RB and I think Miller is a better passer (not as physically gifted) than Pryor. He enrolls early and will have more "experience" than when Pryor extended his recruiting process. Throw him into the QB position and let him roll. He'll have a pretty damn good defense and running game behind him.
  
  Overall, these idiots need to go Pro and be suspended for the Bowl game. Let the players who represent OSU proudly play and I still think we have a good shot if they are suspended. I guarantee Berry and Hall would be chomping at the bit to show everyone what they can do in big time situations.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  lhslep134;613092 wrote:his deep passes were infinitely more accurate than his shorter passes.

  
  Is that saying a lot though?
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  devil1197;613228 wrote:I think Miller is a better passer (not as physically gifted) than Pryor.

  
  I agree. I was thoroughly impressed with Braxton in the State title game. I think he throws a better ball NOW (as a h.s. senior) than Pryor does (as a collegiate junior).
• dwccrew

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;613036 wrote:Purdue was a trap game. There is nothing "trap" about Wisconsin. In fact, it's the exactly opposite. The boys will have this one circled seeing as how we lost this season.

  
  Eh.....I think they probably had the USC game circled last season and that didn't turn out so well either. And USC was very much the lesser team last season. Wisky will be decent next season.
• Ty Webb

  

  I honestly don't think you'll ever see Braxton Miller start a game at QB for Ohio State. He is too good of an athlete and I think Tressel will end up using him in a role similar to Percy Harvin as Florida
• royal_k

  

  Ty Webb;613530 wrote:I honestly don't think you'll ever see Braxton Miller start a game at QB for Ohio State. He is too good of an athlete and I think Tressel will end up using him in a role similar to Percy Harvin as Florida

  That's some funny shit.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Ty Webb;613530 wrote:I honestly don't think you'll ever see Braxton Miller start a game at QB for Ohio State. He is too good of an athlete and I think Tressel will end up using him in a role similar to Percy Harvin as Florida

  
  Put down the alcohol and step away from the computer.