Week 12: (6) Wisconsin def. Michigan, 48-28

• WebFire

  LJ;567171 wrote:So you are telling me that a team that is short on DB's that is running a defense that is dependent on on having exceptional DB's wouldn't be any better running some type of traditional defense? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

  
  If you had any clue about this team you'd know we ran a lot of 4 man fronts for several games. The result: no difference.
• LJ

  

  WebFire;567172 wrote:Don't worry, we'll switch to the 4-3 and beat OSU next week. Right LJ?

  
  What a stupid fucking comment. The defense would be better as a 4-3, but it wouldn't become a world beater. That is on recruiting. But UM probably wouldn't be getting tore up for 6.8 YPC right now
• WebFire

  Again, remember I'm not arguing that they should switch. I just hate that everyone blames just the 3-3-5. This defense and it's staff is shit no matter what they run.
• WebFire

  LJ;567175 wrote:What a stupid fucking comment. The defense would be better as a 4-3, but it wouldn't become a world beater. That is on recruiting. But UM probably wouldn't be getting tore up for 6.8 YPC right now

  
  Yes they would.
• WebFire

  LJ;567175 wrote:What a stupid fucking comment. The defense would be better as a 4-3, but it wouldn't become a world beater. That is on recruiting. But UM probably wouldn't be getting tore up for 6.8 YPC right now

  
  So recruiting is to blame?
• LJ

  

  WebFire;567185 wrote:So recruiting is to blame?

  
  They could be average running a good traditional defense
• WebFire

  6 guys on the line and a ...touchdown!
• WebFire

  LJ;567188 wrote:They could be average running a good traditional defense

  
  I beg to differ. The linebackers and DBs are just awful. Demens will be good but he needs experience.
• LJ

  

  WebFire;567189 wrote:6 guys on the line and a ...touchdown!

  
  You really don't understand how the 3-3-5 scheme works do you?
• WebFire

  Fine time to see Tate.
• LJ

  

  WebFire;567192 wrote:I beg to differ. The linebackers and DBs are just awful. Demens will be good but he needs experience.

  
  DB's are awful! I know, let's run a defense that completely relys on good DB's!
  
  BRILLIANT!!!
• WebFire

  LJ;567193 wrote:You really don't understand how the 3-3-5 scheme works do you?

  
  Yes asswipe. Give it up.
  
  The 3-3-5 SUCKS. But switching to a 4-3 does not make magic. What the fuck is so hard for you to understand?
• WebFire

  LJ;567195 wrote:DB's are awful! I know, let's run a defense that completely relys on good DB's!
  
  BRILLIANT!!!

  
  Not disagreeing. Again, you can't seem to get that.
• LJ

  

  WebFire;567196 wrote:Yes asswipe. Give it up.
  
  The 3-3-5 SUCKS. But switching to a 4-3 does not make magic. What the fuck is so hard for you to understand?

  
  Where did I say it would make magic? It would help them at least be an average defense.
• Automatik

  

  I think it would help somewhat. They get zero pressure with the 3-3-5. I said from day 1 of the RR hiring that that defensive scheme is garbage.
• se-alum

  

  I really think UM's defense is just void of talent, no matter what defensive scheme they run. To me, what you call a defense isn't that important. It's the depth and talent that matters. Look at OSU. You may call their defense a 4-3, but the majority of the time they run a 4-2-5 or a 3-3-5 with Nathan Williams standing up either off the edge or up the middle.
• WebFire

  LJ;567201 wrote:Where did I say it would make magic? It would help them at least be an average defense.

  
  The magic is that the 100th ranked total defense does not magically become the 60th ranked defense by going to a 4-3 like many seem to think.
  
  Now, like I've said multiple times, they should switch to the 4-3 and recruit for it. But this defense is multiple seasons from being "not bad". Too many people think switching to the 4-3 is going to get immediate results after they watch a game on Saturday.
• WebFire

  se-alum;567208 wrote:I really think UM's defense is just void of talent, no matter what defensive scheme they run. To me, what you call a defense isn't that important. It's the depth and talent that matters. Look at OSU. You may call their defense a 4-3, but the majority of the time they run a 4-2-5 or a 3-3-5 with Nathan Williams standing up either off the edge or up the middle.

  
  Hello! Thank you.
• LJ

  

  se-alum;567208 wrote:I really think UM's defense is just void of talent, no matter what defensive scheme they run. To me, what you call a defense isn't that important. It's the depth and talent that matters. Look at OSU. You may call their defense a 4-3, but the majority of the time they run a 4-2-5 or a 3-3-5 with Nathan Williams standing up either off the edge or up the middle.

  
  But that is the problem with RR. He recruits on Defense just to recruit. He has NEVER had the guys to run a 3-3-5. The problem is you need amazing safetys who can come up and play LB when needed in the run game. He has never had those guys, never will. To play with teams like Wisky, Iowa, MSU, OSU, etc having 5 DB's isn't going to help. And when Williams stands up it's either a 3-4-4 (he is the 4th LB tech or the star being the 4th) and sometimes a 3-3-5 in PASSING situations.
• TBone14

  

  3-3-5, 4-3, 4-6, 5-2...it doesn't matter what the hell you run when your players are slow and can't tackle. Plain and simple, the athletes are not out there to stop proficient offenses with NFL linemen and backs. Well, the are out there..they are just not going to Michigan.
  
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• WebFire

  LJ;567214 wrote:But that is the problem with RR. He recruits on Defense just to recruit. He has NEVER had the guys to run a 3-3-5. The problem is you need amazing safetys who can come up and play LB when needed in the run game. He has never had those guys, never will. To play with teams like Wisky, Iowa, MSU, OSU, etc having 5 DB's isn't going to help. And when Williams stands up it's either a 3-4-4 (he is the 4th LB tech or the star being the 4th) and sometimes a 3-3-5 in PASSING situations.

  
  Again, not disagreeing. You kind of made my point. He doesn't have the talent, no matter the scheme. And when it takes 3/4 of a season for the defensive staff to get players in the right positions, that is not scheme. Lack of fundamentals, like tackling and gaps, is not scheme.
  
  Defensive staff needs to go. 3-3-5 needs to go. Build the defense from the ground up. It's not going to be quick or easy.
  
  At this point, even with a 7-5 season, it may be time for RR to go. He is the one that forced the DC to run a 3-3-5 that he had never run. The boo birds were out today, and the AD was on the sideline. I'm sure those boos were ringing loud.
• se-alum

  

  LJ;567214 wrote:But that is the problem with RR. He recruits on Defense just to recruit. He has NEVER had the guys to run a 3-3-5. The problem is you need amazing safetys who can come up and play LB when needed in the run game. He has never had those guys, never will. To play with teams like Wisky, Iowa, MSU, OSU, etc having 5 DB's isn't going to help. And when Williams stands up it's either a 3-4-4 (he is the 4th LB tech or the star being the 4th) and sometimes a 3-3-5 in PASSING situations.

  
  I think we can agree, if you have talent, you can run whatever the hell defense you want. OSU recruits talent and molds their defense to their personnel. RR HAS to take this approach(if he happens to get another year) if he wants to be successful. Their defense is so far away from being decent, it doesn't matter what they do. Basically, they don't even have a 1st string defense right now, let alone depth.
• WebFire

  se-alum;567224 wrote:I think we can agree, if you have talent, you can run whatever the hell defense you want. OSU recruits talent and molds their defense to their personnel. RR HAS to take this approach(if he happens to get another year) if he wants to be successful. Their defense is so far away from being decent, it doesn't matter what they do. Basically, they don't even have a 1st string defense right now, let alone depth.

  
  I can honestly say Mike Martin is the only player on the entire Michigan defense that would even crack the 2-deep at OSU.
• se-alum

  

  WebFire;567232 wrote:I can honestly say Mike Martin is the only player on the entire Michigan defense that would even crack the 2-deep at OSU.

  
  Martin is a beast!! Honestly, I think RR has to go. I just don't think he is a good enough overall coach to get Michigan to where they need to be. He gets out-recruited in his home state by OSU and MSU, which is unacceptable. As a Buckeye fan, I want Michigan back to being a perennial power, not only in the Big Ten, but in the country.
• centralbucksfan

  Doesn't make a difference who UM plays..its like the movie Ground Hog Day. Same damn thing over and over again.