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  • thedynasty1998
    http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?id=303160194

    Finally found a box score. About what I expected. If Craft and Sullinger are not in foul trouble I think they each pick up more minutes and that would have led to fewer for Lauderdale and likely Diebler. Might be the case with Thomas as well. Funny that the 4 freshman geting the minutes all finished with 4+ fouls.
  • gorocks99
    Northwestern up 43-38 at half over NIU. High scoring half for the Wildcats
  • gorocks99
    Minnesota beats Wofford 69-55 in Minneapolis.
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;555601 wrote:No, Matta will see it my way. You think your 5 will start and they might, but I'm willing to bet down the stretch of a close game it's the 5 I mentioned (unless Diebler is shooting well, meaning over 15 points).

    It's no secret that Weatherspoon is the least skilled, but Lauderdale has a tendency to get into foul trouble and I could see the same from Sullinger, so he might be relied upon to play some minutes.

    Whatever Smith gives is a bonus. Didn't get to see him in the Exhibition, but OSU seems to be pretty set at the guard, unless Smith is better than Sibert.

    Well, then you don't know Matta very well. He won't be playing a frosh(Thomas) over a 4yr starting senior, who has been there, done that, in close games down the stretch. Ain't gonna happen, so you may as well accept it now. Talent wise, I don't disagree with you. But there is still something to say for experience in big games. In two games, its already pretty obvious that Matta is developing a regular rotation. We'll see how it plays out. But I just don't see Matta doing what you think he will. Like it or not, he is big on Diebler.
    An Even if Lauderdale and Sully get into foul trouble, I can see Matta going with a small lineup, playing Thomas or even Lighty down low. But I highly doubt both Sully and/or Lauderdale both get into foul trouble at same time. IF so, that would be very rare. Weatherspoon has a ways to go. He even struggled tonite at times. In time, he will be fine. But he definately needs some development.
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;555614 wrote:http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?id=303160194

    Finally found a box score. About what I expected. If Craft and Sullinger are not in foul trouble I think they each pick up more minutes and that would have led to fewer for Lauderdale and likely Diebler. Might be the case with Thomas as well. Funny that the 4 freshman geting the minutes all finished with 4+ fouls.

    I would't read too much intot he foul issue tonite. As I said, if this were a Big Ten game, many of those would have never been called. Matta wasn't all too happy even riding them pretty hard at one point, that being up 25pts. Sully did sit out much of the first half after picking up his 2nd foul. Crafts min had nothing to do with his fouls. He got some of those late and Matta left him in. And as I mentioned previously, Matta is developing a regular rotation at certain min markers.
  • thedynasty1998
    centralbucksfan;555634 wrote:Well, then you don't know Matta very well. He won't be playing a frosh(Thomas) over a 4yr starting senior, who has been there, done that, in close games down the stretch. Ain't gonna happen, so you may as well accept it now. Talent wise, I don't disagree with you. But there is still something to say for experience in big games. In two games, its already pretty obvious that Matta is developing a regular rotation. We'll see how it plays out. But I just don't see Matta doing what you think he will. Like it or not, he is big on Diebler.
    An Even if Lauderdale and Sully get into foul trouble, I can see Matta going with a small lineup, playing Thomas or even Lighty down low. But I highly doubt both Sully and/or Lauderdale both get into foul trouble at same time. IF so, that would be very rare. Weatherspoon has a ways to go. He even struggled tonite at times. In time, he will be fine. But he definately needs some development.

    I'm not getting into a Diebler debate, yet. But just look at what he's done down the stretch in big games. Even if Matta has other plans, Thomas might just force his way into the "Top 5" lineup from a production standpoint. And let's not look too much into last year because OSU had no options on the bench.
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;555643 wrote:I'm not getting into a Diebler debate, yet. But just look at what he's done down the stretch in big games. Even if Matta has other plans, Thomas might just force his way into the "Top 5" lineup from a production standpoint. And let's not look too much into last year because OSU had no options on the bench.

    This isn't necessarily my opinion on who I want in the game. Its what I happen to think what Matta thinks based on, not only last year, but the last 3yrs. No offense, but your so bias against Diebler, you choose not to see it. Diebler is what he is. I happen to think he is viewed as one of the leaders on this team, if not the leader. He leads OSU out of the locker room. As much as it pains you, I think its quite obvious to be honest. Its just what I am seeing. I just happen to think, in big games, down the stretch...he, Buford and Lighty will all be on the floor, no question at all. I think Sully and Thomas/Craft will join them depending on the circumstances. But I think 4 of the 5 are set in stone. And that include Diebler. I'd be willing to lay a 50 right on the table that that is what Matta will be going with. Its not always about who the best is. There are so many circumstances and situations going on at end of games in big games...that experience goes a long way in those situation. Especially on the perimeter.
    No offense, but a week ago you thought Thomas wouldn't be getting much PT at all. Now you have him playing crunch time in big games. lol
    Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. I honestly could give a shit as long as OSU is winning.
  • Writerbuckeye
    In Matta's time at OSU he has always been about experienced players being on the court.

    Always.

    I don't see that changing, even though I do believe Craft will force himself into a starting role at some point (probably the Big Ten schedule). The team plays better with him running the point. I think you'll see a rotation of Sullinger and Lauderdale, and he'll only go with two bigs when he's forced to. Otherwise, Thomas and Lighty will switch out down low if there's really bad foul trouble underneath.
  • NilesPacMan
    thedynasty1998;555532 wrote:Sounds like the only thing to complain about is that Craft fouled out, so he'll have to learn to play without fouling (saying that not seeing the game and what kind of fouls he committed).

    Well, I don't know exactly if anyone answered this, but he was playing defensively too much with his body, and that's how he got called for most of his five fouls. Other than that, he looked decent for playing in his first game.
  • centralbucksfan
    Writerbuckeye;555739 wrote:In Matta's time at OSU he has always been about experienced players being on the court.

    Always.

    I don't see that changing, even though I do believe Craft will force himself into a starting role at some point (probably the Big Ten schedule). The team plays better with him running the point. I think you'll see a rotation of Sullinger and Lauderdale, and he'll only go with two bigs when he's forced to. Otherwise, Thomas and Lighty will switch out down low if there's really bad foul trouble underneath.
    Agree and it was pretty much my exact point. I honestly don't think who starts is that big of a deal to be honest. Its who is on the floor at end of game and gets the most minutes. And Craft will be on the floor quite a bit, no question.
    NilesPacMan;555761 wrote:Well, I don't know exactly if anyone answered this, but he was playing defensively too much with his body, and that's how he got called for most of his five fouls. Other than that, he looked decent for playing in his first game.

    I think he was playing fine to be honest and the fouls called last nite, won't be called in the Big Ten. The officials last nite were calling way too many fouls that you rarely see called in Big Ten games.
  • thedynasty1998
    centralbucksfan;555669 wrote:This isn't necessarily my opinion on who I want in the game. Its what I happen to think what Matta thinks based on, not only last year, but the last 3yrs. No offense, but your so bias against Diebler, you choose not to see it. Diebler is what he is. I happen to think he is viewed as one of the leaders on this team, if not the leader. He leads OSU out of the locker room. As much as it pains you, I think its quite obvious to be honest. Its just what I am seeing. I just happen to think, in big games, down the stretch...he, Buford and Lighty will all be on the floor, no question at all. I think Sully and Thomas/Craft will join them depending on the circumstances. But I think 4 of the 5 are set in stone. And that include Diebler. I'd be willing to lay a 50 right on the table that that is what Matta will be going with. Its not always about who the best is. There are so many circumstances and situations going on at end of games in big games...that experience goes a long way in those situation. Especially on the perimeter.
    No offense, but a week ago you thought Thomas wouldn't be getting much PT at all. Now you have him playing crunch time in big games. lol
    Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. I honestly could give a shit as long as OSU is winning.

    I said it looked like Thomas might have been struggling with the change of pace and size of the college game, and that is still TBD because A&T probably isn't any better than Walsh.

    You may be right about Diebler, we will find out. But from what I saw, Craft and Sullinger are the leaders of this team. Not only from their play, but they were the most vocal in the Exhibition.
  • Big Gain
    Matta says the Seniors have done a terrific job being leaders.
  • gorocks99
    Iowa loses their season opener at home to South Dakota St, 79-69
  • Mulva
    Iowa blows.
  • Laley23
    Mulva;558311 wrote:Iowa blows.

    They are completely devoid of talent.
  • Hb31187
    Adreian Payne looked pretttty damn Impressive in his debut for Michigan St. Izzo will develop him into a force in the big 10
  • gorocks99
    Minnesota takes on Siena tonight on ESPNU - looking forward to watching my team for the first time this year.
  • lhslep134
    CBF, unfortunately, Diebler's only true role on this team will be leader and minute eater, and occasionally hit the 3.

    We now have the depth we didn't have last year and can take Diebler off the floor for extended minutes without hurting production, and we may actually improve production by having 5 players on the floor who can score inside.

    If you can't admit that Diebler really can't/doesn't want to score inside, just look at the last 2 boxscores (game 1 and exhibition).
  • Heretic
    lhslep134;559494 wrote:CBF, unfortunately, Diebler's only true role on this team will be leader and minute eater, and occasionally hit the 3.

    We now have the depth we didn't have last year and can take Diebler off the floor for extended minutes without hurting production, and we may actually improve production by having 5 players on the floor who can score inside.

    If you can't admit that Diebler really can't/doesn't want to score inside, just look at the last 2 boxscores (game 1 and exhibition).

    I think that out of the team's main guys, Diebler's minutes will likely fluctuate the most from game to game. If he's being aggressive in looking for his shot and connecting, he'll get a lot of minutes. If he's off or playing tentatively, he'll be spending a lot more time on the bench. He's the best pure shooter on the team, but is more one-dimensional than the alternatives.
  • thedynasty1998
    Heretic;559676 wrote:I think that out of the team's main guys, Diebler's minutes will likely fluctuate the most from game to game. If he's being aggressive in looking for his shot and connecting, he'll get a lot of minutes. If he's off or playing tentatively, he'll be spending a lot more time on the bench. He's the best pure shooter on the team, but is more one-dimensional than the alternatives.
    Very good post!
  • Mulva
    Minnesota off to a rough start, down 29-22 to Siena. This isn't the Saints from previous years though... Gophers should come back to win pretty easily.
  • I drain 3's
    Minnesota picks up the W over Siena, 76-69.
  • centralbucksfan
    lhslep134;559494 wrote:CBF, unfortunately, Diebler's only true role on this team will be leader and minute eater, and occasionally hit the 3.

    We now have the depth we didn't have last year and can take Diebler off the floor for extended minutes without hurting production, and we may actually improve production by having 5 players on the floor who can score inside.

    If you can't admit that Diebler really can't/doesn't want to score inside, just look at the last 2 boxscores (game 1 and exhibition).
    LOL...please, if your giong to post something, post something I don't already know and haven't already admitted too. I know exactly what Dieblers role is on this team, and have since he set foot on OSU campus. Others haven't accepted it and dislike him for whatever reason. Like it or not, every team needs a designated 3pt shooters. Its a role in this day and age. The great Fla teams had Humphry, very similar to Diebler as a player. It is what it is and the issue is not me supporting this and that..its that I have accepted and know his role. Its really that simple.
    Heretic;559676 wrote:I think that out of the team's main guys, Diebler's minutes will likely fluctuate the most from game to game. If he's being aggressive in looking for his shot and connecting, he'll get a lot of minutes. If he's off or playing tentatively, he'll be spending a lot more time on the bench. He's the best pure shooter on the team, but is more one-dimensional than the alternatives.

    Maybe, maybe not. thats yet to be determined. And, that could go for anyone on the team with the depth this team has. Not just Diebler.
  • thedynasty1998
    centralbucksfan;560429 wrote: Maybe, maybe not. thats yet to be determined. And, that could go for anyone on the team with the depth this team has. Not just Diebler.

    His comment was that Diebler is the most one dimensional player on the roster, and that can't be disputed. I do have a feeling that Diebler has a big game tonight though. I think he goes for 15 or so and really provide some offense at a point when OSU starts to struggle.
  • gorocks99
    I drain 3's;560255 wrote:Minnesota picks up the W over Siena, 76-69.

    Rough game last night. Siena was shooting lights out for a lot of the game and the Gopher bigs weren't nearly physical enough. I'm not all that worried, once we get Devoe Joseph back from suspension I suspect the team will be a lot better, but it was a little close and sloppy for my liking.

    Gotta get the W against WKU on Thursday to give us a chance against UNC Friday. Need it for SOS.