Rank The Undefeateds

• sjmvsfscs08

  1a- Auburn
  1b- Boise State
  3- Oregon
  4- Texas Christian
  
  
  5- Missouri
  
  6- Utah
  7- Michigan State
  
  I think Auburn and Boise State are the best two teams in the country. Oregon got handled last season by a Boise State team that returned 21/22 starters, I hope they meet in the national championship. Lord knows, if Ohio State and Michigan were #1/#2 a year after Ohio State stomped them and returned 21/22 starters, they wouldn't worry all season because they'd think they were the better team too. I think the only argument an Oregon fan has is that LaMichael James wasn't the star in that game last season, and it's a big argument.
  
  Texas Christian has looked more impressive in their games against common opponents than the traditional Big XII powers have. They are tough as shit, but also lost to Boise State last season.
  
  Auburn looks good, but I think the SEC is pretty overrated this season. Cam Newton is a G, on more than one level, and their victories are credible. I'm just not completely sold.
• Azubuike24

  

  This upcoming weekend is going to go a long way in determining how things play out.
  
  Missouri has to go to Nebraska, and the Big 12 North title is basically on the line. I remember the tropical storm in Columbia last year. This should be another good one. It has to be disappointing for NU to see the Longhorns lose to Iowa State, and I see this being a very entertaining game.
  
  Michigan State has it's final real test of the year as they play in Iowa City. The Hawkeyes, could have gained complete control of their Rose Bowl chances had they been able to hold serve at home against Wisconsin, but they lost, and now they must beat both MSU and OSU and hope for help. I don't see Iowa losing another home game though. If MSU wins this, I don't see where else they lose, especially without a CCG.
  
  Utah has a tune-up for their showdown against TCU next week as they face an Air Force team that got dismantled by TCU. If anything, this may be a good measuring stick for those waiting to see how Utah/TCU will play out next week.
  
  Oregon probably has the toughest conference schedule left of everyone as they travel to Los Angeles to take on USC. Not much to play for if you are the Trojans, other than playing spoiler and holding Oregon down. In a weird way, USC can have a hand in not allowing another Pac-10 team rising to elite national prominence while they are under sanctions. Maybe that is USC's motivation this weekend.
• vball10set

  1.) Oregon
  2.) Auburn
  3.) Missouri
  4.) Michigan State
  5.) Boise State
  6.) TCU
  7.) Utah
• sherm03

  

  sjmvsfscs08;531773 wrote: I think Auburn and Boise State are the best two teams in the country. Oregon got handled last season by a Boise State team that returned 21/22 starters, I hope they meet in the national championship. Lord knows, if Ohio State and Michigan were #1/#2 a year after Ohio State stomped them and returned 21/22 starters, they wouldn't worry all season because they'd think they were the better team too. I think the only argument an Oregon fan has is that LaMichael James wasn't the star in that game last season, and it's a big argument.

  That's my biggest complaint with the preseason rankings/how people rank teams throughout the year. What happened last year should have ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on how you rank a team this year. Boise returned 21 starters...so what? Who's to say that the new people at Oregon don't match up better and wouldn't crush those 21 returning starters at Boise?
  
  I just don't like basing the decisions on who is better this year on a game that happened last year. JMO.
• sjmvsfscs08

  I see what you're saying, but people do it all of the time, especially in the pros. When a national champion returns 21/22 starters, they're ALWAYS favored to win it again. If two teams played and the winner returns 21/22 starters, their fans will always thing the game is almost a given.
  
  Believe me, I understand what you're saying. More times than not, I agree with you too. But 21/22 starts is just a mind-numbing statistic for me. They return their entire team, literally, from a 13-0 squad and are still getting shit on? Oh but excuse me, "they don't play teams week-to-week." People need to stop that talk now, especially Buckeye fans whose schedule has consisted of Miami bookended with Marshall/Ohio, Wisconsin bookended with Big ten cellar dwellers, and Iowa bookended with a mediocre Penn State team and Michigan. They have exactly one tough two game period on the schedule. Unless you play in the SEC, you don't often have to "face the grind" like teams accuse Boise State of not doing.
  
  Many Buckeye fans were quick to text me a nice "OSU beats Purdon't 49-0 and Notre Dame only beat them 23-12? Goooooo Bucks!" after the game. Boise State demolished 48-0 while Wisconsin could only beat them 27-14 (at home no less), is that also evidence Wisconsin would lose to Boise State? They have beat a Virginia Tech team that has cruised through the ACC too. You simply cannot knock Boise State for not playing an SEC-like schedule because they would win the Big East by 30+ points and the ACC too. They deserve to be in that game.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  sjmvsfscs08;532341 wrote:Believe me, I understand what you're saying. More times than not, I agree with you too. But 21/22 starts is just a mind-numbing statistic for me. They return their entire team, literally, from a 13-0 squad and are still getting shit on? Oh but excuse me, "they don't play teams week-to-week." People need to stop that talk now, especially Buckeye fans whose schedule has consisted of Miami bookended with Marshall/Ohio, Wisconsin bookended with Big ten cellar dwellers, and Iowa bookended with a mediocre Penn State team and Michigan. They have exactly one tough two game period on the schedule. Unless you play in the SEC, you don't often have to "face the grind" like teams accuse Boise State of not doing.

  The difference is that Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan are better than anyone Boise will play in conference. Wisconsin, Iowa, and possible Miami are better than anyone Boise will have played all year. Purdue and Indiana are better than every WAC team except for Boise State and Nevada. Because you say they suck does not make it fact. Look at the Purdue game last year to see what happens in the Big Ten if you sleepwalk into a conference game. Do you think if Boise came out flat that they could lose to New Mexico State or Idaho? They could play their backups the whole game and win by 30. Boise doesn't even have to gameplan to beat their conference opponents.
• cats gone wild

  Am I the only one that thinks MSU is not worth ANY hype at all? Its not like they can be tons better than last year. Its schedule strength and barely getting by teams on trick plays. They are not a top 10 team.
• Al Bundy

  cats gone wild;532415 wrote:Am I the only one that thinks MSU is not worth ANY hype at all? Its not like they can be tons better than last year. Its schedule strength and barely getting by teams on trick plays. They are not a top 10 team.

  
  I think they are a good team, but not a great team. However, under this system, if they beat Iowa, they have a great chance to play in the championship.
• -Society-

  

  cats gone wild;532415 wrote:Am I the only one that thinks MSU is not worth ANY hype at all? Its not like they can be tons better than last year. Its schedule strength and barely getting by teams on trick plays. They are not a top 10 team.

  
  I guess we found out LSU wasn't worth the hype.
• karen lotz

  

  -Society-;532434 wrote:I guess we found out LSU wasn't worth the hype.

  
  
  +1
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  1. Oregon
  2. Boise
  3. Auburn
  4. TCU
  5. Michigan St.
  6. Missouri
  7. Utah
• pinstriper

  cats gone wild;532415 wrote:Am I the only one that thinks MSU is not worth ANY hype at all? Its not like they can be tons better than last year. Its schedule strength and barely getting by teams on trick plays. They are not a top 10 team.

  
  Kind alike LSU - play in a tough conference and get by on trick plays and luck. If LSU had a QB that could throw the ball around, maybe they would be legit.
• sjmvsfscs08

  Cleveland Buck;532387 wrote:The difference is that Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan are better than anyone Boise will play in conference. Wisconsin, Iowa, and possible Miami are better than anyone Boise will have played all year. Purdue and Indiana are better than every WAC team except for Boise State and Nevada. Because you say they suck does not make it fact. Look at the Purdue game last year to see what happens in the Big Ten if you sleepwalk into a conference game. Do you think if Boise came out flat that they could lose to New Mexico State or Idaho? They could play their backups the whole game and win by 30. Boise doesn't even have to gameplan to beat their conference opponents.

  
  Hawai'i is better than Indiana and Purdue. Purdue, since losing their QB and WR, is freakin' terrible. Boise State's Virginia Tech win may be better than Miami, we shall see. Oregon State was very solid before unfortunate injuries. Nevada is solid, Hawaii's offense is verrrry good. Now I'm in no way saying Boise State's schedule is better than Ohio State's Big Ten schedule, but I do think Boise State could blow out Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, Marshall, Ohio, etc just like Ohio State did. It's very arguable they'd be undefeated at this point, since the common opponent with Wisconsin Boise State raped and Wisconsin has issues with. If Virginia Tech beats Miami it only helps Boise State's argument in this case.
• enigmaax

  -Society-;532434 wrote:I guess we found out LSU wasn't worth the hype.

  
  Not that it is relevant to cats' post anyway, but I'm not sure how losing by 1 TD in the last 5 minutes to the #1 team means you aren't "worth the hype".
• enigmaax

  sjmvsfscs08;532507 wrote:Hawai'i is better than Indiana and Purdue. Purdue, since losing their QB and WR, is freakin' terrible. Boise State's Virginia Tech win may be better than Miami, we shall see. Oregon State was very solid before unfortunate injuries. Nevada is solid, Hawaii's offense is verrrry good. Now I'm in no way saying Boise State's schedule is better than Ohio State's Big Ten schedule, but I do think Boise State could blow out Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, Marshall, Ohio, etc just like Ohio State did. It's very arguable they'd be undefeated at this point, since the common opponent with Wisconsin Boise State raped and Wisconsin has issues with. If Virginia Tech beats Miami it only helps Boise State's argument in this case.

  Wait, didn't Purdue beat Northwestern, who was undefeated at the time, without their QB?
  
  And if Hawaii is so good, and they're so much better than Purdue, why'd they lose to habitual bottom dweller Colorado so soundly?
• ytownfootball

  

  The irony of cats not giving respect to Sparty based on "trick" plays is utterly priceless.
• sjmvsfscs08

  enigmaax;532516 wrote:Wait, didn't Purdue beat Northwestern, who was undefeated at the time, without their QB?
  
  And if Hawaii is so good, and they're so much better than Purdue, why'd they lose to habitual bottom dweller Colorado so soundly?

  
  Because they're college kids and often inconsistent.? Besides, Northwestern beat Minnesota the previous week by one point, Central Michigan before that by five, and Vanderbilt in the opener by two; hardly what saying "an undefeated team" insinuates. I think Hawaii beats Purdue though more times than not, I think their aerial attack would have the Boilermakers beat.
• Little Danny

  

  sjmvsfscs08;531773 wrote:1a- Auburn
  1b- Boise State
  3- Oregon
  4- Texas Christian
  
  
  5- Missouri
  
  6- Utah
  7- Michigan State
  
  I think Auburn and Boise State are the best two teams in the country. Oregon got handled last season by a Boise State team that returned 21/22 starters, I hope they meet in the national championship. Lord knows, if Ohio State and Michigan were #1/#2 a year after Ohio State stomped them and returned 21/22 starters, they wouldn't worry all season because they'd think they were the better team too. I think the only argument an Oregon fan has is that LaMichael James wasn't the star in that game last season, and it's a big argument.
  
  Texas Christian has looked more impressive in their games against common opponents than the traditional Big XII powers have. They are tough as shit, but also lost to Boise State last season.
  
  Auburn looks good, but I think the SEC is pretty overrated this season. Cam Newton is a G, on more than one level, and their victories are credible. I'm just not completely sold.

  
  
  In fairness to the Ducks, the final score of that game was 19-8 in what was Chip Kelly's first game as head coach at Oregon. I realize he was OC the year before, but it still takes a little time for a team to adjust to a new staff and scheme when there are coaching changes. That game was also at BSU and that place a mad house that night. I think this year's Oregon's squad is a lot better than last year's if not for anything else but total buy in and familiarity with Kelly's system. I would think on a neutral field they beat the Broncos more often than not.
• vball10set

  cats gone wild;532415 wrote:Am I the only one that thinks MSU is not worth ANY hype at all? .

  
  
  
  yes, because you're an idiot
• enigmaax

  sjmvsfscs08;532523 wrote:Because they're college kids and often inconsistent.? Besides, Northwestern beat Minnesota the previous week by one point, Central Michigan before that by five, and Vanderbilt in the opener by two; hardly what saying "an undefeated team" insinuates. I think Hawaii beats Purdue though more times than not, I think their aerial attack would have the Boilermakers beat.

  
  Wow, I mean that mean green passin machine that put up nearly half of their season yards in three wins against teams with a combined 7 wins on the season. Yep, they sure are inconsistent. So wouldn't consistently winning mean a lot more than inconsistently winning and losing?
• redfalcon

  

  Oregon
  Auburn
  TCU
  Boise
  Missouri
  Michigan State
  Utah
• sjmvsfscs08

  enigmaax;532598 wrote:Wow, I mean that mean green passin machine that put up nearly half of their season yards in three wins against teams with a combined 7 wins on the season. Yep, they sure are inconsistent. So wouldn't consistently winning mean a lot more than inconsistently winning and losing?

  
  Agree to disagree, okay? They won't play each other so it's moot. Ohio State's Big ten schedule isn't much to brag about, just admit it.
• OQB

  

  1. Boise
  2. Oregon
  3. Auburn
  4. TCU
  5. Michigan St.
  6. Utah
  7. Missouri
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Ohio State's schedule may not be in the top 10 most difficult, especially because they missed Michigan State this year, but it is in another world compared to Boise State's schedule. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.
• enigmaax

  sjmvsfscs08;532658 wrote:Agree to disagree, okay? They won't play each other so it's moot. Ohio State's Big ten schedule isn't much to brag about, just admit it.

  
  Sure. And I can admit that OSU's schedule including the Big Ten isn't great.....compared to say, Alabama. Or Auburn. But Boise State? I mean, are people really now going to start trying to sell Hawaii and Fresno and Nevada as legit just to sell Boise as legit? Let's say we give you the Boise-in-the-last-six-years argument with their one or two good wins in that time. What has Hawaii done (Georgia ring a bell)? What has Fresno done (they'll play anyone in a BCS conference...and go about 4-9 in the process)? What has Nevada done? But now we're supposed to take those teams as evidence that Boise is legit? Pick any angle you want, but you can't have it both ways from every angle.