Rank The Undefeateds

• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;533466 wrote:And I never realized that the rankings are the end in all in a discussion about who is the better team. So I assume you completely agree with the rankings of teams 1-25 ?
  VaTech maybe ranked higher and have a better record...but fact remains, that Oregon State played Boise MUCH tougher, on Boise home field. And Oregon State also has a win over Arizona, and played TCU to a fairly close game as well.
  Sorry, but I'll take Oregon State over VaTech...easily.

  
  
  I didn't say that I agree with spots 1-25 did I? How do you figure Oregon State played Boise MUCH tougher? Did you not watch the Va Tech/Boise game? Did Oregon State hold a lead with under 5 minutes left in the game? In what way did Oregon State play MUCH better than Va Tech did?
• karen lotz

  

  SportsAndLady;533472 wrote:Wow Karen, wow.
  
  James Madison is an FCS opponent, Purdue plays in an FBS AQ league.
  
  And really, basing your logic off rankings?

  My point is that weird shit happens in college football. I'm not saying it wasn't a HORRIBLE loss by Va Tech, but to say that Oregon State is better than Va Tech because of the James Madison game is wrong.
• SportsAndLady

  

  karen lotz;533485 wrote:My point is that weird shit happens in college football. I'm not saying it wasn't a HORRIBLE loss by Va Tech, but to say that Oregon State is better than Va Tech because of the James Madison game is wrong.

  
  If you don't think Oregon State is better than Va Tech, you are retarded.
• karen lotz

  

  SportsAndLady;533502 wrote:If you don't think Oregon State is better than Va Tech, you are retarded.

  
  Why? Because you say so?
• centralbucksfan

  karen lotz;533485 wrote:My point is that weird shit happens in college football. I'm not saying it wasn't a HORRIBLE loss by Va Tech, but to say that Oregon State is better than Va Tech because of the James Madison game is wrong.

  
  Actually you maybe correct about VaTech playing a little closer. But they were still on their home turf, Oregon St @ Boise. That being said, I still say that Oregon State is better. And no matter what you may think, losing to a team like James Madison does make a significant impact/impression on just how good a team is. Its a POOR loss. Couple that with Oregon State win over a then top 10 team in Arizona as well as playing another top 5 team close...and yes, that can be interpreted on who the better team is.
• sjmvsfscs08

  sleeper;533440 wrote:Honestly I'd say Michigan State is the best undefeated left, but I could see them either winning it all or losing the next 10 games in a row.
  
  They'd win the SEC though.

  
  So the team that had them beat only to lose on an unpenalized fake, in overtime no less, can't be that bad can they?
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;533526 wrote:Actually you maybe correct about VaTech playing a little closer. But they were still on their home turf, Oregon St @ Boise. That being said, I still say that Oregon State is better. And no matter what you may think, losing to a team like James Madison does make a significant impact/impression on just how good a team is. Its a POOR loss. Couple that with Oregon State win over a then top 10 team in Arizona as well as playing another top 5 team close...and yes, that can be interpreted on who the better team is.

  Oregon State also lost to Washington, who lost to a BAD BYU team to open the season. BYU got housed by Utah State.
• SportsAndLady

  

  karen lotz;533584 wrote:Oregon State also lost to Washington, who lost to...

  
  That is the WORST argument for determining which teams are better.
• karen lotz

  

  SportsAndLady;533590 wrote:That is the WORST argument for determining which teams are better.

  
  Not the worst, but not the best either. But you still haven't said anything that proves Oregon State to be better. They played Boise State close?
• sjmvsfscs08

  and played TCU close, and beat Arizona (ranked #9 at the time).
• karen lotz

  

  and lost to Washington. It was close though.
• sjmvsfscs08

  For the record I think they're both fine teams. Oregon State is injured and it has wreck them more or less. Virginia Tech will rebound.
• SportsAndLady

  

  karen lotz;533598 wrote:Not the worst, but not the best either. But you still haven't said anything that proves Oregon State to be better. They played Boise State close?

  
  Yes I have but I'll repeat. Va Tech lost (virtually) at home to Boise State. They then lost to FCS opponent James Madison, who is not lighting up FCS by the way--they are 4-3. They then played 6 teams that are not very good. Central Michigan, East Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, and NC State. NC State on the road is there big win on the season. That is sad.
  
  Oregon State's schedule, excluding Louisville and maybe Arizona State, is occupied with teams that I would argue are better than every team on Va Tech's schedule. They beat at-the-time #9 Arizona--now #15-- on the road. They lost to #3 Boise State on the road by 13 points. They lost on a neutral field to at-the-time #6 TCU--now #4-- by 9 points. They then lost on the road to Washington in double OT by 1 point. Washington is also no world-beater, but it is not a terrible loss.
  
  I'm not trying to say Oregon State is a very good team. They are a solid team who have played one of the tougher schedules in the country and have had some close games with decent wins. All I'm trying to say is their schedule and results make them better than Va Tech's schedule and results. And this is just completely subjective, but if you watch both teams, you can clearly see the difference in skill level amongst the two teams. I won't add that as a part of my argument, because it has no credibility, but just sayin.
• sherm03

  

  sjmvsfscs08;533550 wrote:So the team that had them beat only to lose on an unpenalized fake, in overtime no less, can't be that bad can they?

  
  I like that sleeper has completely ignored this post.
  
  LOL.
• sleeper

  

  Not ignoring it, I have a life, I don't sit on my computer 24 hours a day waiting to respond to delusional ND homers who still think this is 1950 and ND is actually relevant to college football.
  
  It's pretty sad that instead of talking about wins, ND fans would rather talk about recruiting(proven worthless), their NBC contract, and the fact that people still talk about them because that's what relevant means :rolleyes:
• sherm03

  

  sleeper;534210 wrote:Not ignoring it, I have a life, I don't sit on my computer 24 hours a day waiting to respond to delusional ND homers who still think this is 1950 and ND is actually relevant to college football.
  
  It's pretty sad that instead of talking about wins, ND fans would rather talk about recruiting(proven worthless), their NBC contract, and the fact that people still talk about them because that's what relevant means :rolleyes:

  And nowhere in that rehash of all your same old crap (you forgot to mention enjoying 6-6 and our bowl loss by the way) did you even acknowledge the question from sj.
  
  If Michigan State is the best undefeated team in the country...in your opinion...then ND must not be as bad as you say they are. After all, Michigan State needed OT...plus an extra second...and a fake FG to beat them.
• sleeper

  

  ND played the game of their life, probably their best game in 20 years while Michigan State had a MAJOR hiccup.
  
  There I addressed the question, happy? Enjoy your bowl loss.
• sherm03

  

  Much better.
  
  
  Thank you.
• Leonardo

  

  1. Auburn
  2. Oregon
  3. Boise State
  4. Missouri
  5. TCU
  6. Michigan State
  7. Utah
• dwccrew

  

  Cleveland Buck;532882 wrote:There is a reason they never have an off game, and it is the reason many argue they don't deserve to play for the national championship. They only play 1 or 2 real games a season. They can spend every minute of practice time preparing for those games because their other 10 games are a joke. It simply isn't fair to a team like Ohio State or Alabama to be left out of the title game in favor of Boise State when they have those advantages. I bet Ohio State puts up a better showing in Madison if they had several weeks to prepare for it, with scrimmages against New Mexico State and Louisiana Tech thrown in there.

  While your point is valid, I still watch Boise St. and they execute with precision. They are attempting to schedule tougher teams, they can't help that they're in the WAC currently. Even some of the best teams have off games against terrible competition, BSU doesn't. They destroy everyone.
  

  centralbucksfan;533315 wrote:Would that be the same team that lost to James Madison?

  
  That was a pathetic loss, however, I don't think a fluke loss can determine if VA Tech is better or worse than Oregon St.
  

  karen lotz;533485 wrote:My point is that weird shit happens in college football. I'm not saying it wasn't a HORRIBLE loss by Va Tech, but to say that Oregon State is better than Va Tech because of the James Madison game is wrong.

  
  I agree.
  

  sjmvsfscs08;533605 wrote:and played TCU close, and beat Arizona (ranked #9 at the time).

  
  VA Tech was #10 at the time they were beaten by Boise St. What someone was ranked at the time they were beat doesn't matter, what matters is where they end up ranked.
• sjmvsfscs08

  sleeper;534333 wrote:ND played the game of their life, probably their best game in 20 years while Michigan State had a MAJOR hiccup.

  
  Hiccup, eh? Do you say that every time a team you like loses? "They didn't show up to beat Florida" is a great line from you as well. Hmmmmmmm......
• sleeper

  

  sjmvsfscs08;534399 wrote:Hiccup, eh? Do you say that every time a team you like loses? "They didn't show up to beat Florida" is a great line from you as well. Hmmmmmmm......

  
  Last time I checked, I don't like Michigan State.
  
  And, pretty sure any rational college football fan knows the Florida game was an anomaly. If Ohio State doesn't lose Ginn, they win the game. It is a known and PROVEN fact that every time Ginn touched the ball he scored a touchdown.
• sjmvsfscs08

  sleeper;534406 wrote:It is a known and PROVEN fact that every time Ginn touched the ball he scored a touchdown.

  
  This is the first time I'm actually convinced you're saying all of these things for show.