Tressel wishes we had more balls

• FatHobbit

  

  I was listening to Tressel's call in show at lunch and someone asked why Berry wasn't getting more touches. I'm paraphrasing, but Tressel said that there was only one ball. We want to pass it x amount of times, we want the QB to run y amount of times and we want Boom and Zoom to get z amount of touches. "I wish we had more balls." He then chuckled and said that sounds really bad.
  
  LMAO
• thedynasty1998

  

  In regards to his comments, that's just an excuse. I hate coach talk when they say stuff like that. Just say, we think Boom and Zoom are better, or Berry will get his carries in the future, or whatever it is. What he said just doesn't answer the question.
• se-alum

  

  I just wish Tress had bigger balls...
• devil1197

  Some people will just never be satisfied.
  
  I guess we could go back to the Cooper era if you'd like.
• FatHobbit

  

  devil1197;508201 wrote:Some people will just never be satisfied.
  
  I guess we could go back to the Cooper era if you'd like.

  
  I'm not complaining at all. I just thought it was funny to hear Tressel say he wishes we had more balls.
• dat dude

  Why Berry doesn't get more touches is a great question. Tressel is definitely loyal to a fault. We know what we have with Boom, let's give Berry a chance to be a gamebreaker.
• thedynasty1998

  

  devil1197;508201 wrote:Some people will just never be satisfied.
  
  I guess we could go back to the Cooper era if you'd like.

  
  You would be lying if you said you were satisfied with the running game. It is absolutely atrocious right now if you take away Pryor's contributions. If you have two guys performing poorly, of course you are going to have questions about giving someone else a shot who has shown promise in the few opportunities he has been given.
• BoatShoes

  There must be a reason that Hall and Berry aren't getting touches. Tress had no problem giving the ball to Reecie over Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall when he was a freshman. I don't think he's loyal to a fault. We don't see practice every day. There are plenty of examples when he has spurned loyalty for younger players. Curtis Terry played a substantial role in the 2006 National Championship game but was relegated to obscurity as a fullback the next season who hardly saw the field.
  
  All I heard all summer is how we need to make sure Saine gets the ball because Herron isn't explosive enough and now Saine is chopped liver.
  
  As far as I'm concerned I'd like to see this line of ours with highly touted guys at every spot but right guard blow a 7 man front off the ball to the point where it doesn't matter who's running the ball...at least once.
  
  I mean, Boom had nearly 100 yards splitting carries with Pryor and saine...what do we want???
• Pick6

  

  I think it starts and ends with the O line. Just watch Alabama with Ingram and Richardson (and no I am not trying to say Saine and Herron are as good as them), they hardly ever get touched until they atleast get to the second tier of the defense. Its alot easier to make guys miss when you are in some space.
• se-alum

  

  BoatShoes;508223 wrote:There must be a reason that Hall and Berry aren't getting touches. Tress had no problem giving the ball to Reecie over Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall when he was a freshman. I don't think he's loyal to a fault. We don't see practice every day. There are plenty of examples when he has spurned loyalty for younger players. Curtis Terry played a substantial role in the 2006 National Championship game but was relegated to obscurity as a fullback the next season who hardly saw the field.
  
  All I heard all summer is how we need to make sure Saine gets the ball because Herron isn't explosive enough and now Saine is chopped liver.
  
  As far as I'm concerned I'd like to see this line of ours with highly touted guys at every spot but right guard blow a 7 man front off the ball to the point where it doesn't matter who's running the ball...at least once.
  
  I mean, Boom had nearly 100 yards splitting carries with Pryor and saine...what do we want???

  
  I just want a big play threat out of the backfield.
• FatHobbit

  

  BoatShoes;508223 wrote:All I heard all summer is how we need to make sure Saine gets the ball because Herron isn't explosive enough and now Saine is chopped liver.

  I agree with that.
  

  BoatShoes;508223 wrote:I mean, Boom had nearly 100 yards splitting carries with Pryor and saine...what do we want???

  
  Apparently more than 4.4 yards a carry.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;508220 wrote:You would be lying if you said you were satisfied with the running game. It is absolutely atrocious right now if you take away Pryor's contributions. If you have two guys performing poorly, of course you are going to have questions about giving someone else a shot who has shown promise in the few opportunities he has been given.

  
  #2 ranking and undefeated. Running game is good enough for me! Nice fail idiot.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Pick6;508226 wrote:I think it starts and ends with the O line. Just watch Alabama with Ingram and Richardson (and no I am not trying to say Saine and Herron are as good as them), they hardly ever get touched until they atleast get to the second tier of the defense. Its alot easier to make guys miss when you are in some space.

  
  That's a good point and I absolutely think a lot of it falls on the offensive line, but also look at how quick Ingram and Richardson see the hole and hit the hole. Saine and Herron just seem to take forever to get there and just can't decide what angles to take.
  
  Look at Beanie his last year. He went for over 100 every game, but the games he missed the running game was abysmal. It was the same offensive line, but the backs just weren't hitting the holes the way Beanie did.
• FatHobbit

  

  thedynasty1998;508242 wrote:Look at Beanie his last year. He went for over 100 every game, but the games he missed the running game was abysmal. It was the same offensive line, but the backs just weren't hitting the holes the way Beanie did.

  
  The same thing happened with Clarett. When he was in there the line was great. When Mo Hall and Lydell went in, suddenly the line sucked. And then they all (or at least most) got drafted and went onto the NFL.
  
  I think sometimes a great back can make the line look much better.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Commander of Awesome;508235 wrote:#2 ranking and undefeated. Running game is good enough for me! Nice fail idiot.

  
  Okay stalker. If 109 carries for 470 yards is good enough for you, against Marshall, Miami, E. Michigan, OU and Illinois, then fine.
• BoatShoes

  Pick6;508226 wrote:I think it starts and ends with the O line. Just watch Alabama with Ingram and Richardson (and no I am not trying to say Saine and Herron are as good as them), they hardly ever get touched until they atleast get to the second tier of the defense. Its alot easier to make guys miss when you are in some space.

  
  I agree with this. I mean, I can remember when Michigan played Florida in Lloyd Carr's last game and Justin Boren reach blocking a guy shaded beyond his outside arm one of Michigan's famous zone runs that they ran back in those days and he handled him on his own, got leverage and shoved him to the ground getting us a touchdown.
  
  Tressel's favorite play is what he calls the Dave where he pulls the guard like on a power but the run heads into the A gap. I have yet to see Boren exhibit the force on that play that he did on those zone runs at Michigan...I dunno. Maybe we don't give the Big Ten (even Illinois) enough credit....Against Oregon and Texas the last two years it seemed like we got more push out of our line to me. Last saturday I just think they looked slow and weak. JMO.
  
  Sure, I don't think Saine's vision is that good and he doesn't have a lot of shiftyness...but when the playside guard is blown into the backfield my question isn't "why don't we have a superstar who can turn this busted play into something (even though that maybe should be expected at tOSU)," it's "Why can't the guard at least hold the line of scrimmage?"
  
  Tressel's play calling is boring but damn...I can see him saying, "This is our bread and butter play and dammit I want you to get us 5 yards on it for once because we're not going to win the MNC if it's getting stuffed in the backfield."
• 0311sdp

  I think it's a combination of the O-Line has not lived up to expectations and Boom and Zoom are not Beanie Wells or Antonip Pittman, or Clarett. I would like to see Berry and Hyde, and maybe even Hall get a few meaningful carries just to see if they are better. I like Hyde just because of the size and power on those 3rd and 1 plays, Berry and Hall have shown much more quickness to the hole than Saine and Herron although Herron ran very well in the 4th Quarter Sat. when everyone in the house knew he was carrying the ball every play, the O-Line deservews some credit for that also. Last season the running game got better as the season went on, let's hope this year will too.
• Big Gain

  Coaches aren't required to say anything of substance, as a matter of fact they are disallowed for saying many things concerning their players and team. MOST of all, fans have no right to expect coaches to tell them anything.
  
  What's hilarious is, before the season the same know nothing nobodies on here were praising Saine, wanting him to get 90% of the touches and hating Herron.
• dat dude

  FatHobbit;508232 wrote:I agree with that.
  
  
  
  Apparently more than 4.4 yards a carry.

  
  4.4 ypc isn't very good for a college running back. Take a look at the top rushers in the nation: http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2010/group/80
  
  Most average between 5.5 - 7.0 ypc. Like I said, we know what we have with Boom Herron - a guy who will get 4 yard carries mixed in with a 14 yard outburst. I'd just like to see what Hall or Berry can do given the chance. A big play threat at RB would be huge a huge weapon for OSU.
  
  Also, keep in mind OSU has played the 99th toughest SOS according to Jeff Sagarin, one of the worst in the top 25. Its not like Herron has been going against difficult defenses.
• sleeper

  

  I don't really question Tressel anymore, we all know what he's like and he wins games so who cares? He's the best coach in college football, well the best coach who doesn't cheat like the entire SEC.
• se-alum

  

  FatHobbit;508245 wrote:The same thing happened with Clarett. When he was in there the line was great. When Mo Hall and Lydell went in, suddenly the line sucked. And then they all (or at least most) got drafted and went onto the NFL.
  
  I think sometimes a great back can make the line look much better.

  An offensive line is never going to look good without a good/great back. It's not like d-lines are getting through and stopping Saine in the backfield, he's just not finding the holes. How many times have we seen Saine or Herron cut back side on a run?? Never! The hole is rarely where it's supposed to be, especially when you're against a good defense. The back has to be able to find the hole and hit it quick. Herron is ok at it, Saine is terrible!
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;508246 wrote:Okay stalker. If 109 carries for 470 yards is good enough for you, against Marshall, Miami, E. Michigan, OU and Illinois, then fine.

  
  A win is always good enough for me.
• FatHobbit

  

  dat dude;508272 wrote:4.4 ypc isn't very good for a college running back. Take a look at the top rushers in the nation: http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2010/group/80
  
  Most average between 5.5 - 7.0 ypc. Like I said, we know what we have with Boom Herron - a guy who will get 4 yard carries mixed in with a 14 yard outburst. I'd just like to see what Hall or Berry can do given the chance. A big play threat at RB would be huge a huge weapon for OSU.

  
  I was being sincere when I said we want someone who runs for more than 4.4 yards/carry. I'm not sure the other guys could do any better, but I agree that we need to get more production out of our tailbacks.
  
  Although I was looking at past years and as a team this is a pretty good year for OSU (we haven't really gotten into conference play yet, so I imagine this years numbers will come down)
  
  2010 - 13th nationally - 234 yards/game
  2009 - 17th nationally - 195 yards/game
  2008 - 22nd nationally - 192 yards/game
  2007 - 25th nationally - 196 yards/game
  2006 - 23rd nationally - 169 yards/game
  2005 - 21st nationally - 196 yarsd/game
  2004 - 62nd nationally - 145 yards/game
• thedynasty1998

  

  Like what was mentioned above, the biggest disappointment is that the sub par numbers have come against very poor competition.
• thedynasty1998

  

  FatHobbit;508282 wrote:I was being sincere when I said we want someone who runs for more than 4.4 yards/carry. I'm not sure the other guys could do any better, but I agree that we need to get more production out of our tailbacks.
  
  Although I was looking at past years and as a team this is a pretty good year for OSU (we haven't really gotten into conference play yet, so I imagine this years numbers will come down)
  
  2010 - 13th nationally - 234 yards/game
  2009 - 17th nationally - 195 yards/game
  2008 - 22nd nationally - 192 yards/game
  2007 - 25th nationally - 196 yards/game
  2006 - 23rd nationally - 169 yards/game
  2005 - 21st nationally - 196 yarsd/game
  2004 - 62nd nationally - 145 yards/game

  
  You kind of have to take Pryor out of the equation. No one is questioning his effectiveness running the ball, and he is the one that inflates the overall statistics.