Tressel wishes we had more balls

• vball10set

  thedynasty1998;508152 wrote:What he said just doesn't answer the question.

  lol-you just wrapped up the Senator in one sentence....this has been his MO ever since he arrived in Cbus
• FatHobbit

  

  thedynasty1998;508286 wrote:You kind of have to take Pryor out of the equation. No one is questioning his effectiveness running the ball, and he is the one that inflates the overall statistics.

  
  I agree that we need more production out of the running backs. But if you take Pryor out of the equation you have to be able to add in carries for the tailbacks and I'm not sure you can do that just by multiplying their yards/carry. You could argue that the backs would be better with more carries. You could also argue that the backs are better now because opposing defenses have to account for Pryor and for the most part can't just try to stop the run by defending the backs.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  If you are getting hit in the backfield, then the offensive line isn't doing their job. After that, the running back is responsible for gaining yards. Herron has much better vision than Saine, and finds many of the holes Saine doesn't. Herron's problem is that he goes down much too easily most of the time.
  
  In limited time, Jordan Hall is the most complete runner Ohio State has right now that I have seen. He has the vision to find a hole, the quickness to hit it, and can run through an arm tackle. He has a 5.2 yards-per-carry average in his career. You can say he was playing against backups (though he has been in with the first team several times in his career), or you could say that his carries came at the end of games when teams knew exactly when and where he was getting the ball and he still gained yards. Whatever, his YPC is still far superior to Herron or Saine, and there is no excuse for him not to see the field in a game where we couldn't run until the final drive, and we couldn't throw because Pryor was hurt.
• devil1197

  I love it.
  
  Let's take every teams best rusher out of the equation and then see how their rushing attack looks.
  
  Fact is our best athlete, QB, and RB is Terrelle Pryor. He was the top recruit for a reason, you simply cannot take him out of the running equation because he IS a part of it.
• jordo212000

  

  This is Tress, he has two upperclassmen and he is going to give them every opportunity to succeed. Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason for the things that he does. (Last season Saine was doing far better on YPC, but he was still getting the same amount of touches as the far less explosive Herron).
• ytownfootball

  

  Maybe, just maybe, Hyde, Hall and Berry are prone to fumble in practice, maybe they don't quite have a firm grasp on the entire offensive set, maybe they don't block as well, fact is no one on this board sits through all the practices like the actual coaching staff does.
  
  take Pryor out of the equation...S M H
• jordo212000

  

  ytownfootball;508708 wrote:Maybe, just maybe, Hyde, Hall and Berry are prone to fumble in practice, maybe they don't quite have a firm grasp on the entire offensive set, maybe they don't block as well, fact is no one on this board sits through all the practices like the actual coaching staff does.

  
  True, but Berry has also averaged 11.8 yards per carry in his limited amount of PT. Pretty impressive, no? Why can't we see if those numbers are a fluke and give him more touches?
• Hb31187

  

  devil1197;508599 wrote:I love it.
  
  Let's take every teams best rusher out of the equation and then see how their rushing attack looks.
  
  Fact is our best athlete, QB, and RB is Terrelle Pryor. He was the top recruit for a reason, you simply cannot take him out of the running equation because he IS a part of it.

  
  The argument was about the Oline creating holes and the RB's hitting the holes and reading them. With Pryor few of his rushing yards are off designed runs but instead broken plays where he scrambles. He doesnt have to hit the holes then because thep lay has broken down and hes outside of the pocket usually. Thats the only reason someone suggested taking TP out of the equation, its completely understandable and relevant.
• ytownfootball

  

  There's a reason why those fellas aren't getting touches, especially in a game that was obviously closer than we would have liked. I'm content to let Tressel play who he thinks offers us the best chance at winning the game, whether it be by 10 or 50. They'll get their chance. We aren't going to be scoring 73 every week and he's pretty content with Pryor being the break away threat when needed, why can't everyone else?
  
  and hb...the 66 yarder this week was in fact a designed run
• Hb31187

  

  I know it was, i said most of his yards are off scrambles, not all
• ytownfootball

  

  I actually think most of his yards will come from designed runs rather than scrambles this year, unlike the last two years, which was the only reason I pointed it out. I think Tressel knows he can get the big run from him if he needs too, and is content to run Saine/Herron while controlling the clock. People seem to think we need to throw the book at every team we face and not run the same play twice in a game...that's just not how JT coaches.
  
  We saw some razzle dazzle in the EMU game, now he'll go back to lulling the opponents to sleep until he needs to go past page 9 of the play book. Every year we get the "show us you have what it takes " crowd chirping about playing this guy or playing that guy, or throwing the deep ball yada yada yada...it's all about timing and wins. He's fine on both counts, just fine.
• devil1197

  Hb31187;508753 wrote:The argument was about the Oline creating holes and the RB's hitting the holes and reading them. With Pryor few of his rushing yards are off designed runs but instead broken plays where he scrambles. He doesnt have to hit the holes then because thep lay has broken down and hes outside of the pocket usually. Thats the only reason someone suggested taking TP out of the equation, its completely understandable and relevant.

  
  Pryor's big run against Illinois was designed, not a scramble.
  
  There are some plays where he scrambles, but most are read options, QB draws or designed runs this season. He rarely scrambles as he is now more patient waiting for his WR's to get open. Previous seasons he would just bolt and scramble.
• Big Gain

  thedynasty1998;508286 wrote:You kind of have to take Pryor out of the equation. No one is questioning his effectiveness running the ball, and he is the one that inflates the overall statistics.

  
  WHAT???????????????????????
  
  Then why not take Robinson "out of the equation" for Michigan???
• Big Gain

  Hb31187;508836 wrote:I know it was, i said most of his yards are off scrambles, not all

  The play Pryor was injured on was a designed run. He said he thought it was going to be a 50 yarder until he heard and felt his quad pop.
• Big Gain

  Cleveland Buck;508579 wrote:If you are getting hit in the backfield, then the offensive line isn't doing their job. After that, the running back is responsible for gaining yards. Herron has much better vision than Saine, and finds many of the holes Saine doesn't. Herron's problem is that he goes down much too easily most of the time.
  
  In limited time, Jordan Hall is the most complete runner Ohio State has right now that I have seen. He has the vision to find a hole, the quickness to hit it, and can run through an arm tackle. He has a 5.2 yards-per-carry average in his career. You can say he was playing against backups (though he has been in with the first team several times in his career), or you could say that his carries came at the end of games when teams knew exactly when and where he was getting the ball and he still gained yards. Whatever, his YPC is still far superior to Herron or Saine, and there is no excuse for him not to see the field in a game where we couldn't run until the final drive, and we couldn't throw because Pryor was hurt.

  
  Your thinking is flawed. How many plays do you suppose Hall, Berry or Hyde get in practice with the #1 offense when they're putting in their game plan for that week's coming opponent? Herron and Saine MUST get 99%, they're the #1 and #2 tailbacks. A coach NEVER EVER splits the time by thirds between 3 backs. If you want Hall to get a significant number of carries early in the game then you have to sit Saine or Herron during the week. One week of practice getting 50% of the plays with the #1 offense still won't get him enough time. He's WAY WAY behind Herron and Saine as far as experience is concerned. I've seen Hall pass block when he's been in the game, it's not pretty. ALSO, don't forget Saine has the second best set of hands on the team when it comes to catching passes.
• hoops23

  

  thedynasty1998;508286 wrote:You kind of have to take Pryor out of the equation. No one is questioning his effectiveness running the ball, and he is the one that inflates the overall statistics.

  
  LOL, no you don't. TP is a big part of the rushing attack we put in place.. That's like saying you have to take Denard Robinson out of the equation when talking about Michigan's running game.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Big Gain;508922 wrote:Your thinking is flawed. How many plays do you suppose Hall, Berry or Hyde get in practice with the #1 offense when they're putting in their game plan for that week's coming opponent? Herron and Saine MUST get 99%, they're the #1 and #2 tailbacks. A coach NEVER EVER splits the time by thirds between 3 backs. If you want Hall to get a significant number of carries early in the game then you have to sit Saine or Herron during the week. One week of practice getting 50% of the plays with the #1 offense still won't get him enough time. He's WAY WAY behind Herron and Saine as far as experience is concerned. I've seen Hall pass block when he's been in the game, it's not pretty. ALSO, don't forget Saine has the second best set of hands on the team when it comes to catching passes.

  
  Then put Saine at WR and give Hall his reps in practice and carries in games.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Okay, don't take Pryor out of the equation and talk about what we were talking about, which is the running backs.
  
  People say maybe Hall doesn't get carries because he might be fumble prone, yet Tressel said the other day that he has 1000% confidence in Hall.
• captvern

  If they have a fumble problem why are they returning kicks and punts?
• Tiernan

  Bucks have a RB problem right now no matter who is back there. Any one of the 4 are serviceable but neither of them is clearly dominant. I believe Saine & Herron are ahead of Hall & Berry but not by as much as they probably should be for 3rd yr players. Tress went into his patented "coach speak" mode cuz he knows this as well. If something doesn't improve quickly with the running game the NC hopes are gone. What I'm really afraid of is the existing RB status may just be good enough to get us through the Big 10 unscathed (unlikely but possible). Then we would get our ass handed to us again in the NC by most likely another SEC team and I'd rather lose early than have that happen again.
• FatHobbit

  

  Tiernan;509459 wrote:I'd rather lose early than have that happen again.

  
  You can't win it, if you're not playing in it. I want to find out just how good we are. (or aren't)
• thedynasty1998

  

  I do think Alabama is better than OSU (and maybe even Nebraska), but that doesn't mean OSU can't beat them and doesn't want the chance to. They certainly wouldn't be as over matched as the year they played LSU.
• Big Gain

  Cleveland Buck;509055 wrote:Then put Saine at WR and give Hall his reps in practice and carries in games.

  
  Who are you going to sit? Posey or Sanzenbacher?? Saine at tailback puts the three best receivers on the field at the same time.
  
  If Saine or Herron breaks a leg tomorrow I'd MUCH prefer to see Berry instead of Hall. Berry is bigger, faster and has more moves.
• dwccrew

  

  I wouldn't trade Tressel for anyone, but I do wish he'd take a few more risks. You can't win the national title without going against the grain every once in a while.