Notre Dame is screwed no matter who the coach is.

• Mr Pat

  Redfalcon, Notre Dame is team full of seniors? Please list these seniors and get back to us.
• redfalcon

  

  Mr Pat wrote: Redfalcon, Notre Dame is team full of seniors? Please list these seniors and get back to us.

  You, sir, are an idiot.
  
  Darrin walls
  Ray herring
  Raeshon mcneil
  Evan sharpley
  George west jr.
  Barry gallup jr.
  Brian coughlin
  Leonard gordon
  Kyle mccarthy
  Sergio brown
  Mike anello
  James aldridge
  Chris bathon
  Scott smith
  Dan franco
  Eric maust
  Mike narvaez
  Toryan smith
  Dan wenger
  Morrice richardson
  Eric olsen
  Chris stewart
  Martin quintana
  Paul duncan
  Sam young
  Robby parris
  San vos
  Bobby burger
  John ryan
  Paddy mullen
  Kallen wade
  
  Of these 31 seniors, 25 of them are gone for sure, as they are out of eligability. This also doesn't include the juniors who may leave.
  
  According to espn, notre dame is tied for the highest graduation rate this year.
  
  Now how about you shut your damn mouth since you don't have a clue what you are talking about and go make me a sammich.
• Mr Pat

  http://notredame.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp (that's the depth chart)
  http://www.uhnd.com/blog/notre-dame-recruiting/notre-dame-2010/ (info on 5th years
  
  Darrin walls- back up corner (can apply for a 5th year)
  Ray herring- number 3 strong safety
  Raeshon mcneil- backup corner
  Evan sharpley- 3rd string QB
  George west jr.- Not even on the depth chart
  Barry gallup jr.- Not even on the depth chart (can apply for 5th year)
  Brian coughlin - Not even on the depth chart
  Leonard gordon - number 4 strong safety (can apply for 5th year)
  Kyle mccarthy - starter
  Sergio brown - starter
  Mike anello - special teams only
  James aldridge - Beat out by every RB so moved to full back
  Chris bathon - Not even on the depth chart
  Scott smith - Number 3 LB (not sure the side) behind Harrison Smith... the safety
  Dan franco - Not even on the depth chart
  Eric maust - Backup punter (he is the holder though)
  Mike narvaez - Not even on the depth chart
  Toryan smith - Backup line backer to Brian Smith
  Dan wenger - Backup Center (can apply for 5th year)
  Morrice richardson - Backup defensive end
  Eric olsen - stater
  Chris stewart - starter (can apply for 5th year)
  Martin quintana - Not even on the depth chart
  Paul duncan - starter
  Sam young - starter
  Robby parris - Number 4 WR
  San vos - Not even on the depth chart
  Bobby burger - Number 3 TE (the site has him 2 but Carlson's hurt)
  John ryan - Number 3 DE
  Paddy mullen - Number 3 DT (can apply for 5th year)
  Kallen wade - Not even on the depth chart (can apply for 5th year)
  
  Out of those 31 seniors, SIX of them start and one of them can come back, so really that's five. For some more numbers NINE of them aren't listed on the depth chart. Now you say Michigan beat a team full of seniors, how many of them actually played in the game? I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with you giving me a list of people who don't contribute and aren't on the depth chart a very good number of these people didn't even play! Go run along and play let people who aren't clueless talk about football.
• Hamp89

  redfalcon wrote:

  Mr Pat wrote: Redfalcon, Notre Dame is team full of seniors? Please list these seniors and get back to us.

  You, sir, are an idiot.
  
  Darrin walls
  Ray herring
  Raeshon mcneil
  Evan sharpley
  George west jr.
  Barry gallup jr.
  Brian coughlin
  Leonard gordon
  Kyle mccarthy
  Sergio brown
  Mike anello
  James aldridge
  Chris bathon
  Scott smith
  Dan franco
  Eric maust
  Mike narvaez
  Toryan smith
  Dan wenger
  Morrice richardson
  Eric olsen
  Chris stewart
  Martin quintana
  Paul duncan
  Sam young
  Robby parris
  San vos
  Bobby burger
  John ryan
  Paddy mullen
  Kallen wade
  
  Of these 31 seniors, 25 of them are gone for sure, as they are out of eligability. This also doesn't include the juniors who may leave.
  
  According to espn, notre dame is tied for the highest graduation rate this year.
  
  Now how about you shut your damn mouth since you don't have a clue what you are talking about and go make me a sammich.

  As Mr.Pat posted, 6 of this list you posted are starters..just six.
  
  AND, what does posting ND as having the highest graduation rate do to prove your point? That's usually what us delusional ND fans use when nothing else works in our favor.
  You do know what having the highest graduation rate means, correct?
  
  BTW, you started this thread and clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Many posted clear counter arguments to your already weak claims and yet you still try to spout off and make yourself sound even more dumb. Keep it up, it's entertaining, ccrunner needed help and another fool to help post ridculous claims to get a rise out of ND fans.
• KoachKanute

  ccrunner609 wrote: My opinion all seem to be fact now.

  STILL the dumbest teacher in Ohio. You should turn in your teaching certificate and resign. Fast.
• vball10set

  ^^^welcome to the new huddle,Koach,but be careful--you're coming mighty close to disclosing a members' identity...and for the record,Bob Stoops will be announced as ND's new coach--bank on it
• OneBuckeye

  

  Bob Stoops to ND really???? I don't think so.
  
  How is see the state of ND. 1. Recruiting doesn't suck, they can get who they want. 2. Offense first mentality. Defense wins championships. They need to focus more on defensive coaching and recruiting. 3. They have a national recruiting base, Charlie is the first coach that can recruit well of the past few coaches. 4. Their old AD was stoopid, and signed a stoopid contract with weiss. 5. Where are the stud running backs and running game? Run the ball and play defense! 5. Their schedule isn't that easy IMO. Navy, Utah, USC, Purdue, Mich, Mich state ect. All very dangerous teams IMO, with a wide variety of athletes and schemes. Touch schedule to play week to week. IMO. Its not extremely hard but it isn't a cake walk.
  
  Weiss isn't a terrible coach, but I think he needs to refoucus himself on defense. He can recruit well. He just doesn't have the in game and defensive coaching skills as others.
• The Equalizer

  

  I would say given the right number of touches and carries Armando Allen could be a wonderful feature back....unfortunately Charlie has a hardon for running the ball 20 times with Robert Hughes to "establish the run"...and then we wonder why we're down 10+ in the third and miracles of miracles, we start throwing the ball and actually using one of the best WR tandems in the fucking country.
• redfalcon

  

  Notre dame is losing more players than any other team, but you keep telling yourselves that the fact that only six of them start isn't going to hurt you. Meanwhile the ohio state fans will be content with actually having a good team and we are only losing six seniors total. You notre dame fans are idiots who who are still convinced that charlie is a good coqch who can recruit well. Its bern six year!!! Recruiting sucks, the program sucks, and no one gives a shit about Notre Dame anymore.
• The Equalizer

  

  If our recruiting sucks when's the last time OSU landed a WR like Michael Floyd? You've been in the NC games, you've been in the BCS games....why can't you land a stud WR?
  
  And you obviously give a shit because you bothered to start the thread moron.
• redfalcon

  

  The Equalizer wrote: If our recruiting sucks when's the last time OSU landed a WR like Michael Floyd? You've been in the NC games, you've been in the BCS games....why can't you land a stud WR?
  
  And you obviously give a shit because you bothered to start the thread moron.

  If our recruiting sucks then why are we on our way to a fifth straight bcs game, and we are doing it with the youngest team tressel has ever had. As for me giving a shit, touche.
• The Equalizer

  

  Because your conference has you and penn state at the top...an iowa team no one can trust to deliver in the clutch and a bunch of midcarders you beat up year in and year out to pad the Ws. Don't get me wrong, its great for your schedule and helps you guys a ton to get to the big bowls...but it's also why when you run into the SEC you get destroyed. At least this year you'll get to win the Rose thanks to atheletically sub par pac 10 teams taking advantage of usc's slip.
• KnightRyder

  

  The Equalizer wrote: If our recruiting sucks when's the last time OSU landed a WR like Michael Floyd? You've been in the NC games, you've been in the BCS games....why can't you land a stud WR?
  
  And you obviously give a shit because you bothered to start the thread moron.

  i thought santonio holmes was a pretty good wide out. was he awarded the mvp in the superbowl? maybe that isnt stud wide out material in your eyes.
• The Equalizer

  

  Don't confuse what someone does in the pros and what they did in college. There's alot of great guys in college who never did anything in the pros and vice versa. Holmes had a very nice NCAA career and he was used effectively. 140 catches for 2300 yards and 25 TDs. To date, Floyd has 86 catches for 1400 and 12 TDs. Given what we've seen in 2 years if Floyd is used as effectively in his final 2 years he ought to easily eclipse those numbers but when I say a stud WR I mean a guy who can be in the conversation for best WR in the country. Holmes was never in that discussion but Floyd has that potential especially being 6-3, 220.
  
  As I said, ncaa vs pro stats or accomplishments doesn't mean shit. Look at Reggie Bush for that one. But it does surprise me that Tressel has not been able to recruit a tall big strong WR. Most of the great WRs in recent past are the 5-11, 190 variety and they're used well in the system, but there's no Floyds, no Dez Bryants, etc.
• KnightRyder

  

  The Equalizer wrote: Don't confuse what someone does in the pros and what they did in college. There's alot of great guys in college who never did anything in the pros and vice versa. Holmes had a very nice NCAA career and he was used effectively. 140 catches for 2300 yards and 25 TDs. To date, Floyd has 86 catches for 1400 and 12 TDs. Given what we've seen in 2 years if Floyd is used as effectively in his final 2 years he ought to easily eclipse those numbers but when I say a stud WR I mean a guy who can be in the conversation for best WR in the country. Holmes was never in that discussion but Floyd has that potential especially being 6-3, 220.
  
  As I said, ncaa vs pro stats or accomplishments doesn't mean shit. Look at Reggie Bush for that one. But it does surprise me that Tressel has not been able to recruit a tall big strong WR. Most of the great WRs in recent past are the 5-11, 190 variety and they're used well in the system, but there's no Floyds, no Dez Bryants, etc.

  dont forget ohio state doesnt throw the ball around like ND does. maybe that because they arent playing from behind on score board as much as ND. when your playing comeback you tend to throw the ball more. as to running the ball to milk the clock when you have a lead.
• Mr Pat

  Hey Redfalcon, nine of the players on your list aren't on the depth chart. The prep team is really going to be hurting with the loss of these players...
  
  You said UofM beat a team full of seniors, do you know how many of those people actually played in the Michigan game? I ask it again because you didn't make an attempt to answer it. Or is that senior-laden prep team that awesome?
• The Equalizer

  

  Yea but Tress milks the clock when it's 0-0
• killer_ewok

  

  BTW, all of the talk about NBC dropping ND is off-base. NBC renewed it's television contract with ND football after ND's 3-9 2007 season which saw ND bring in their lowest ratings since NBC started exclusively televising Notre Dame home games back in 1991. The contract doesn't expire until 2015.
  
  If they extended ND after their worst season ever.....I don't think they're going to cancel a contract that has 6 years left on it after a 7-5 or 6-6 season. And now with Weis on the way out and some of the coaches who are being mentioned as a successor.....that alone will pique some people's interest (haters and fans alike).
• KnightRyder

  

  and weis cant afford to milk the clock at any point. he needs all the time left and more
• redfalcon

  

  So nine of the seniors aren't on the depth charts. That leaves 22 who are, more than any other team in college football.
  
  As for NBC, all I am saying is that the new owners may not wnat to keep ND football after 2015.
• rocket31

  notre dame football is all that nbc has for saturdays, what else are they going to show?
  
  dog shows? motor cross? fly fishing?
  
  notre dame football keeps nbc semi-relevant on saturday afternoons, therefore nbc will keep them as long as notre dame wants them.
• killer_ewok

  

  redfalcon wrote: So nine of the seniors aren't on the depth charts. That leaves 22 who are, more than any other team in college football.
  
  As for NBC, all I am saying is that the new owners may not wnat to keep ND football after 2015.

  That's a ways down the road. IMO, things that are 6 years down the road aren't worth speculating about.
• The Equalizer

  

  I counted 30 seniors on PSU's rivals depth chart page.
• killdeer

  

  rocket31 wrote: notre dame football keeps nbc semi-relevant on saturday afternoons, therefore nbc will keep them as long as notre dame wants them.

  and that knife cuts both ways...the NBC coverage is one of the few things keeping the current Notre Dame football program semi-relevant in FBS football.
  
  the last I checked, the forums were opinion boards, nothing more. All the golden domers out there who want to shoot the messenger instead of listening to the message provide a glimpse into the same close-minded approach that the ND athletic administration obviously shares which has resulted in the position the Irish football program is in now.
  
  All this talk about the NBC package highlights one important thing...there is NO other FBS team with a record of 85-61 over the past 12 years that could command an exclusive TV package except ND (without causing guffaws from the network executives). This standing has very little to do with the performance of the team over these twelve years; and everything to do with ND as a historical and legendary program standing on the shoulders of past teams under Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, and Holtz, among others. Like it or not, these Notre Dame teams during this span have not added to the golden lustre, only tarnished it a bit.
  
  I am not an ND hater, in fact, I think a strong Irish program is good for college football. However, as the thread originator rightly opined, a coaching change is only the tip of the iceberg...and all those saying that Bob Stoops or Mike Kelly will single-handedly turn the program around have to listen to the echoes of their same voices after Davie, Willingham, and now Weis were let go.
• killer_ewok

  

  Obviously NBC sees Notre Dame football as a good investment. And it's definitely not based on recent success but if the ratings are there and NBC is making money then it's a good deal for them. They would not have re-upped with ND if it wasn't lucrative for NBC.
  
  I'm not even sure what you're arguing here to be honest. I'm not shooting the messenger. I brought some factual info to the discussion regarding ND's contract and the years remaining on it. Nothing more, nothing less.