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  • sjmvsfscs08
    Three things really piss me off. Liberals, being late, and stupid mother fuckers that think they can draw conclusions from minor correlations in sport statistics.

    Last time I checked (which would be in the fall when I actually coached the sport), football was a team sport. Giving Tebow props or taking anything away from Clausen from their teams' win/loss record makes you look like an absolute idiot. Yes, I think the journalism at ESPN has been horrid lately, because they do this all the time. This isn't a "well ESPN does it! They know what they're talking about!" thing, it's a "ESPN has to broadcast to the lowest common denominator so they really only discuss meaningful information about 25% of the time, the rest is meaningless fluff to entertain." There is a myriad of other variables people completely forget when discussing sports or comparing athletes from team sports.

    There are thousands of "winners" from HS that never played in college, and there are thousands of kids from bad teams that went on to play college ball. The same is true in the transition from college to the NFL. Clausen's 16-18 record while at Notre Dame doesn't mean shit. Would you say it for a guard? Would say say it for a safety? Nooooo. "But the quarterback is the team leader!" Neat, but he doesn't play defense, and he very rarely calls the plays. It would be considerably wiser to judge the offense, not the team, and the lack of mistakes, not the highlight reel. But even then it's not 100%. Just please realize Clausen's win/loss record at Notre Dame will have no impact on him in the NFL.

    I watched Notre Dame's entire season, and I couldn't name five bad throws from Clausen all year. There was the silly flare pass to Allen that resulted in a fumble and a Washington touchdown, but that's really the only throw that comes to mind. Now, I should say that I think Clausen is probably a gigantic California douchebag (though not nearly as big of a douchebag as Terrelle Pryor), so I'm not really the biggest fan of his; but I really think he's an absolute football-throwing machine. There's a reason he was touted so highly during high school, there's a reason he absolutely tore shit up last year (really the last season and a half), and there's a reason the Panthers had sweaty palms waiting for their pick and shocked when they found out Clausen fell to them.

    Brady Quinn fell so far because he was not so accurate in my opinion, accuracy is far more important than arm strength in the NFL. Brady Quinn has boyish good looks and a cannon, but the guy definitely cannot stretch the field with precision passes. Clausen put that ability on display every game. He fell because 1)there was a lack of QB need overall, 2) immense talent at other positions and 3)Brady Quinn, because even NFL people are idiots. Yes, I said that too. I think a lot of you believe only the best coaches in the world coach in the NFL, but the truth is there is a fair share of terrible coaches and managers in the NFL that got sinecures due to connections with buddies they coached with and/or played with earlier in their careers. What I'm saying is NFL teams make a lot of terrible decisions because the management isn't always smarter than the average fan (and I think the average fan is oblivious).

    I digress. Sleeper, well we already know you're an idiot so anything you type is just garbage. Plus you used the buzzword every hack uses these days, "epic," not only once, but twice; which is just hilarious.

    Jimmy Clausen will probably end up having a very successful NFL career, the draft is pretty much meaningless. I'm just pissed the Panthers got him, I wanted the Vikings to snag him and let him sit behind Favre a year so he could hit the turf running.
  • sleeper
    ^ My team wins bowl games and competes for National Championships, what does your team do?
  • Mr Pat
    sleeper wrote: ^ My team wins bowl games and competes for National Championships, what does your team do?
    Beats Purdue! ;)
  • sjmvsfscs08
    Well it's only impressive if they are epic bowl wins that you can take to the bank...


    But you know what's funny?

    Notre Dame's bowl record: 14-15
    Ohio State's bowl record: 19-22

    Whoaaaaaa....über impressive!

    "YEAH BUT THOSE BOWL WINS WERE DURINGTHE FUCKING MILLORD FILMORE ADMINISTRATION!!!"

    Well...since the year I was born (1989).....

    Notre Dame's bowl record: 6-10
    Ohio State's bowl record: 8-12

    Super awesome record you have there. I should note, those both include one National Championship apiece.

    EPIC!!!!!!!!
  • Cleveland Buck
    I have said all along that Clausen will be the best QB in this class. I'm not saying he will be great, but he has all of the tools to be a successful starting QB for a long time. Getting drafted by Carolina is great for him as well. They will rely on the running game while he gets his feet wet.
  • 77Legend
    If those records are true, we Buckeye fans have nothing to rant and rave about. Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers don't.
  • sleeper
    Mr Pat wrote:
    sleeper wrote: ^ My team wins bowl games and competes for National Championships, what does your team do?
    Beats Purdue! ;)
    ND's greatest accomplishment since a close loss to USC, "we beat a team Ohio State lost too", lol Domers, hanging your hat on useless shit again.

    And Sjmzeceefe, or whatever, if you're going to post bowl records for the past 20 years at least post ND's NCAA RECORD 9 BOWL GAME LOSING STEAK! LOL Oh yeah, and their 0-2 BCS bowl record including 2 BLOWOUTS, with 1 to THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
  • karen lotz
    sleeper wrote: ND's greatest accomplishment since a close loss to USC, "we beat a team Ohio State lost too", lol Domers, hanging your hat on useless shit again.

    And Sjmzeceefe, or whatever, if you're going to post bowl records for the past 20 years at least post ND's NCAA RECORD 9 BOWL GAME LOSING STEAK! LOL Oh yeah, and their 0-2 BCS bowl record including 2 BLOWOUTS, with 1 to THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
    sleeper, if you are gonna troll, don't you think you should get your facts straight? ND is 0-3 in BCS bowl games. And a 14 point game to possibly the greatest team ever assembled is a blowout? ok...


    Also, it is "to" not "too." I figured someone who is as smart as you would know the difference.
  • sleeper
    karen lotz wrote:
    sleeper wrote: ND's greatest accomplishment since a close loss to USC, "we beat a team Ohio State lost too", lol Domers, hanging your hat on useless shit again.

    And Sjmzeceefe, or whatever, if you're going to post bowl records for the past 20 years at least post ND's NCAA RECORD 9 BOWL GAME LOSING STEAK! LOL Oh yeah, and their 0-2 BCS bowl record including 2 BLOWOUTS, with 1 to THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
    sleeper, if you are gonna troll, don't you think you should get your facts straight? ND is 0-3 in BCS bowl games. And a 14 point game to possibly the greatest team ever assembled is a blowout? ok...


    Also, it is "to" not "too." I figured someone who is as smart as you would know the difference.
    0-3, 0-2, who gives a shit? ND most overrated program in NCAA history, and I love it. Enjoy 6-6(well 6-7 with inevitable bowl loss should you choose to accept it).
  • karen lotz
    sleeper wrote:
    karen lotz wrote:
    sleeper wrote: ND's greatest accomplishment since a close loss to USC, "we beat a team Ohio State lost too", lol Domers, hanging your hat on useless shit again.

    And Sjmzeceefe, or whatever, if you're going to post bowl records for the past 20 years at least post ND's NCAA RECORD 9 BOWL GAME LOSING STEAK! LOL Oh yeah, and their 0-2 BCS bowl record including 2 BLOWOUTS, with 1 to THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
    sleeper, if you are gonna troll, don't you think you should get your facts straight? ND is 0-3 in BCS bowl games. And a 14 point game to possibly the greatest team ever assembled is a blowout? ok...


    Also, it is "to" not "too." I figured someone who is as smart as you would know the difference.
    0-3, 0-2, who gives a shit? ND most overrated program in NCAA history, and I love cock. Enjoy 6-6(well 6-7 with inevitable bowl loss should you choose to accept it).
  • sleeper
    ^ I admit I lol'd. Not because it was funny but because you know its true. LOL
  • rock_knutne
    How's the OSU guys doing in the 2010 NFL draft?
  • sleeper
    rock_knutne wrote: How's the OSU guys doing in the 2010 NFL draft?
    About as well as Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate did getting drafted in round 1. LOL
  • sjmvsfscs08
    sleeper wrote:
    rock_knutne wrote: How's the OSU guys doing in the 2010 NFL draft?
    About as well as Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate did getting drafted in round 1. LOL
    Are you saying Notre Dame is on par with Ohio State then?

    LOL
  • sleeper
    Clearly Ohio State players are more focused on coming back and competing for National Championships and big time bowl victories. When ND has half as much success as Ohio State, we can begin the discussion of who has better talent, which ND would still lose, but we could have the discussion as to why they will never be good.
  • karen lotz
    OMFG totally funny, bro! lulz
  • sjmvsfscs08
    karen lotz wrote: OMFG totally funny, bro! lulz
    You beat me to it. :)
  • Mr Pat
    sleeper wrote:
    Mr Pat wrote:
    sleeper wrote: ^ My team wins bowl games and competes for National Championships, what does your team do?
    Beats Purdue! ;)
    ND's greatest accomplishment since a close loss to USC, "we beat a team Ohio State lost too", lol Domers, hanging your hat on useless shit again.
    What's that line certain OSU fans like to use? Oh yeah, "I'm just posting facts!" The fact gets posted so much is because it seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it? I mean, Notre Dame last year was the worst team to ever put on pads, and OSU should have been given 18 National Championships to START the year! It's just so humorous to me that a team as horrible as Notre Dame was able beat Purdue, while a team of all star super-humans that could have dominated the 2010 New Orleans Saints couldn't...

    You have to see the humor! I do, LOL!!
  • sleeper
    Ohio State 2009 Rose Bowl Champions

    Notre Dame 2009 no bowl game

    That's all the humor I see.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    That would be funny if any of us were saying Notre Dame was any good...

    The real humor here is that everyone basically agrees with you in saying Notre Dame hasn't been consistently good since the early 1990s; whereas Ohio State, outside of a blip at the millennium mark and 2004, has been rather elite. Can your brain not comprehend how someone would not possibly care about Ohio State? Is that the real issue? I mean come on, when's the last time Ohio State's football team bought you a steak dinner? And on that note, when is the last time "the GOAT," Lebon James, did anything good for you? It's meaningless entertainment, nothing more. Shit, I even coach the sport and yet I know that it means absolutely nothing. Notre Dame and Ohio State could both cut football tomorrow, and Lebron James (whom I actually like) could quit basketball and join the circus, and people on here would simply go about their lives.

    What is humorous and also borderline sad, is that you keep being a bitch by coming on every Notre Dame thread posting the same old shit. If nothing more it proves you lack an interesting life, or have mental problems. So continue to post away jackass, it only exacerbates how poorly we view your sorry little brain. You're really like a lonely eleven-year old girl that was never given a Barbie and screams out for attention at every opportunity.

    We all know that Ohio State's program is far better than Notre Dame's.

    LOL GO BUCKS!!! EPIC!!!!!!
  • Mr Pat
    Exactly! The fact that the Rose Bowl Champions of Earth LOST to a team that a bunch of No-Bowl Rejects beat is hilarious. LOL all the way to the bank!
  • NNN
    To get back on topic, I never saw the appeal of Brady Quinn. He was a five-star QB coming out of Coffman, but I could never really figure what that was based on. He was a top NFL prospect, but I don't know why either.

    Here's what jumped out to me most. Brady Quinn never had the pinpoint accuracy that truly elite quarterbacks have. In college, he could hit a large window but not a small one. As a result, on passes like screen or slants (which are predicated on putting the ball exactly into a certain spot), he could complete the pass but not get optimal yardage. On deeper passes it was a shot in the dark because he couldn't put it to a place where the receiver could get it and the defensive back couldn't.

    If we were to do a combined draft of the first-rounders of the 2000s, Quinn as a prospect would have been behind every quarterback except Russell, Alex Smith, Patrick Ramsey, David Carr, Byron Leftwich, Rex Grossman, JP Losman, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart. Basically, he'd be in the bottom half.
  • Mr Pat
    To be fair to Quinn he didn't have to have pinpoint accuracy on his deep passes. He had Maurice Stovall (6'5), Jeff Samardzija (6'5), and Rhema McKnight (6'2), who were not fast but caught most of their passes by outjumping the defender. I would imagine they built their long passes on having Brady throwing jump balls and letting his guys go get them. Now if they did that because Quinn didn't have the accuracy or because it was the best way to use the very tall weapons is up for debate.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    Agreed. I think Quinn benefited from a very tall and athletic (though not fast) receiving corp, and an overall good offense run by a very good offensive coach. Yes, I said it. Weis had two quarterbacks to nurture and both came out well.

    Obviously, I think Clausen will be the better quarterback though. Quinn may have torn it up in high school, but Clausen was said to be a once-in-a-generation type player. His 2009 season was amazing. I really think it's a damn shame Bradford was injured, because of the quarterbacks playing, he was the best. Tebow was unconventional and McCoy wasn't sharp. Don't look know, but the Carolina Panthers may have just picked a hall of fame quarterback, which I hate to say because I hate the Panthers. I do though think Clausen's partying may get the best of him.
  • slingshot4ever
    Clausen hurt himself by being a QB that is just above average.