Why Butler Lost

• Prescott

  Two lapses on defense during out of bounds plays gave the dukies 4 critical points.
  
  Matt Howard's inability to finish around the basket early in the game.He had three makeable shots around the basket and came up empty.
  
  The Bulldogs had their chances, but a few critical baskets did not go their way.
• mucalum49

  

  Agree... When then went 1-8 in a 9 minute span at least 3 of those shots were barely contested or non contested lay ups that were missed. They just went too strong to the rim on those shots.
• slingshot4ever

  Becuase they missed the shot at the buzzer.
• j_crazy

  

  i loved the officiating in that game. let them play on a lot of tough shots and loose balls, but called a great game. anyone complaining about the refs is either a butler fanboy (unlikely) or they blindly and indiscriminatly hate duke (very likely) and don't think they earned anything.
• WebFire

  j_crazy wrote: i loved the officiating in that game. let them play on a lot of tough shots and loose balls, but called a great game. anyone complaining about the refs is either a butler fanboy (unlikely) or they blindly and indiscriminatly hate duke (very likely) and don't think they earned anything.

  There were some iffy calls, but no more than any other game against any other team. Definitely not why Butler lost.
• Prescott

  How long till someone complains about the refs?

  Are you really this insecure??
• j_crazy

  

  I will say that Singler got more calls than anyone else in that game. at one point, while vanzant was guarding him (which I don't understand given the height advantage) singler essentially gave him a swim move and put him on the ground. I should note that I don't think that play resulted in a singler basket, but thought singler got the benefit on most of the calls/non calls in which he was involved.
  
  but like i said, none of them had any impact on the final score.
• lhslep134

  

  Prescott wrote: Matt Howard's inability to finish around the basket early in the game.He had three makeable shots around the basket and came up empty.
  
  The Bulldogs had their chances, but a few critical baskets did not go their way.

  Three layups in the beginning 4 minutes are CRITICAL???? Have you lost your mind?!
• Prescott

  Three layups in the beginning 4 minutes are CRITICAL????

  In a game where points are so difficult to come by, any missed opportunities around the basket are CRITICAL.It has nothing to do with the time in the game.
• lhslep134

  

  Prescott wrote:

  Three layups in the beginning 4 minutes are CRITICAL????

  In a game where points are so difficult to come by, any missed opportunities around the basket are CRITICAL.It has nothing to do with the time in the game.

  It has EVERYTHING to do with time in the game. So you're telling me a missed three 2 minutes in is the same as a missed 3 with 50 seconds left? LMAO you're retarded.
• Prescott

  What is the score if Howard makes 2 of those 3 lay-ins?? They were critical misses.
  
  It's always nice to debate a person with such insight and who chooses to name call as opposed to debate.
  
  Have a nice day.
• lhslep134

  

  Prescott wrote: What is the score if Howard makes 2 of those 3 lay-ins?? They were critical misses.
  
  It's always nice to debate a person with such insight and who chooses to name call as opposed to debate.
  
  Have a nice day.

  What's there to debate? If he makes those layups then Duke is tied 6-6 instead of up 6-0. You're telling me that it makes a SIGNIFICANT change in the outcome of a game, when in all reality the first minutes are quite meaningless. You're just plain wrong, there isn't anything to debate.
  
  ANYONE who thinks missed layups in the first 2 minutes of the game are critical knows nothing about basketball, and sorry that includes you. So sorry for calling you names and upsetting you, maybe you should A. grow thicker skin, or B. learn something about basketball.
• lhslep134

  

  No response Prescott?
• trep14

  lhslep134 wrote:

  Prescott wrote: What is the score if Howard makes 2 of those 3 lay-ins?? They were critical misses.
  
  It's always nice to debate a person with such insight and who chooses to name call as opposed to debate.
  
  Have a nice day.

  What's there to debate? If he makes those layups then Duke is tied 6-6 instead of up 6-0. You're telling me that it makes a SIGNIFICANT change in the outcome of a game, when in all reality the first minutes are quite meaningless. You're just plain wrong, there isn't anything to debate.
  
  ANYONE who thinks missed layups in the first 2 minutes of the game are critical knows nothing about basketball, and sorry that includes you. So sorry for calling you names and upsetting you, maybe you should A. grow thicker skin, or B. learn something about basketball.

  Its not as magnified as a missed layup at the end of the game, but it is certainly critical. Those are points that Butler is leaving on the table in a tight game. Howard makes a couple of those bunnies and instead of Butler playing catch-up to Duke in the first half, Butler maybe goes into the half with the lead. It can change the entire dynamic of the game. Someone who writes off leaving easy points on the table against a team the caliber of Duke as not being critical, especially in the outcome of a two point loss, should not be accusing anyone else of needing to learn something about basketball.
• trep14

  No response lhslep134?
• jordo212000

  

  The game was decided by 2 points? How the F are missed lay-ups at any point in the game not critical? haha
• GOONx19

  

  Critical fo' sho. Maybe not memorable, but critical nonetheless.
• Prescott

  Here is your response, my name-calling friend. It is insightful and accurate. Read and learn something.
  

  Howard makes a couple of those bunnies and instead of Butler playing catch-up to Duke in the first half, Butler maybe goes into the half with the lead. It can change the entire dynamic of the game.
  Its not as magnified as a missed layup at the end of the game, but it is certainly critical. Those are points that Butler is leaving on the table in a tight game. Howard makes a couple of those bunnies and instead of Butler playing catch-up to Duke in the first half, Butler maybe goes into the half with the lead. It can change the entire dynamic of the game. Someone who writes off leaving easy points on the table against a team the caliber of Duke as not being critical, especially in the outcome of a two point loss, should not be accusing anyone else of needing to learn something about basketball.

  BTW, you can call me thin skinned if you like. My sister is mentally challenged and I find the use of the word of "RETARDED" in this context to be terribly offensive. An intelligent and insightful person can do better.Can you?
• jordo212000

  

  I still can't stop laughing at lhslep. He makes a completely silly point, gets called out by nearly everybody, responds by calling the OP an offensive term, and then runs away from the thread
• trep14

  jordo212000 wrote: I still can't stop laughing at lhslep. He makes a completely silly point, gets called out by nearly everybody, responds by calling the OP an offensive term, and then runs away from the thread

  I think we have seen this play out before. Isn't this the same guy who started a thread saying Thaddeus Gibson had personally told him during a student interview that he was going to come back for his senior year, then the very next day Gibson declared for the NFL draft, followed by lhslep dropping a racial slur after getting his balls busted by everyone?
  
  EDIT: yup here it is
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/Thread-From-His-Mouth-Gibson-is-returning-to-OSU
• Nate

  I have to agree with trep14 and Prescott. Maybe those 3 shots are unnoticed in the highlight reel but when you go back, look at the game tape, those 3 layups are HUGE.
  
  

  trep14 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote: I still can't stop laughing at lhslep. He makes a completely silly point, gets called out by nearly everybody, responds by calling the OP an offensive term, and then runs away from the thread

  I think we have seen this play out before. Isn't this the same guy who started a thread saying Thaddeus Gibson had personally told him during a student interview that he was going to come back for his senior year, then the very next day Gibson declared for the NFL draft, followed by lhslep dropping a racial slur after getting his balls busted by everyone?
  
  EDIT: yup here it is
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/Thread-From-His-Mouth-Gibson-is-returning-to-OSU

  That thread still makes me LOL.
• j_crazy

  

  Keebler wrote: I have to agree with trep14 and Prescott. Maybe those 3 shots are unnoticed in the highlight reel but when you go back, look at the game tape, those 3 layups are HUGE.
  
  

  trep14 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote: I still can't stop laughing at lhslep. He makes a completely silly point, gets called out by nearly everybody, responds by calling the OP an offensive term, and then runs away from the thread

  I think we have seen this play out before. Isn't this the same guy who started a thread saying Thaddeus Gibson had personally told him during a student interview that he was going to come back for his senior year, then the very next day Gibson declared for the NFL draft, followed by lhslep dropping a racial slur after getting his balls busted by everyone?
  
  EDIT: yup here it is
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/Thread-From-His-Mouth-Gibson-is-returning-to-OSU

  That thread still makes me LOL.

  that thread is in danger of getting deleted. If memory serves JC and the mods are going to start deleting threads with no activity after so long.
  
  I say we petition to keep that MF'er. it's on my favorites, i read through it from time to time. i love watching the transition from i'll believe it when it happens, to haha you're wrong, to good natured ribbing, to SPEWING HATE, to the reactions. it should be required reading for all newbs to this site so they know how not to act, and what to expect if you're ever wrong.
• lhslep134

  

  You guys can say whatever you want, but I'd much rather have my team miss 3 layups in the beginning of the game not the end of the game.
  
  What you fail to take into account are all of the peripheral factors that go into a made basket.
  
  Depending on the amount of time left, a shot carries a lot more sway and momentum in the second half, BY FAR. If this weren't true, then we wouldn't see so many damn large comebacks over the second half of a game. Not the mention in the college game, the pressure that these kids are under. It's a lot easier to lose your cool when you miss a layup in the second half as opposed to the first half.
  
  Also, it puts a lot more pressure on both teams when a layup that could have cut it to 54-52 misses than one that would have made it 6-4. I honestly cannot see why you guys are so ignorant to this fact. It's blowing my mind.
• trep14

  lhslep134 wrote: You guys can say whatever you want, but I'd much rather have my team miss 3 layups in the beginning of the game not the end of the game.
  
  What you fail to take into account are all of the peripheral factors that go into a made basket.
  
  Depending on the amount of time left, a shot carries a lot more sway and momentum in the second half, BY FAR. If this weren't true, then we wouldn't see so many damn large comebacks over the second half of a game. Not the mention in the college game, the pressure that these kids are under. It's a lot easier to lose your cool when you miss a layup in the second half as opposed to the first half.
  
  Also, it puts a lot more pressure on both teams when a layup that could have cut it to 54-52 misses than one that would have made it 6-4. I honestly cannot see why you guys are so ignorant to this fact. It's blowing my mind.

  Wow. You are completely failing to see the point, it is ridiculous. How can you argue that three missed layups in the beginning of the game are not just as important as three missed layups at the end of the game, especially given a two point outcome? Missed opportunities are missed opportunities period, especially when you are Butler and playing an opponent that is the caliber of Duke.
  
  And blowing layups at the beginning of the game can certainly be important. How often do you see teams get buried at the beginning of the game and are unable to claw their way back? I would argue that one of the most important factors teams face on the road or at a neutral site, particularly in basketball since it is a game of runs, is taking the crowd out of the game early on.
  
  The fact that no one is agreeing with you should tell you something....and no, its not that everyone else except for you is a moron...
• ZeroCool

  pretty much what everybody has said except lep. lep obviously have no clue.