*SPOILER* Breaking WWE News!

• MANAZE

  

  Breaking news....
  
  http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/shocking-spoiler-from-tonights-wwe-smackdown-taping-99421
  
  We'll have more on this in our full spoiler report later, but Jack Swagger just cashed in his Money In The Bank briefcase during the SmackDown! taping and won the World Heavyweight Championship.
• gibby08

  

  I can't believe they let him win the title
  
  Not suprising he cashed it in so soon...as they are having another MITB in June or July
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Swagger is alright. There are some people I just can't force myself to like though like CM Punk or MVP. They have tried to push both out into the spotlight and I just can't get into either. I like Punk's finisher though. Orton is my favorite at the moment. I actually like Sheamus also.
• gibby08

  

  bigdaddy...don't get me wrong...I'm thrilled that they let someone new carry a belt
  
  i just thought Swagger would be the first to lose
• bigdaddy2003

  

  gibby08 wrote: bigdaddy...don't get me wrong...I'm thrilled that they let someone new carry a belt
  
  i just thought Swagger would be the first to lose

  Yeah, I agree. I also like when someone new carries a belt i.e. Sheamus. That is an easy way to build up a character. I wasn't sure he would make it when I first saw him but he has turned made his way into the top bad guy position.
• End of Line

  

  Don't like this is at all. First off, they should've let Y2J carry the belt a bit longer, and secondly Christian should've won the MITB.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  ^I can't say I agree with you. I'm not big into Christian and I think they should have let Edge beat Jericho at Wrestlemania.
• Heretic

  

  gibby08 wrote: bigdaddy...don't get me wrong...I'm thrilled that they let someone new carry a belt
  
  i just thought Swagger would be the first to lose

  Here's my opinion -- which I will accept being BRUTALLY called out upon if I'm wrong:
  
  Swagger was picked as the MitB winner...not to be the first loser, but the first insta-dumped champ. He's an extension of the Jericho-Edge feud. Edge won the Royal Rumble, but lost to Jericho at WM. So...Swagger MitB's Jericho to win the belt, Edge wins it from him and we have a new take on the "former champion never lost to the current one" deal that tends to come up when a belt change happens during a three-way title match. Swagger's a supporting actor in the Edge-Jericho feud whose presence will allow it to continue longer than one might think.
• Big Red Monster

  He is what they call a transition champion.
  
  Maybe this is where Christian comes in to take the World Title to setup a Edge-Christian main event feud.
  
  The way Vince and company has been booking lately has been pretty good.
  
  I think Swagger could actually be a good long term champion if they get behind him enough.
• Big Red Monster

  The beginning of the show started with Chris Jericho cutting a promo. Edge came out and beat him up which led to Edge spearing him. Edge wad leaving the ring when Jack Swagger knocked Edge down with the the MITB briefcase. Swagger then cashed in the MITB and beat Chris Jericho with his finisher
  
  1. Jack Swagger defeated Chris Jericho to win the World Hvt. Championship. Swagger cashed in the MITB and beat Jericho with his finisher
• darbypitcher22

  

  I'm not sold on Swagger.... in the ring he looks impressive from time to time but with everything else he's still miles away from being able to carry the belt for a few months at a time and carry on two or three convincing feuds....
  
  I hope Edge or somebody takes it back from him quickly....
• KnightXC1

  

  I like Swagger. He is pretty good in the ring and can wrestle just about anyone and put on a decent match. He has the lisp, but it works in a way that people can hate him more and make fun of him, even though he is the champion. Since he is now on SD! it is much easier to carry that show for a few months than Raw. Edge is fighting Jericho next week for a shot at Swagger at Extreme Rules which I imagine will be Edge or ends up a triple threat, which allows Swagger to win and keep the belt longer.
  
  Here is a fan video of him winning: http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_40313.shtml
• osu45804

  

  Hmmm Interesting... But this is also why I kind of hate the blog sites. I want to be surprised when they pull something like this off at a SD or RAW show. Now I already know what's going to happen, of course I'll still watch but just already knowing what's about to happen sucks..... I just don't think Swagger is "Champion" material just yet with his Kurt Angle gimick
• enigmaax

  I like Swagger and definitely think he has a future. Not sure if his time is now or not, but I'm not going to complain about them mixing it up a little bit.
  
  The funny thing about WWE is for a couple decades they were really protective of that World Title status. Think of all the legends who never sniffed the belt. But in the last 10-15 years, it seems like they've gone too far the other direction in throwing it on guys with "potential" just as a test drive. I like that the titles are always a center of attention, but there's a pretty good list of guys who they strapped on the rise and then completely buried. CM Punk, for example, is just now starting to come back and it took a complete overhaul of his character to undo the damage of his worthless title runs.
• Big Red Monster

  ^^^
  
  I agree with the part about Punk.
  
  They did nothing but bury him during his title runs and you are right, he is finally getting out of that whole.
• GoChiefs

  

  osu45804 wrote: Hmmm Interesting... But this is also why I kind of hate the blog sites. I want to be surprised when they pull something like this off at a SD or RAW show. Now I already know what's going to happen, of course I'll still watch but just already knowing what's about to happen sucks..... I just don't think Swagger is "Champion" material just yet with his Kurt Angle gimick

  I agree..put fucking WWE News: Spoiler inside in the thread title or something..not everyone likes to know what the hell is going to happen beforehand..this is one of the reasons wrestling sucks now a days. There aren't anymore surprises in the industry b/c nobody can keep their mouths shut about it.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  GoChiefs wrote:

  osu45804 wrote: Hmmm Interesting... But this is also why I kind of hate the blog sites. I want to be surprised when they pull something like this off at a SD or RAW show. Now I already know what's going to happen, of course I'll still watch but just already knowing what's about to happen sucks..... I just don't think Swagger is "Champion" material just yet with his Kurt Angle gimick

  I agree..put fucking WWE News: Spoiler inside in the thread title or something..not everyone likes to know what the hell is going to happen beforehand..this is one of the reasons wrestling sucks now a days. There aren't anymore surprises in the industry b/c nobody can keep their mouths shut about it.

  +1
• Big Red Monster

  Simmer down fellas.
  
  You should have known this would make it on here.
  
  Should he have put Major Smackdown Spoiler? Yes
  
  But dont go off on a tangent about it.
• darbypitcher22

  

  wasn't that the purpose of the other belts, IC, US Title, European back in the day, to test drive guys before they put the big belt on them?
• enigmaax

  darbypitcher22 wrote: wasn't that the purpose of the other belts, IC, US Title, European back in the day, to test drive guys before they put the big belt on them?

  The IC belt was mainly used as a B-show draw. As the WWE was expanding in the early 80s (IC title was created in 79), they were running multiple shows a night in completely different cities. So the IC belt was used as kind of a lure for the show that didn't include the World Champion.
  
  If you take a look at the history, it took about ten years for any IC champion to become World Champ (Randy Savage). I remember an interview with Honky Tonk Man where he claimed his shows as IC Champ were actually outdrawing Hogan's A-shows and part of the reason he ended up parting ways with WWE was because they weren't interested in giving him a run with the big title despite his drawing power. So after the still-longest run with the IC title in WWE history, they jobbed him out to Ultimate Warrior in like 30 seconds.
  
  I think as wrestling became more prominent on TV (mid-90s) it devolved into a simple prop to give mid-card guys something to fight about. You start seeing a lot of really short reigns, like 20-30 days short. Only a handful of guys have gotten significant longterm reigns (Michaels, Rock, as examples) since then and in those cases it was probably some kind of grooming process. But they were exceptions to the Mounties and Jarretts and Goldusts of the world.
• mtrulz

  Main event: Jericho vs. Jack Swagger tomorrow night. Guarantee it.
• KnightXC1

  

  enigmaax wrote:
  The IC belt was mainly used as a B-show draw. As the WWE was expanding in the early 80s (IC title was created in 79), they were running multiple shows a night in completely different cities. So the IC belt was used as kind of a lure for the show that didn't include the World Champion.
  
  If you take a look at the history, it took about ten years for any IC champion to become World Champ (Randy Savage). I remember an interview with Honky Tonk Man where he claimed his shows as IC Champ were actually outdrawing Hogan's A-shows and part of the reason he ended up parting ways with WWE was because they weren't interested in giving him a run with the big title despite his drawing power. So after the still-longest run with the IC title in WWE history, they jobbed him out to Ultimate Warrior in like 30 seconds.
  
  I think as wrestling became more prominent on TV (mid-90s) it devolved into a simple prop to give mid-card guys something to fight about. You start seeing a lot of really short reigns, like 20-30 days short. Only a handful of guys have gotten significant longterm reigns (Michaels, Rock, as examples) since then and in those cases it was probably some kind of grooming process. But they were exceptions to the Mounties and Jarretts and Goldusts of the world.

  First, it didn't take Randy Savage 10 years to go from IC Champion to WWF Champion. 1 year after losing the IC belt to Steamboat at Mania 3, he won the WWF title at Mania 4 and held it for a year. In the 90's, plenty of guys won the IC title and then were propelled to the WWF Title not long after (Hart, Diesel, Michaels, Rock, Austin). The Honky Tonk Man was not a good wrestler, he was a gimmick that people hated. He could never have carried the company as champion. And the only reason he held the belt so long was because at the time, there was no one better to put the title on. Want to talk about someone who should have been champion back then, then it Ted Dibiase, perhaps one of the greatest heels ever.
  
  It wasn't until the 2000 where the IC belt really got pushed further down the card and was eliminated for a while.
  
  As for CM Punk, they buried his first 2 title reigns because no one gave a damn about him as champion. He is an amazing heel now and would serve as a great heel champion but he got no reaction whatsoever on Raw as World Champion.
• enigmaax

  KnightXC1 wrote: First, it didn't take Randy Savage 10 years to go from IC Champion to WWF Champion. 1 year after losing the IC belt to Steamboat at Mania 3, he won the WWF title at Mania 4 and held it for a year. In the 90's, plenty of guys won the IC title and then were propelled to the WWF Title not long after (Hart, Diesel, Michaels, Rock, Austin). The Honky Tonk Man was not a good wrestler, he was a gimmick that people hated. He could never have carried the company as champion. And the only reason he held the belt so long was because at the time, there was no one better to put the title on. Want to talk about someone who should have been champion back then, then it Ted Dibiase, perhaps one of the greatest heels ever.
  
  It wasn't until the 2000 where the IC belt really got pushed further down the card and was eliminated for a while.
  
  As for CM Punk, they buried his first 2 title reigns because no one gave a damn about him as champion. He is an amazing heel now and would serve as a great heel champion but he got no reaction whatsoever on Raw as World Champion.

  What I said (or meant) is that it took nearly 10 years for a former IC champ to become World Champion. The IC belt was implemented in 1979. Patterson, Muraco, Santana, Valentine - these guys all held the title and never won the World Title. Savage was the first former IC champion to become World Champ and that was in 1988. (Pedro Morales had been World Champ about a decade earlier, but didn't go on to win another one after his reigns.)
  
  In 1992, Bret Hart became just the 3rd IC champ to go on to win the World Title (Ultimate Warrior was the 2nd).
  
  Between Savage and Hart, you had guys like Rude, Mr. Perfect, and Kerry Von Erich who were main eventing cards all the time but who would never win the World Title.
  
  After Hart, you're getting close to the mid-90s (which is what I said) where yes, Michaels and Diesel used it as a stepping stone, but you also had the Mountie for 2 days, Jeff Jarrett a few times but for no more than 3 months, Ahmed Johnson for less than two months, Goldust a couple times for no more than 3 months, and Marc Mero for a month.
  
  From there, even guys who did go on to World Titles after winning the IC(Triple H, Austin) weren't typically given long reigns. If you're wearing it for a month, they aren't testing you as a champion. And by that point, it wasn't being used as it was in the 80s - on a B-card running at the same time as an A-card.
  
  I agree with you about DiBiase, who didn't get either belt but made them a lot of money with his top level feuds. As for Honky Tonk Man, you said he wasn't good but there was no one better. Well, doesn't that make him good at something? Yes, it is called "making money". Again, the whole purpose of the IC belt at the time was to have a main eventer capable of making money with a second level lineup. He was a main eventer with the deck stacked against him and still pulled a shit ton of money in. Hogan wasn't a good wrestler either. He was a character people liked who got all the best stories, but that doesn't change his impact.
  
  I don't disagree about Punk because that was the whole point. He had a little cult following and they put the strap on him without really developing his character. So when he suddenly went from guy who does cool moves to guy who has to carry a show, he wasn't ready for it. All the momentum he was building was undercut because they didn't actually establish him as a championship contender, they just threw the belt on him. They've done that with a few people and it isn't how they used to do things. As a result, I don't think there's as much prestige in the World Title, since you now have 15 guys walking around as former World Champions. Its a fine line because its cool that anyone can beat anyone on a given night, but it also makes title changes less special when they happen.
• Big Red Monster

  Teddy Sr did deserve a run with the title, but Hogan was too much of an ass to let him get it.
• enigmaax

  Big Red Monster wrote: Teddy Sr did deserve a run with the title, but Hogan was too much of an ass to let him get it.

  Yeah, you know Piper once said something like, "without me, there would have never been you," to Hogan. And that's true. There were a couple guys like that who would've probably done well with the belt. I've always wondered if it was less about not wanting to lose to those guys specifically and more about the fact that if one of them had a title, the WWE would've probably had to elevate another face to Hogan's level. A heel champ never would've threatened Hogan's status, but a viable face would have taken his spot.