Food, Inc.

• gorocks99

  

  Watched the documentary a few weeks ago, and have had time to digest (get it?!) it since then.
  
  Has anyone else seen it? What are your thoughts? Puffery, or substance?
  
  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286537/
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food,_Inc.
  
  Personally I've found myself to be more cognizant of where my food comes from. Also, I liked how it wasn't totally a "woe to the animals" movie, and focused a lot on the human element.
• rydawg5

  I really liked it. I got a good perpective on the treatment of animals. I am a pretty conservative person, but I don't think man was supposed to treat chickens that way. I don't think it's even moral. I also liked how they pointed out how much corn syrup is going on It makes you wonder how healthy the things you eat really are.
• Society

  I got a hold of this a while ago. Definitely a good documentary that all should watch, regardless if you are vegetarian or the biggest meat lover.
  
  The actual website for Food Inc. has some great information for those that want to get involved: http://www.foodincmovie.com/
• LJ

  

  look up the meanings to
  Appeal to Nature Fallacy
  and
  Appeal to Emotions fallacy
  
  The chickens, that's gross, that's been going on for a long time and a lot of people want it changed.
  
  The "80% of e-coli leaves a cow's body 1 weeks into eating grass" is 100% false and there is not 1 study that comes anywhere close to that. After we watched the movie Dr J spent hours going through online veterinary journals and databases and could not substantiate that claim.
  
  Also when they claimed the e-coli is spreading to veggies, that strain of e-coli comes from human feces. While that is it's own problem in itself, it's worth noting the lie.
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  Most of the lawsuits were your basic contractual lawsuits, as companies like Frito Lay have been suing over the same thing for years and years (a friend of mine used to be one of the head contract agents with Frito Lay and we discussed Monsanto). Frito Lay would sell you seed to grow for 1 year because it would be forumulated for what they wanted. People would sell to Frito Lay for that year, then clean the seed then try to sell it as their own crop the next year. They sued over this 100's of times.
  
  Those are just a few of my thoughts.
• fortfan

  I have watched it. We try to eat more organic and "healthy" stuff-started before seeing this movie though.
• LJ

  

  rydawg5 wrote: I really liked it. I got a good perpective on the treatment of animals.

  You should see hog farms. I don't know why they didn't go after them if they really wanted to tug at your heart strings on how animals you eat are treated.

  I also liked how they pointed out how much corn syrup is going on It makes you wonder how healthy the things you eat really are.

  Yeah I have never been a fan of all this high fructose crap. I've been trying to cut high fructose heavy foods out for a while now, but it just keeps showing up everywhere!
• LJ

  

  Another point I would like to make is that people need to stop blaming food companies for what they put out. For years and years people wanted better marbled beef, more chicken, cheaper veggies, bigger veggies, cheaper sweet food, etc. etc. Now, people are getting mad at the agri industry for merely producing what people wanted. Don't get all vengeful and vilify the agri industry for providing what the consumer wanted, just vote with your wallet.
• gorocks99

  

  Well yeah, and I think the film tries to make that point when they bring in the Walmart folk toward the end to show that if you DO vote with your wallet, things can change (even at the big evil store). Generally, I agree with you though -- people want cheap, people want big. Naturally, it just doesn't happen that way. Walk into a Whole Foods and you'll notice a big difference in the cost of things. The overarching question for each person to answer is, is it worth it to pay that extra money? Not saying which answer is correct, but I think that's the final question I came to after watching.
• End of Line

  

  It was alright.
• LJ

  

  gorocks99 wrote: Well yeah, and I think the film tries to make that point when they bring in the Walmart folk toward the end to show that if you DO vote with your wallet, things can change (even at the big evil store). Generally, I agree with you though -- people want cheap, people want big. Naturally, it just doesn't happen that way. Walk into a Whole Foods and you'll notice a big difference in the cost of things. The overarching question for each person to answer is, is it worth it to pay that extra money? Not saying which answer is correct, but I think that's the final question I came to after watching.

  Some of it comes down to what you find "humane" too. I've been to big beef production facilities and have been to slaughterhouses, and I don't have a problem with eating that meat after doing a lot of my own research.
  
  Chickens...ehhhh, there is a guy on a local forum trying to sell his "free range" broilers. Has has a bunch of chickens crammed into a 8x10x2 wire pen that he moves daily and is prone to disease.
  
  Like I already said I have been trying to cut the syrup, but that keeps getting harder and harder.
• LJ

  

  Another thing that was disappointing that they never touched on was all the foreign beef that restaurants and discount food chains use.
• Society

  gorocks99 wrote: Well yeah, and I think the film tries to make that point when they bring in the Walmart folk toward the end to show that if you DO vote with your wallet, things can change (even at the big evil store). Generally, I agree with you though -- people want cheap, people want big. Naturally, it just doesn't happen that way. Walk into a Whole Foods and you'll notice a big difference in the cost of things. The overarching question for each person to answer is, is it worth it to pay that extra money? Not saying which answer is correct, but I think that's the final question I came to after watching.

  Yes it is. I have been buying meat from my same local butcher for the past 4 years. Yes, his prices are higher, not by much, but the quality is that much better. For most people, they are not willing to inconvenience themselves from having to drive past Wal-Mart for the better quality.
• Society

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.
• Society

  LJ wrote:

  gorocks99 wrote: Well yeah, and I think the film tries to make that point when they bring in the Walmart folk toward the end to show that if you DO vote with your wallet, things can change (even at the big evil store). Generally, I agree with you though -- people want cheap, people want big. Naturally, it just doesn't happen that way. Walk into a Whole Foods and you'll notice a big difference in the cost of things. The overarching question for each person to answer is, is it worth it to pay that extra money? Not saying which answer is correct, but I think that's the final question I came to after watching.

  Some of it comes down to what you find "humane" too. I've been to big beef production facilities and have been to slaughterhouses, and I don't have a problem with eating that meat after doing a lot of my own research.
  
  Chickens...ehhhh, there is a guy on a local forum trying to sell his "free range" broilers. Has has a bunch of chickens crammed into a 8x10x2 wire pen that he moves daily and is prone to disease.
  
  Like I already said I have been trying to cut the syrup, but that keeps getting harder and harder.

  LJ wrote: Another thing that was disappointing that they never touched on was all the foreign beef that restaurants and discount food chains use.

  In it's own subtle way, you answered your own question. Brilliant!!!
• LJ

  

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.

  
  Please post it then. Actual cases please.
• LJ

  

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  gorocks99 wrote: Well yeah, and I think the film tries to make that point when they bring in the Walmart folk toward the end to show that if you DO vote with your wallet, things can change (even at the big evil store). Generally, I agree with you though -- people want cheap, people want big. Naturally, it just doesn't happen that way. Walk into a Whole Foods and you'll notice a big difference in the cost of things. The overarching question for each person to answer is, is it worth it to pay that extra money? Not saying which answer is correct, but I think that's the final question I came to after watching.

  Some of it comes down to what you find "humane" too. I've been to big beef production facilities and have been to slaughterhouses, and I don't have a problem with eating that meat after doing a lot of my own research.
  
  Chickens...ehhhh, there is a guy on a local forum trying to sell his "free range" broilers. Has has a bunch of chickens crammed into a 8x10x2 wire pen that he moves daily and is prone to disease.
  
  Like I already said I have been trying to cut the syrup, but that keeps getting harder and harder.

  LJ wrote: Another thing that was disappointing that they never touched on was all the foreign beef that restaurants and discount food chains use.

  In it's own subtle way, you answered your own question. Brilliant!!!

  What question? I don't eat very much fast food nor do I buy Wal Mart meat, 2 of the largest buyers of foreign raised and processed meat. What question did I ask and answer?
• LJ

  

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.

  I find it funny that you think I base all my research off of wiki
  
  http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc34/2004scc34.html
  
  What is "Monsanto doing?" I watched the documentary. They are suing people over breaking patent laws and breaking contracts. Lawsuits of the sort have been going on for many years before Monsanto started doing it.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  and again LJ takes a thread about something, and makes it into his own argument
• LJ

  

  DeyDurkie5 wrote: and again LJ takes a thread about something, and makes it into his own argument

  What? Talking about points in the movie then having someone say something that makes no sense is making it my own argument? I'm sorry but you are the one who is trying to take the thread off track. I hate to do this, but you are the first person to be added to my ignore list.
• rydawg5

  LJ wrote:

  DeyDurkie5 wrote: and again LJ takes a thread about something, and makes it into his own argument

  What? Talking about points in the movie then having someone say something that makes no sense is making it my own argument? I'm sorry but you are the one who is trying to take the thread off track. I hate to do this, but you are the first person to be added to my ignore list.

  he gave you no choice.
• Society

  LJ wrote:

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.

  I find it funny that you think I base all my research off of wiki
  
  http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc34/2004scc34.html
  
  What is "Monsanto doing?" I watched the documentary. They are suing people over breaking patent laws and breaking contracts. Lawsuits of the sort have been going on for many years before Monsanto started doing it.

  Please show me where I said that you base ALL of your research off of wiki?
  
  Are you that stupid or just that arrogant? Answer this. Dr. J? Who the fuck is this anyways? Please! What the fuck has she done? Nothing. Please do not quote her in your examples. Congrats on the degree for her. Until she has done extensive research for herself, not just "searching for hours" on the subject, leave her "name" out of the discussion.
• LJ

  

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.

  I find it funny that you think I base all my research off of wiki
  
  http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc34/2004scc34.html
  
  What is "Monsanto doing?" I watched the documentary. They are suing people over breaking patent laws and breaking contracts. Lawsuits of the sort have been going on for many years before Monsanto started doing it.

  Please show me where I said that you base ALL of your research off of wiki?
  
  Are you that stupid or just that arrogant? Answer this. Dr. J? Who the fuck is this anyways? Please! What the fuck has she done? Nothing. Please do not quote her in your examples. Congrats on the degree for her. Until she has done extensive research for herself, not just "searching for hours" on the subject, leave her "name" out of the discussion.

  Hmm. What has she done? 4 years of food animal studies leading to a Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine. She has asked other vets who are world leading in food animal research at The Ohio State University as well as searched Veterinary resources for hours and there is absolutely nothing to substantiate this claim. Go ahead and listen to a movie. You obviously don't care what I have to say, so go ahead and believe anything you want to believe. You are a big boy. Thanks for trying to start and argument. Have a good day.
  
  I'm not going to listen to some unsubstantiated claim that has 0 research to back it up because it was in a anti-agribusiness propagandist movie.
  
  If you want to say she knows nothing, how about you post a source stating otherwise?
• gorocks99

  

  Get yo popcorn ready!
  
  
• LJ

  

  gorocks99 wrote: Get yo popcorn ready!
  
  

  I'm not going to argue with society. If he wants to he can post sources. There is no sense is debating with someone who has watched a movie vs sources in the actual field being talked about.
• Society

  LJ wrote:

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  Society wrote:

  LJ wrote:
  
  The case they claim about Monsanto suing over blowing seeds, the guy purposely sorted out the seeds from his field, cleaned them and planted them the next year. He knew what he was doing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
  
  

  Did you get this information from Mr. Schmeiser himself, or did you come up with this conclusion just by reading wikipedia? I am not going to rehash points brought up in this documentary, but there is plenty of evidence elsewhere against what Monsanto is doing.

  I find it funny that you think I base all my research off of wiki
  
  http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc34/2004scc34.html
  
  What is "Monsanto doing?" I watched the documentary. They are suing people over breaking patent laws and breaking contracts. Lawsuits of the sort have been going on for many years before Monsanto started doing it.

  Please show me where I said that you base ALL of your research off of wiki?
  
  Are you that stupid or just that arrogant? Answer this. Dr. J? Who the fuck is this anyways? Please! What the fuck has she done? Nothing. Please do not quote her in your examples. Congrats on the degree for her. Until she has done extensive research for herself, not just "searching for hours" on the subject, leave her "name" out of the discussion.

  Hmm. What has she done? 4 years of food animal studies leading to a Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine. She has asked other vets who are world leading in food animal research at The Ohio State University as well as searched Veterinary resources for hours and there is absolutely nothing to substantiate this claim. Go ahead and listen to a movie. You obviously don't care what I have to say, so go ahead and believe anything you want to believe. You are a big boy. Thanks for trying to start and argument. Have a good day.
  
  I'm not going to listen to some unsubstantiated claim that has 0 research to back it up because it was in a anti-agribusiness propagandist movie.
  
  If you want to say she knows nothing, how about you post a source stating otherwise?

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